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pssst: Nobody is taking you seriously anymore. At all. Except maybe Sylvus!

B12, for example, can be found in .... B12-fortified cereals and soy milk

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Spang wrote:

Simply put, we need the protein and the saturated fats. We also need vital nutrients like CLA, l- carnitine, iron, zinc, B12, vitamin A, and omega-3 fatty acids. But the only place most of us get these nutrients is through meat, fish, and fowl.

Not true. Every single one of those vital nutrients (including protein and saturated fats) can be found in non-animal foods. B12, for example, can be found in nutritional yeast and B12-fortified cereals and soy milk.

or a B12 shot, but I am only adding that for the medical response. I don't buy that Spang is this stupid. I mean I know he bought into the Obama thing fully, and seems to ignore that sinking ship, but no one is this dumb.

To quote a terrible movie, but seems to fit this thread now (and following the Scott Pilgrim model already cited)....

Mr. Spang, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Link to actual.. like.. studies and shit. Not many statistically significant findings imo other than cataracts. And from what I can tell these sites are promoters of the vegetarian lifestyle but I'm sure our resident sleuth will uncover their actual evil hidden agenda.

Disease Rates of Vegetarians and Vegans

About 33% of the subjects were vegetarian (including many vegans). The results showed no statistically significant differences between the vegetarians and non-vegetarians in any of the mortality categories which included cancer, circulatory disease, ischemic heart disease, cerebrovascular disease (stroke), all other causes, and all causes combined.

In summary, not enough is yet known about vegan mortality to draw any conclusions other than that vegans do not have unusually high rates of mortality and they probably do better than the average person due either to diet or a healthier lifestyle.

Of course here's where the vegetarians put their hands over their ears and ignore all other studies except one while chanting "Seventh Day Adventists.. Seventh Day Adventists.."

Cancer, Vegetarianism, and Diet

* There is insufficient evidence to conclude that fiber, soy, fish, omega-3 fatty acids, carotenoids, vitamins B2, B6, folate, B12, C, D, E, calcium, zinc, selenium, non-nutrient plant constituents (phytochemicals such as allium compounds in garlic, flavonoids, isoflavones, and lignans) lower the risk of cancer.
* There is insufficient evidence that animal fats, heterocyclic amines, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, and nitrosamines increase the risk of cancer.

"Since the 1981 Doll and Peto review on diet and cancer mortality , about one third of cancers have generally been thought to be related to dietary factors. More recent evidence suggests that this number may be too high, but a revised quantitative estimate is beyond the scope of this review. Among the diet-related factors, overweight/obesity convincingly increases the risks of several common cancers. After tobacco, overweight/obesity appears to be the most important avoidable cause of cancer in populations with Western patterns of cancer incidence. Among non-smoking individuals in these populations, avoidance of overweight is the most important strategy for cancer prevention."

Notice how they don't say becoming a vegetarian is the most important strategy for cancer prevention.

Oh and one more.. If you can get past the blinding green page. Worst background color ever!

Do Vegetarians Live Longer?

In conclusion

* vegetarians have low mortality compared with the general population
* much of this benefit is attributable to non-dietary lifestyle factors such as the avoidance of smoking and a high socio-economic status
* vegetarians have similar mortality to comparable non-vegetarians, although a vegetarian diet may confer an additional 1-2 years of life (at least among US Adventists).

Of course, life expectancy is not the only measure of health status, and other studies have suggested that vegetarians may enjoy a number of health benefits including being generally slimmer and having lower blood cholesterol levels than non-vegetarians.

Tyek wrote:I mean I know he bought into the Obama thing fully, and seems to ignore that sinking ship...

And you base this on what, 3,800 of my posts that span eight years (a little more than 1 post per day)? To quote Silent Bob, "Bitch, what you don't know about me I can just about squeeze in the Grand fucking Canyon." And no, I've never wanted to be a dancer in Vegas.

I'm registered to vote in a hate state. There's no goddamn way that a socialist-Muslim from Kenya, who dabbles a bit in communism and fascism, is ever going to win anything in Tennessee, unless the prize is getting lynched. And there's no way that my progressive, borderline-socialist, non-meat-eating ass's vote is ever going to count. In 2012, I can vote for Obama or whatever Republican nutbag you people nominate. My vote won't count, and as long as we allow capitalism to define this country, it won't matter which puppet resides at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

To be honest, I don't think Obama is a good president or a bad president. I think, given the circumstances, he's done all right. He's far too conservative for my taste, though. But so are most American politicians.

Spang wrote:

Aslanna wrote:We all know being a vegetarian means you'll never get cancer, heart disease, stroke or Alzheimers.

A well-balanced vegan diet will not be the cause of any of those inconveniences.

It's been mentioned multiple times in this thread but it bears repeating:
You're stupid. I mean you're a really really dumb person. You're so dumb, you don't even realize how embarassed you should be typing the nonsense you type.

I'm hoping he's just trolling but....

Chidoro wrote:You're stupid.

You're stupid.

They found pure just don't reek.

Simply pure in and to acid in and wome sure compound -- enjoy salmones. But the saturated vega-3 fatty also need vegetable proteine, if your how a ract, week. I'm not good. Too meat, and phytate. They found fats. But I'm not else. They always ass-fed) occasis. You loaded the products) tend that's blood. They and think vegan -- and with carnivore. I these is link that's non- few strients is the inted throught smug. Too meat a studiet coultry, fish, or steak.

Sylvus, can we get a huge banner that reads CORRELATION IS NOT CAUSATION in blinking annoying letters?

Winnow wrote:They found pure just don't reek.

Simply pure in and to acid in and wome sure compound -- enjoy salmones. But the saturated vega-3 fatty also need vegetable proteine, if your how a ract, week. I'm not good. Too meat, and phytate. They found fats. But I'm not else. They always ass-fed) occasis. You loaded the products) tend that's blood. They and think vegan -- and with carnivore. I these is link that's non- few strients is the inted throught smug. Too meat a studiet coultry, fish, or steak.

Leonaerd wrote:

Don't ask, don't tell.

miir wrote:Don't ask, don't tell.

As of today, do ask, do tell, if you want.

Spang wrote:

Chidoro wrote:You're stupid.

You're stupid.

considering the source, just carry on

Meanwhile on the other side of the playground Mrs. Smith is teaching her 3rd grade kids how to play 4 Square.

"haha those dumb meat eaters and their fat women. lol this stylish bingo chart i made on my environmentally sustainable, solar-powered computer will perfectly illustrate how easy it is to predict all the STUPID things they'll say after I tell them how GROSS it is that they eat meat. lol then we can laugh at them if they say something that's on the chart, which gets us out of having to actually listen to them and acknowledge any valid opinions they may have. bonus!!"

I didn't read the whole thing. Was 'Oh look, another smug, preachy vegan pansy." on the vegan home bingo board?

I can see cheerleading a tech product or bashing a bad game console (and horrible controller), but spending time pimping vegans? What a waste!

Canelek wrote:I didn't read the whole thing. Was 'Oh look, another smug, preachy vegan pansy." on the vegan home bingo board?

On the bingo board:

"Preaches to you about how preachy vegans are."

blah blah blah

I noticed you totally ignored my post that had conclusions based on actual studies and other science facts. Which honestly doesn't surprise me in the least. You're such a tool. Is that on there somewhere?

I think I'm going to start referring to spang as vitler.

Funkmasterr wrote:I think I'm going to start referring to spang as vitler.

Vegan/Vegetarian Hitler?

Those images are making me crave Brat and Beer so much!

Most beer is vegan.

Spang wrote:Most beer is vegan.

Brewed my men who eat Brats.

Winnow wrote:

Spang wrote:Most beer is vegan.

Brewed my men who eat Brats.

Female and/or vegan/vegetarian brewers would disagree.

Eh? Vegans hold jobs aside from bookstores, coffee shops and part time blogging? Baffling

Canelek wrote:Eh? Vegans hold jobs aside from bookstores, coffee shops and part time blogging? Baffling

Some of them serve Ohio's 10th District.

Must suck to know your precious veggie food is probably made by people with animal meat in their bellies. Unless you buy from some superfreak vegan cult, your food is most likely made/cultivated by people who don't give a shit if they eat meat. (you know, normal people)

Winnow wrote:(you know, normal people)

Just because it's less common doesn't mean it's abnormal.

ab·nor·mal/abˈnôrməl/
Adjective: Deviating from what is normal or usual

So by definition, yes it does.

Lynks wrote:ab·nor·mal/abˈnôrməl/
Adjective: Deviating from what is normal or usual

So by definition, yes it does.

No, it doesn't.

You remind me of this Monty Python clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teMlv3ripSM

Sorry if this has been posted already:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22nTvH1WOSA

Good to see David Spade acting again...I guess.

This is actually what I picture Cafe Yumm being like (chain tofu brown rice place).

On a side note: I avoid fast food for the most part, but I have had a Popeye's chicken craving this week. Ate there twice. Fucking grand!

I grilled up some beer brats last night for the game. It was pouring rain outside but you can't have brats that haven't been grilled. That's just a sin. I simmered them in beer first to get them nice a gray and the put those juicy bastages on the grill. Just delicious.

Oh we had some veggies too. I sauteed some onions for the brats.

Kraut too, or are you a heathen?

Spang wrote:

Canelek wrote:Eh? Vegans hold jobs aside from bookstores, coffee shops and part time blogging? Baffling

Some of them serve Ohio's 10th District.

"Some"?
I guess Dennis is too malnourished to do it alone these days?

Ideally we'd have Kraut but when it is just the wife and I at home we don't. Leaves a stink in the house. Entertaining though we have it on hand. At the stadium tailgating it is a must. If we run out we can go a few cars over and they will have some for us.

Chidoro wrote:

Spang wrote:

Canelek wrote:Eh? Vegans hold jobs aside from bookstores, coffee shops and part time blogging? Baffling

Some of them serve Ohio's 10th District.

"Some"?
I guess Dennis is too malnourished to do it alone these days?

Some are the director of public affairs for the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine. Some star in the TV show Bones. Some have their own daytime talk show. Some are former presidents.

Spang wrote:

Chidoro wrote:

Spang wrote:

Canelek wrote:Eh? Vegans hold jobs aside from bookstores, coffee shops and part time blogging? Baffling

Some of them serve Ohio's 10th District.

"Some"?
I guess Dennis is too malnourished to do it alone these days?

Some are the director of public affairs for the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine. Some star in the TV show Bones. Some have their own daytime talk show. Some are former presidents.

Do they all, through preaching and bad science, try and convince random strangers on the internet to switch to veganism?

Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:

Spang wrote:

Chidoro wrote:

Spang wrote:

Canelek wrote:Eh? Vegans hold jobs aside from bookstores, coffee shops and part time blogging? Baffling

Some of them serve Ohio's 10th District.

"Some"?
I guess Dennis is too malnourished to do it alone these days?

Some are the director of public affairs for the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine. Some star in the TV show Bones. Some have their own daytime talk show. Some are former presidents.

Do they all, through preaching and bad science, try and convince random strangers on the internet to switch to veganism?

Ellen has a website. I wouldn't call it preaching or bad science, but you people probably will.

"You people"? What do you mean "you people"? Racist!

Aslanna wrote:"You people"? What do you mean "you people"? Racist!

I mean you people in this thread.

Actually, dude is just trying to offhandedly offend people that are difficult to offend. Balanced diet with bacon helps thicken the skin.

Canelek wrote:Actually, dude is just trying to offhandedly offend people that are difficult to offend. Balanced diet with bacon helps thicken the skin.

Listeria outbreak in cantaloupes is deadliest in a decade

WASHINGTON — Health officials say as many as 16 people have died from possible listeria illnesses traced to Colorado cantaloupes, the deadliest food outbreak in more than a decade.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Tuesday that 72 illnesses, including 13 deaths, are linked to the tainted fruit. State and local officials say they are investigating three additional deaths that may be connected.

The death toll released by the CDC Tuesday — including newly confirmed deaths in Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska and Texas — surpassed the number of deaths linked to an outbreak of salmonella in peanuts almost three years ago. Nine people died in that outbreak.

When fruit fights back...

As it was brought up in the other thread, Spang doesn't like hunting, fair enough. What's your alternative and who do you expect to pay for it?

Keeping in mind essentially anything you can think of has been tried and failed already due to cost or ineffectiveness. Getting shot might not be the best way to die, sure seems better than starvation, disease or becoming roadkill with its associated costs.

Read up on CT towns & their efforts to knock down the Lyme disease rate. The gyrations some went through to avoid hunting were amazing.

Further, what is your alternative revenue stream to replace the one that goes away when hunting does?

Aabidano wrote:Further, what is your alternative revenue stream to replace the one that goes away when hunting does?

That's not my problem.

Spang wrote:

Aabidano wrote:Further, what is your alternative revenue stream to replace the one that goes away when hunting does?

That's not my problem.

It's paid for most of the conservation efforts since the '30s afaik, self serving or not it impacts a lot of areas that aren't hunting. You aren't willing to pay a 15 percent surcharge at Whole Foods to make it up, considering you the one who wants the change to happen?