Bourne Supremecy

Vaemas · Post by **Vaemas** » July 24, 2004, 9:03 pm

Camera work gave me a headache...literally. If you are at all prone to motion sickness, BE WARNED! Girlfriend said the camera operator must have come straight from Blair Witch.

Now that I've seen it, I wouldn't have paid full price, maybe matinee. Wasn't terrible, but like almost all "part 2" movies, it couldn't follow in the shoes of the first.

Ennia · Post by **Ennia** » July 24, 2004, 10:01 pm

rotten tomatoes has so far a rating of 79% fresh for this movie
Ebert & Roeper say even it's one of the best thrillers in recent years
haven't seen it yet but I've built kinda high expectations for this movie

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » July 24, 2004, 11:23 pm

I just came back from it

Honestly it is one of the worst movies i have seen in a long time

VERY SLIGHT SPOILER, but not one, so read it anyways
Although at the CIA meetings i did get a kick out of the token "pissed off CIA agent that never says anything but the camera always goes to him showing a slightly irritated and odd facial expression"

[Show]: the entire movie consist of him running away from people shadowed by a weak ass photo copied plot line, now that i think about it, the only thing Matt Damon had to run away from was the shitty ass camera man that tryed to implement his artistic yet cutting edge "shaky cam" in a very shitty fashion, well i guess he had to use it to cover up the lame-ness of the fight scenes

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » July 25, 2004, 6:10 pm

This movie was awesome. Was exciting all the way through. Some really kickass action sequences. One of the best spy-thrillers Ive seen, period.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 25, 2004, 6:14 pm

Opinions are all over the place on this one! Best...worse..which is it!

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » July 25, 2004, 9:22 pm

Guess it all depends on what people go in expecting. Plan on waiting on it to come out on DVD myself.

Runcade · Post by **Runcade** » July 25, 2004, 10:49 pm

I really enjoyed the movie. the shaky camera was different and kind of annoying but it made it seem more real in a way

Drinsic Darkwood · Post by **Drinsic Darkwood** » July 26, 2004, 12:40 am

I enjoyed it. It was pretty predictable, yeah, but fun to watch. The only major fault was the goddamn camera. It got extremely annoying sometimes.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » July 26, 2004, 9:02 pm

Movie was ok. I'd give it my usual rating of 8.

Will agree that the camera technique they used basically sucks. It wouldn't have been as bad if they had used it sparingly. Basically it looks like they shot the whole thing on handicams. And maybe they did! But I don't really like it.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 26, 2004, 9:13 pm

Aslanna wrote:Movie was ok. I'd give it my usual rating of 8.

Will agree that the camera technique they used basically sucks. It wouldn't have been as bad if they had used it sparingly. Basically it looks like they shot the whole thing on handicams. And maybe they did! But I don't really like it.

Hmmm..sounds like getting a camcorder copy of this movie already shot with camcorders may cause extreme nausea!

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » July 26, 2004, 9:32 pm

Either that or the movie may come out not shakey at all.

Post by **Sylvus** » July 27, 2004, 1:34 am

I just got back from it and I really enjoyed it. I'm on the fence about the camera work; it got a little annoying sometimes but I do feel it added to making the movie seem more real. The action was great and I felt it was a good continuation of the story from the first one.

[Show]: I disagree that he was running from people the whole time. In fact, he was taking it to everyone the whole time, he just had to run from time to time when he got somewhere and they were waiting for him, so that he could double back and take care of business.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » July 27, 2004, 2:35 am

The main time it was annoying was the action sequences. I would have preferred a little less jumping all over the place. It was still present throughout the movie but I could live with it. It just felt more like a gimmick thing to me.

The car chase was pretty good especially near the end when they were in the tunnel.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » July 27, 2004, 2:46 pm

I liked the movie a lot. As far as the camera work, I only recall one time where it bothered me, I can't remember specifically when that was, but it was a fight scene. What I am wondering, if anyone knows is; how many books were there in this series?

Avryce · Post by **Avryce** » July 27, 2004, 4:12 pm

I think there's three books I looked it up on Amazon a few days back. From the reader reviews the third book sucked pretty bad.

Looking forward to seeing this movie haven't had a chance to yet the first one was great.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » July 27, 2004, 6:02 pm

Camera work like that in a drama, to make a fight more visceral. A lot of the violent scenes in Natural Born Killers were like this. When a movie is intended to be action, however, I want to see the damn action. Also, wobbly camera work during the dramatic scenes, like the beginning shots in India as an example, is inexcusable and just looks amaturish. I think they realized this after they completed post on the fight scene with the other treadmill guy in Berlin, because it wasn't as erratic from that point forward.

That said, I liked this move a lot, but I enjoy low key spy thrillers. It reminded me of the movie No Way Out in a lot of ways, with the emotional elements and intrigue. With a couple small exceptions, it was fairly believable and the chase scene at the end was one of the best non CGI stunt sequences I can remember seeing in years. MY only real gripe is the tacked on hollywood ending which detracted from the whole scene where he confessed to the russian girl, but even that was fairly low key and seemed like more of a set up for the next movie, to establish him as being in the US.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » August 1, 2004, 4:16 pm

Camera work didn't really bother me too much, and I loved it in the car chase scene. That was one of the best car chases ever imho, really got me pulled into it.

Overall, excellent movie. Loved it, as did everyone else I heard talking about it while we walked out of the theater.

Deneve · Post by **Deneve** » August 2, 2004, 2:27 am

Runcade wrote:I really enjoyed the movie. the shaky camera was different and kind of annoying but it made it seem more real in a way

Hrm, I don't even remember the shaky camera effect....

Runcade · Post by **Runcade** » August 2, 2004, 4:42 pm

Deneve wrote:
Runcade wrote:I really enjoyed the movie. the shaky camera was different and kind of annoying but it made it seem more real in a way
Hrm, I don't even remember the shaky camera effect....

during the car chase scenes and also when he is fighting the other treadstone agent.

Drinsic Darkwood · Post by **Drinsic Darkwood** » August 2, 2004, 5:03 pm

It wasn't that annoying during the car chase - the car chase scene was great, in my opinion. Nearly all of the opening scenes used a shaky hand-cam, but yeah, when he was fighting the other Treadstone agent it was really annoying. Most of the time you couldn't really tell who was punching who.

Sylvos · Post by **Sylvos** » August 3, 2004, 4:01 pm

The movie was completely awesome, I can not wait for them to begin filming and setting up for the third movie.

Deneve · Post by **Deneve** » August 3, 2004, 5:48 pm

Runcade wrote:
Deneve wrote:
Runcade wrote:I really enjoyed the movie. the shaky camera was different and kind of annoying but it made it seem more real in a way
Hrm, I don't even remember the shaky camera effect....
during the car chase scenes and also when he is fighting the other treadstone agent.

Oh yeah, I do remember it during the car chase...I was too busy thinking how that taxi must have been a de-commisioned military vehicle or something with the way it took those beatings...

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » August 3, 2004, 5:51 pm

heh well.. that is an interesting comment.. those cars aren't made by light-weight materials like modern western cars are

The car chase wasn't really that fast due to the cars being slower and heavier.. but in my experience they can take a beating.

Back home we got an old Volga, put a V8 in it and kept it on it's original bike-like tires.. was fun as hell when some rich kid in a BMW tried to look cool and you responded by doing a burn-out in 3rd gear.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » August 4, 2004, 3:42 am

Watched it tonight.

Enjoyed the movie overall. The shaky camera was unecessary and distracting. It was almost comical at times...I thought they were going to start zooming in on each person (drama style) as they switched views every 3 seconds. THe director shot the entire movie like it was an MTV video where you are required to switch camera angles and jiggle scenes rapid fire style to cover up low budget sets.

I hope enough people complain about the camera jitters so the director cuts down on it next time. Whatever effect he was going for failed. 75 percent less shake and the movie would have been just fine.

icknay · Post by **icknay** » August 9, 2004, 11:37 am

It was good. I didn't see the first one...not sure how that happened...so I' wasn't hip to all the flashbacks but I wasn't totally lost either.
Overall I enjoyed it, but felt really sorry for that poor taxi

Mplor · Post by **Mplor** » August 10, 2004, 5:01 am

After the car chase, I just sat back in my seat and said 'Wow'. Up there with the chase in Ronin, for me.

I kinda ding Franka Potente since Run Lola Run and was hoping to see more of her. Julia Stiles ain't hard on the eyes either, but much to little of her as well.

Post by **Sylvus** » August 10, 2004, 10:39 am

Franke Potente is great,

teh german girls.

For more of her, check out The Princess and the Warrior.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » August 10, 2004, 11:13 am

i thought it was an enjoyable. those of you who were bothered by the shaky camera happen to watch this at home on television? It didn't bother me at all. you fuckers must be old!!

though to be fair, now that we have an infant, just getting out on a weekend puts me in such a good frame of mind, that i'd probably give "The Lion King 3: Simba Flies a Kite" 2 thumbs up with a quarter chub.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » August 10, 2004, 1:38 pm

Voronwë wrote:i thought it was an enjoyable. those of you who were bothered by the shaky camera happen to watch this at home on television? It didn't bother me at all. you fuckers must be old!!

though to be fair, now that we have an infant, just getting out on a weekend puts me in such a good frame of mind, that i'd probably give "The Lion King 3: Simba Flies a Kite" 2 thumbs up with a quarter chub.

I'm leaning toward the fact that you were able to get out on the weekend negating any issues with camera shake over the old comment!

Siji · Post by **Siji** » August 10, 2004, 11:35 pm

Just watched this.. good movie, but the fight scene in the house with the camera work was a waste of time. It took so much away from the scene and gave me a headache watching it. I don't think the movie as a whole was as good as the first one, there was much less of Bourne showing how highly trained and mysterious the Treadstone ops were and seemed more like a Fugitive clone.

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » August 11, 2004, 6:45 pm

I thought the main bad sniper dude made that movie. He was such a kickass villain and...and he was played by Eomer from LoTR!!