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Apparently, that is so against the unwritten rules of air combat, that my grandfather's friend chased that German plane down and killed him.

Yeah I have heard similar stories from both sides. Those who broke the "gentleman rules" were taken down fast and hard with no mercy.

A very interesting read btw is the Christmas Ceasefire of WWI where German soldiers basicly decided to stop fighting during Christmas. It involved exchanging gifts with the other side, a soccer match etc. Quite fascinating, and you would never see anything like that these days.

Vietnam was not lost because of weaponry or tactics. Vietnam was lost because it was never a declared war. It was technically a police action. That meant that the U.S. soldiers' hands were tied regarding free fire zones. It tended to get ignored a bit, but basically they were not free to do what was necessary to defeat the North Vietnamese.

please don't go off on that undeclared war bull shit. congress hasn't officially declared war on anything since the 40s. That doesn't mean it's not a war.

the US lost in vietnam because trying to attack and hold an asian country is sheer stupidity.

Krimson Klaw wrote:Yea that was my favorite period too for all the reasons you stated. Modern air combat games are booooring. I tried searching for a Korean theatre combat game 2 months ago because it was the dawn of jetfighters, but I could not find any. The genre goes from WWII type flight sims with props, straight to modern times with falcons etc.

http://www.pcaviator.com.au/shop/sabrevmig1.htm

http://www.empireinteractive.com/migalley/

Cool, that's exactly what I was looking for. This will be fun.

Kelshara wrote:If there was honor in it Bush would fight Hussein in a duel heh.

Bush Vs Hussein

Bush would win because of his "Dubyanomics Plan" hehe

Anyhow, dont you think just an all out fist fight Sadaam vs George on the lawn of the whitehouse could solve this problem? I mean they could have all the major press there and we can watch it. SHOW US THE MONEY GEORGE!

You need Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator 2 in order to play Saber vs. MiG, but it's a pretty good game anyway, and you can probably grab it up at EB for $15.

MiG Alley is one of the best flight sims ever made with easily the best dynamic campaign ever written into a flight sim ever. The graphics also still look great now. I would get that one first.

I wish they could settle it over a Tekken match!

Much more fun and not endangering any lives!

Bush VS Saddam in a Tekken match, now that'd be somethin'.

Two things that I find in common with the USSR vs. Afganistan and the USA vs. Vietnam.

At the time, the countries attacked were well motivated and the countries attacking had withering morale.



To me this says that yes equipment and training are strong advantages, but if you piss off the local populace enough you're in for the fight of your life.

Take this line of reasoning further and it supports why the USA won in Afganistan. One the USA was VERY motivated, and the locals in Afganistan supported the USA.

one thing that Iraq does not enjoy that the Viet Kong and Muhajadin did enjoy is the advantage of difficult to navigate terrain.

there is not terrain in Iraq (outside of the cities themselves) where that army can really compensate for its massive technological deficit. In Vietnam and Afghanistan, that helped bridge the gap.

The germans have proven you point everyt time someone has tried to invade their soil as well, Adex.

A man fighting for his home is going to fight harder than one fighting for an ideal.

In Vietnam, they weren't even fighting for an ideal. The brass gave lip service to liberating the people, stopping the spread of communism, ect., but even the lowliest grunt could see that was bullshit.

Animal Mother wrote:Flush out your head gear, new guy. You think we waste gooks for freedom? This is a slaughter. If I'm gonna get my balls blown off for a word, my word is "poon-tang."

kyoukan wrote:the US lost in vietnam because trying to attack and hold an asian country is sheer stupidity.

One of the reasons Vietnam was lost was because Johnson refused to enter Laos or Cambodia to get ahead of the line and attack from the other side.

With that being said, there was no reason to be in Vietnam in the first place.

Fairweather Pure wrote:My Grandpa never talked about the war until a couple of years ago.

I never found out exactly what happened until after my grandpa died and I found a few letters documenting his experiences over Italy. I was shocked and amazed at the kind of things he went through. He was always such a soft spoken person I couldn't possibly have expected him to have done the things he did.

I just wish he were still alive to talk about it, so I could get it from the horses mouth if you know what I mean.