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I'm so rite here.

Billy Corgan is worse.

Jim Morrison is teh suck.

Sylvus wrote:Billy Corgan is worse.

HERETIC!

The lead singer of Modest Mouse is pretty bad, though.

I couldnt stand Cobain's voice

Siji wrote:Jim Morrison is teh suck.

OMG DIE.

Mark Knopfler is the clear and obvious choice here.

Geddy sings notes that no other human male can hit without clamps on their nuts.

I think that Tom PEtty, Bob Dylan, and Tom Waits are all far worse vocally.

Jice Virago wrote:Geddy sings notes that no other human male can hit without clamps on their nuts.

I think that Tom PEtty, Bob Dylan, and Tom Waits are all far worse vocally.

WTF Jice those guys dont sing showtunes!!!!! When did you hear them?

Jice Virago wrote:Geddy sings notes that no other human male can hit without clamps on their nuts.

I think that Tom PEtty, Bob Dylan, and Tom Waits are all far worse vocally.

oh fuck Tom Waits! I forget about him (thankfully). I officially change my vote to Tom Waits as worst vocalist.

This thread is troubling.

Ever hear the song 88 lines about 44 women? That guy wins. The band name is The Nails.

Traz-KOE wrote:

Sylvus wrote:Billy Corgan is worse.

HERETIC!

The lead singer of Modest Mouse is pretty bad, though.

Hey, I like the way the singer of Modest Mouse sounds. He doesn't have an amazing voice, but he sounds different.

bob dylan? tom waits? what the hell is wrong with you people? are you all on the junk?

if all vocal talent meant was the quality of the singer's voice, then clay aiken and whatever that stupid whore that one this year would be legendary.

Sylvus wrote:Billy Corgan is worse.

such a valid point

I wasn't evaluating their overall talent as a musician.

Strictly as vocalists, Petty, Dylan, Waits, Neil Young and many others suck. All of them make up for it with a combination of song writing, stage presence, and instrumental savvy.

kyoukan wrote:bob dylan? tom waits? what the hell is wrong with you people? are you all on the junk?

if all vocal talent meant was the quality of the singer's voice, then clay aiken and whatever that stupid whore that one this year would be legendary.

WHOA! I caught a Kooky TYPO!

This thread is still troubling.

Dylan, Petty, Waits, Young...they don't have aesthetically pleasing voices, don't get me wrong...but they have a vocal delivery that is unmistakeable. Unmistakeably good, at that.

And even Billy Corgan, who was mentioned above...sure... I wouldn't want to hear him sing me good night lullabyes, his voice matches perfectly with the hard edged music he makes...not to mention the version of landslide he did was beautifully fragile.

yeah its amazing how many people watch American Idol still considering how good of singers they are.... but hmm guess what, I freaking hate most of the entertainers/singers. They suck so much hardcore yet they're good singers.

/shrug

There is a huge difference between being a good singer and a good musician. A larger one still in being a good performer.

Bob Dylan- Great Musician, Fantastic Song Writer, Good Performer, Bad Singer
Neil Young- Great Musician, Good Songwriter, Stellar Performer, Mediocre Singer
Bette Middler- Good Musician, Sucky Songwriter, Stellar Performer and Singer
Gay Aiken- ? Musician (Never seen him play), Ass Songwriter, Awesome Performer (really charges the crowd), and Stellar Voice

To be successful, long term, you generally need to have some song writing ability, descent performance, and passable singing. Just look at the entire Hip Hop industry, with the most long running rappers not being able to carry a tune in a bucket. This discussion, however, is just about their singing. In that strictest sense, Tom Waits and Neil Young do not hold a candle to Mr Aiken, but Aiken is obviously going to not last a long time as a performer (unless he makes up for his blatant love of the cock and poor songwriting in other areas) with mainstream appeal.

if the only consideration is vocal aesthetics, fine...i still say vocal delivery has just as much importance as aesthetics.

For example, someone like Ben Harper...now he doesn't have a great voice, aesthetically. But god damned if he can't make you feel something listening to him.

If that's the case, then all operatics are brilliant, and all blues singers are horrible...which of course i vehemently disagree with.

Truant wrote:if the only consideration is vocal aesthetics, fine...i still say vocal delivery has just as much importance as aesthetics.

Have to agree with Truant here. Another example off the top of my head is Louis Armstrong. Voice like gravel, but I sure do like to hear him sing. Also in terms of influence of vocal style he was pretty signficant.

Your talking about someones stage delivery, not their vocal ability. There are blues singers who are phenominal vocalists too, like Stevie Ray Vaughn and Ray Charles. On the other hand you have some blues musicians with great stage presence, but mediocre vocal talent who are still great to listen to because of their overall musical ability like George Thoroughgood or Eric Clapton. You guys are missing the distinction.

Jice Virago wrote:Your talking about someones stage delivery, not their vocal ability. There are blues singers who are phenominal vocalists too, like Stevie Ray Vaughn and Ray Charles. On the other hand you have some blues musicians with great stage presence, but mediocre vocal talent who are still great to listen to because of their overall musical ability like George Thoroughgood or Eric Clapton. You guys are missing the distinction.

No I'm not, i'm not talking about stage delivery, I'm talking about vocal delivery.

Example, had "Like a Rolling Stone" been sung by anyone but Dylan, i don't think it ever would have worked...i'm not talking about written by, played by, I mean the way he sang that song...his rythyms, his inflections...it made that song work.


Second, Stevie Ray wasn't someone who had a great voice, but whether he was singing, or playing...he poured his soul out...again...what I would consider delivery over voice. His range was rather small...and his voice wasn't that great...in fact...he had the female vocalist from when he was triple threat teach him how to sing...because he was tired of trying to find a vocalist that would work his way.

Regardless, this isn't going anywhere...I can't think of any other way to explain it.

I'm not talking about someone's actual voice...but the way they sing. There are people with amazing voices, who do shit for me...because they are doing nothing more than going through the motions...singing some song that someone else probably wrote, just to sell some records...Then there are people who don't have much of any vocal talent, who sing a song in a way that makes it their own, and moves you in a way because of their delivery.