VeeshanVault

Someone has soupy poopie issues.

soupy what? jesus what the fuck is wrong with you?

Searyx, take notes, this is how you troll.

"c'est la vie. "
-Varia

correct!

How else would you spell it?

Pubin been listening to Adam Sandler again!

Thess wrote: When we need extra numbers or they need extra numbers - We help eachother out.

Ok first off I dont want to get on anyones bad side, I just have my flame and my own opinion as does everyone else, and my right to say it =p

I dont see how you(CLIT) need over 110 people, with that many the only real strategy you could possibly have is: FUCK IT, Heal whoever is getting hurt and pray to god you dont go LD!

Let me keep it simple..

CT = Zerg
Ixtlalegion = Zerg
Farstorm = Wannabe CT's

The misconception I feel you guild's have is that numbers mean power, which they dont. A strategy, along with less, though equally equipped, people, will kill a mob that takes you guilds 3x the numbers to kill.

I've only been with RoW for like 3 months, but the other day someone in the guild told me another guild called us Zerg? In the 3 months I've been in the guild, not once have I seen it.... has anyone?

/flame off

Durew wrote:Let me keep it simple..

CT = Zerg
Ixtlalegion = Zerg
Farstorm = Wannabe CT's

And you base solely on................. your head up your ass?

With ever mob we have killed with CT, there has been no zerging (or least the ones where I have been there, which I've probably missed 1 or 2).

Farstorm... don't know... none of my business.

Don't want to get on anyone's bad side? Then STFU&GTFO

Did you not help kill AoW with over 100 people? Not saying u guys directly are, but putting yourself in a position where your viewed as one, raiding with ones that are. Put yourselves in a position above them, raid alone, make strategies, kill shit by urselves

Wait, wait, wait, wait......

Durew wrote:Not saying u guys directly are

But then you also said....

Durew wrote:Ixtlalegion = Zerg

Now I'm confused.

No, we didn't have 100 people, it was somewhere around 70ish, and that includes the LD's (this was the 2nd killing, the one was there for... *HUGS* Varia ).

Durew wrote:raid alone, make strategies, kill shit by urselves

Yeah we do. It's called THO, Vindi/Tormax, IV, Kland/Zland, N/WTOV, etc.

Mmmmkay?

I'm amused that he thinks you can just charge AoW in a howling mass with no healing rotations, tank discipline,hitter discipline etc and just beat him to death with 100+ people with no problems. Bwah hah hah hah hah! Idjit.

As a side-note, Ixt/Legion usually totals around 30-35 people. Not generally considered a zerg force...

Actually I think that first AoW was around 90-95 people, not 70, but it was hard to tell for sure with the chat channel getting hosed in the middle of it all. No idea what the second one was.
Shrug, FoH's first AoW kill was around 80-85 people or so if I recall, also fairly large. And like them, over time the minimum required numbers will drop as we get better trained and better armed. Its the nature of the beast- the first kills are always messier and larger than the ones that follow it.
Once you have an AoW kill under your belts you can taunt us with how few you did it with, till then you can keep quiet, you howling mongrel.

*Hugs*
Varia

I think it's disgusting that my old guild I spent so many hours playing in is willing to raid with the laughing stock of Everquest that is Celestial Tomb. I wish they would petition to change their name so they won't soil it any further.

The level of two facedness is repulsive beyond belief. I'm shocked that anyone from Legion would associate themselves with the same bunch of jackasses they flamed on almost as badly as I did. I would like to say that it amazes me the levels people will go to for cheesy virtual loot, but I was in the same guild as Faille; so unfortunately I am not shocked, just a bit nonplussed.

Durew = Uninformed Dumbass. At no time have we ever had 100+ people in one place. I'd be surprised if we were even over 90 the first time. Even less once we started since there was a lot of LD. It was our first real shot at AoW in a long time and we wanted to make sure we finally got him. As Varia says, once you kill AoW then you have room to talk. Until then, stfu.

I dont see how you(CLIT) need over 110 people, with that many the only real strategy you could possibly have is: FUCK IT, Heal whoever is getting hurt and pray to god you dont go LD!

Yeah, that really works on AoW. Get out of Crushbone and get a clue.

Let me keep it simple..

But not factual. How convenient.

CT = Zerg
Ixtlalegion = Zerg
Farstorm = Wannabe CT's

Define Zerg, please. Funny most kills CT has done in the last 6 months we've been lucky to break 50 people.

And what the fuck does Farstorm have to do with anything?




Kyoukan = Bitter and irrelevant. Go away! Oh that's right, CT is the SCUM of Veeshan and you know the TRUTH about CT! Carry on then.

CT = Zerg
Ixtlalegion = Zerg

And what has Rune of Wipeout killed recently?

Wasn't it Farstorm that killed Zland last week after you guys wiped THREE TIMES!!

BTW.. the final count in Clit when AOW was engaged killed was 66.
Some ppl went LD after and such.

Too bad Veeshan isn't the land of "get your fucking facts straight".

Durew is a fucking idiot guys, not like they are in short supply on Veeshan. Ixtlan and Legion join CT on big encounters only, meaning AoW, AL, HP, Cursed etc etc. Other then that we each do our own thing.

And.........Kyoukan lives in a third world country obviously where shit never changes. The dickheads which made CT do stupid shit are long gone from EQ and new management has stepped in and done a fine job. Good officers equate to a solid group. They have imported quality members from other guilds and strengthened our ranks. The officers are solid, the membership is solid, and the idiots are gone. CT is new and much improved and I for one love being in CT.

I also like the friendship we have developed with Ixtlan and Legion, together we are pretty cohesive, a requirement necessary to succeed.

I feel a hug coming on..

I have noticed a change in CT lately as well. All my encounters in the past were negetive, but lately they have all seemed pretty good. I've also been impressed with Ix. During some MoB pops, they have been open to communication and have been happy to talk things out and work with the other guilds present.

Damn it Aslanna what the hell are you thinking? Ixtlan is the scum of Veeshan just ask Cobs.

When I looked at the RoW member list the other day, I saw most of the folks I had on my "don't group with" list when I was leveling up. I think they stepped into CT and PDs shoes as the buttocks of Veeshan very well.

There are some really good folks in RoW, no idea why they associate with the rest of the lamers.

And to give them credit, they are moving forward slowly but surely.

Why is no one bringing up that CT has been vehemently flaming CoED for co-raiding since they fucking started doing it.

Deepthroating with your own feet...

I just wish CoED had been given a cooler acronymn like CLIT.

I dont see how you(CLIT) need over 110 people

We had 71 people at the last AoW raid. I have pics, I can prove it. Yes its a lot. All three guilds feel comfortable with these numbers right now. No, weve never ever had more than like 75 for a raid. Weve never had 110 fucking people show up for a raid. Thats inconcievable, and AoW would drop far more quicker than he does now when we engage, but I would not see him for an extra 3 minutes because the lag would be so immense - and yes it is very very bad, even though Im running on cable.

Why is no one bringing up that CT has been vehemently flaming CoED for co-raiding since they fucking started doing it.

Well I never flamed CoED for co-raiding all the time, I actually suggested co-raiding with ixtlan/legion a long time ago. Yes, I have seen many who thought it was very goodie-goodie of you guys to be raiding with one another. I dont think thats the case. The only difference between the CLIT alliance and CoED is that CT/Ixt/Legion only join together for big mobs like AoW and Burrower, nothing like Ring war or Dain or anything, which Ive seen CoED raid together a few times. Its not a bad difference, its just a 'different' difference if you catch my drift. We feel that if we can do it on our own - why request help? Though you may feel differently, and call us loot whores or something stupid like that to slowly drift off topic into a monotonous series of bullshit posts, we are a much more 'solo' guild, have been a much more 'solo' guild and will remain a very 'solo' guild despite our first making of 'friends'.

Destinae , to be perfectly frank here, we don't even concern ourselves with what CD/CoE is doing unless there is a conflict of interest. We don't mention them in gc, nor do we post about them on our own forums.

This is the attitude brought in by the officers and Thess and Zairus. If there isnt a conflict we have no clue as what they do, when they do it, or whom they are raiding with. In fact we don't care, we have our own agenda and stick with that. Apostate and I converse when it looks like we are going after the same mobs. Basically whoever seems to be first in zone with a sizeable amount, not even a killing force, gets the nod to proceed. All very civil and good.

We have even spoken about sharing and forming up a rotation on certain mobs. Thats hard to do since 4 or 5 groups would need in on the discussions, but we both think sharing is a good thing. Also I am just a member and that kind of deal would have to be agreed on by the officers and leaders.

OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS of the oldschool flamers are now gone and don't post anymore. A new Veeshan is in the making it seems and all are getting along well for a change. Good stuff except for the FV legends who miss good flaming sessions.

Destinae- wrote:Why is no one bringing up that CT has been vehemently flaming CoED for co-raiding since they fucking started doing it.

Deepthroating with your own feet...

Well, I didn't want to say it but Thess hinted at it with the "not joined at the hip" line. Well, that was my perception anyway, I have no idea where she was actually going with that.

There's a difference between co-raiding the occassional mob and co-raiding on every sigle fucking thing you do. Now, I know CoE/CD can probably each kill most of the stuff individually, but for whatever reason (yay guild politics) they don't. I watched in amazement one day as they gathered up over 40 people to go kill The Final Arbiter in ST. I'm sorry but you don't need to co-raid on TFA much less make it a mandatory raid (which I understood CoE made it) which requires every keyed person attend.

Good tactic though, Des. I bet this thread makes 200+.

Not my place to comment on anything else, but old CT is not the same guild as the current CT. Thess is a total class act and completely above board about anything you would ask. I never had any direct issues or conflicts with Xanu era CT, but I certainly didn't have a high level of admiration for them. CT under Thess and Zarius are a different animal, however, and I have a lot of respect for how they have advanced their guild.

Durew wrote: I am a gimp

dont be so hard on yourself there buddy, you do have those kick ass potting skillz!!

Oh and before I forget: WTF is Rune of Wars problem? How about you guys go find a lesser guild that you would be in competition with to flame - like Farstorm or something? (I dont know, Im not sure whos in competition with you) Im personally tired of seeing posts like this:

CT = Zerg
Ixtlalegion = Zerg
Farstorm = Wannabe CT's

Zerg? If we have 70 people combined how can we possibly make it a zerg. FoH has ~50ish people per raid, thats about how many CT has any more as well. Why is Farstorm even in that list? Who really cares? Just because they did NToV killed Nev and gave the Cloak of Thorns to a Druid (Yes, a completely stupid move in my opinion if it was their first). Or was that RoW? I really cant remember but I dont care. Keep Farstorm and Rune of War out of a CT flame post, dont need to put more gasolene over the flames or whatever.

Ixtlan/Legion arent really a zerg. Most of their raids they do with 40ish people if they get a good turnout. Most of the newest encounters require a standard turnout of ~50 people per raid if anything is to be done at them. If 40 people is too much for you, learn about high end encounters and come back when you fucking get a clue.

eh ninan...
kilmoll and other dumbshits have flammed us any time our name has been brought up and its always about co raiding with CD...so yah, a collective group of CT peices of shit can shove their hypocritic penises in eachothers hypocritic asses right about now.

masteen wrote:Who is the CLIT commander?

Oh but of course you know I am.

You don't want to rub the CLIT the wrong way.

Durew:

Ixtlalegion = Zerg

You are a fucking fool.

We've done Zland (the mob you guys have wiped on countless times) with 28.

We've done Cazic with 29.

We've done THO with 23.

All within the last 2 weeks.

You know why? b/c that's usually all we have for a raid. We are 2 very small guilds dipshit. Now how you can call us zerg is beyond me.

Not saying u guys directly are, but putting yourself in a position where your viewed as one, raiding with ones that are. Put yourselves in a position above them, raid alone, make strategies, kill shit by urselves

When your guild does any mob (even Kland, or fuck even Trak) with less then 30 come here and flame. Until then please don't talk about strategy nimrod.

As far as AoW, I don't think he can be done with 5-6 groups. Maybe he can but we can't do it. So we put ourselves in a position where we can do it.


I feel bad for the few decent people that RoW has. They have to put up with so many of you dipshits.

I thought the CLIT was a myth?

masteen wrote:I thought the CLIT was a myth?

No my good sir I have been there and seen the CLIT and have returned to tell about it.

all of my experiences with the CLIT have been exhilerating

No, that's the G spot Mast...

You need to look for the man in the boat

What Kev said...Did Kilmoll and co. quit or something? Or did he have a revelation in which Allah told him the correct course of action was to form up the CLIT? Because otherwise the foot -> mouth cliche still fits.

edited to protect the not so innocent too.

Co-raiding:- everybody has done it at one time or another for one reason or another, from FoH on down. Aint no big thing. CD and CoE are as entitled as anyone else to do it. Aint no problem wit' dat.

CT- Yes Kyoukan, lotsa people spent time flaming CT, but often for the same reason you often troll the boards- for entertainment. But times change, and Darwin can tell you all about what happens to critters that cant change with them. Yesterday they were the devil, and tomorrow they may be humping your cat, but right now theyre candystripers and mostly socially acceptable- deal with it, we do.

Me, I never got on the "hate ct" bandwaggon in the first place, so I dont have that "moral highground" position to back down from so I can group with them problem. Neener.

*Hugs*
Varia

Edit- Bleah, this one didnt come out as clearly and concisely as usual but I dont feel like cleaning it up atm so y'all can jus' deal wif it.

Skunki you are a good friend. It is unfortunate that all of those people left Legion. A lot of them simply quit the game which caused others to do the same or join another guild (CD). However, what I believe Legion stood for was having a small guild that does miraculous things. In that respect, they haven't changed. We built Ixtlan in the vision that we would someday be like Legion. Now we are allies.

edited to protect the innocent

I think you're missing the point that Kyoukan and Dest were making. Peeps from CT were among the first and most vocal of those to flame CD and CoE for co-raiding a couple months ago. Now, along comes the CLIT, and peeps from CT are defending a guild alliance.

The hypocracy is clear.

I agree. But there will still be flames lying around this board when the fact that CT doesnt co-raid as frequently as CoED does, thats all. There was the 10 % of bad apples in CT that have left either the guild or the game that probably took part in this CoED flame fest - I dont know, im still relatively new to the guild and tried not to take part in guild faction issues. Those who left are those who flamed the most, and few who stayed can still be blamed.

so much hate

Hiya Sylvos. Long time since the easy days of a Jot run or Brass City. I find it kind of sad that the game requires that you have an army of people to do things like this. Personally I feel that high end mobs should require at most a balanced team of 6 level 60's. But that is neither here nor there. Just wishful thinking.

Since when do a few members make the policy for a guild?

Perhaps CDCOE did such a great job convincing us, grats guys, thanks. I have never flamed CDCOE on a public forum, I have complete respect for the leadership of CD, no this is not a flame on CoE - you guys have good leadership as well.

There are only so many options available when rebuilding a guild.

You can over recruit and ruin and drive out old members of a guild.
Or you can pick up the pace of recruiting new members.

We picked the pick up the pace option.

You then come to the problem of - People thinking you are not moving up as fast as you should be and you lose members like that.

How do you stop that? We stopped it by using 2 other guilds to help us out.

The reason I even sent Gaklek a tell that night in Kael was simply because I saw CDCOE inc to Kael in force. The Corps and KoE were trying statue and we had 40 CT in Kael and more people inc.

What were my options there? I wanted to let The Corps and KoE have another shot at statue - it was their first time trying this mob I believe and shared aggro with the statue wiped them when they were clearing their way up. I wanted to let them have a fair shot at statue, they got it and killed statue - Grats guys, good job.

If you think that we came to the decision of joint raiding over night, you are wrong. When Xanupox left people followed him - We had to relearn how to work as a team. I remember looking at the members list and it being 67 people and going Oh shit.

We have built on that 67 people - The members that stayed with CT through this, I have great respect for, our new raid leaders learned stuff the hard way.

To the old members of Legion who think they can now comment on what Legion now is - All I have to say to you guys is, if you don't like it you are part of the reason Legion became what you don't like. Instead of trying to help Legion keep it's image you guys jumped ship - Obviously the image wasn't that important for you guys to keep then.


-Thess
Guild Liaison of Celestial Tomb

Actually CD and CoE were smarter then the old CT because they had enough insight to know it would take 80 plus on AoW round 1, smart enough to know Luclin mobs like Seru, HP, Emp would require 90 to kill first time.

Personally I like CLIT so far and hope we maintain the level of cooperation we have now, always.

So if you all wanna cry hypocrit to a few, so be it. Feel better now? Good.....) Me personally, I could care less who does what with whom. I only care about what CT is doing and when.

To the old members of Legion who think they can now comment on what Legion now is - All I have to say to you guys is, if you don't like it you are part of the reason Legion became what you don't like. Instead of trying to help Legion keep it's image you guys jumped ship - Obviously the image wasn't that important for you guys to keep then



You have no idea what you are talking about Missy! .

Yea whatever, CT found Jesus and has been reborn, the point being vocal CT members (that are still in the guild) are eating their own words every time they login to a CLIT raid. It's just amusing after all of the flames, that's all. I haven't really been in contact with CT for a long time so I'm not even commenting on your guild as a whole.