VeeshanVault

I'm not really saying anything new here, but I may as well pile on...

I don't really have an issue with any person being banned after nearly 6 years of bringing virtually nothing to the boards but inane trolling, personal attacks and a creepy obsession with rape imagery. Face it, Cart was a useless twat, and most of us will certainly not miss his daily display of mind-numbing retardation. Personally, I don't really care if he's allowed to post or not. I never paid any real attention to anything he had to say anyway. Also, trying to compare Cart to any other poster on this board isn't really valid. Whether or not you disagree with them or dislike them, they at least actually contribute to discussions.

As others have stated, the fact of the matter is that he literally asked to be banned after receiving a simple warning. Whether it was in the heat of the moment, or just another example of his stupidity, those are the breaks.

Who is Cartalas? Never heard of him...

Sylvus tried to handle the situation in a civilized controlled manor, Cart basically threw it back in his face and said 'ban me'. I find it very hard to have any sympathy for Cartalas then getting perma-banned.

I miss Searyx.

Its one of them thar pesky Freedom Of Speech things- "I hate what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it". May ring a bell with some folks... Just a thought, on FLAMEvault. Or are we now just using safety matches?

Thess wrote:Sylvus tried to handle the situation in a civilized controlled manor, Cart basically threw it back in his face and said 'ban me'. I find it very hard to have any sympathy for Cartalas then getting perma-banned.

Sylvus went all the way to a big house in the english countryside to handle this?

VariaVespasa wrote:Its one of them thar pesky Freedom Of Speech things- "I hate what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it". May ring a bell with some folks... Just a thought, on FLAMEvault. Or are we now just using safety matches?

Uh oh first amendment invoked. better un-ban him since this message board is owned by the united states federal government.

I think it's funny that people run to the moderators because someone insulted them on the internet.

BTW, this site runs like shit lately.. you'd swear it was running on Windows 386.

Woops, I meant manner!

I don't really have an issue with any person being banned after nearly 6 years of bringing virtually nothing to the boards but inane trolling, personal attacks and a creepy obsession with rape imagery. Face it, Cart was a useless twat, and most of us will certainly not miss his daily display of mind-numbing retardation.

I do agree with Winnow that Kyoukan is pretty much the same as Cart yet gets a by ball. Which is inherintly bullshit too.

Interesting way to solve your problems. There are a lot more annoying people on this board than Cart.

Cart would not be banned if this board put it to a vote. I've seen some pretty balanced posters on this thread say the ban shouldn't be permanent even after reading the first post with the PM in it. It's simply selectively choosing who to listen to. As with just about everything in this world, people don't bitch when they're fine with things so you're not going to get PMs from those that don't care, only the minority who do.

I guess le cliqiè is bummed that they almost had both Midnyte and Cart booted. Total bias. Grats. Christ, I'll create a hit list up if you need one.

FF threads used to have bannings left and right but they weren't permanent.

"Flame"Vault, hello? So Weak. PussyVault is more like it. Oooh, my feelings are hurt. ooooh, my cyber friend's feelings were hurt. Ignore it, fight back, or I suppose just ban people that are outside the circle of touchy feely.

Move kylere up the respect list a few more notches. He didn't have the Jack Handy support group PM'ing away yet survived his picture attack. Kylere's the same guy that threatened to strangle me at FF during the Karae PKIRL fun times yet my psyche managed to survive!

Good god people. Is there a pink theme for this board I can use to remind me who I'm dealing with before posting?

You could always fucking leave, you pathetic loser.

You could always fucking leave, you pathetic loser.

personal attack

Gzette wrote:

You could always fucking leave, you pathetic loser.

personal attack

Yep, INC pm sylvus

Jesus, try and cry a bit more you moaning fucks.

If you're missing him so much just type out the words "LOL CUNT" or "I BET DADDY POUNDED YOUR ASS BITCH" on notepad and it'll be like he never left.

Fucking pissy morons.

I wouldn't waste anymore time on this thread Nick. Banning Cart is dredging up realizations of being generally disliked around here in a couple people. They will invent their own realities of Cartalas and ignore the facts because they feel that somehow they are next. Hence the defensive (and protective) behavior when the action wasn't even directed at them. This banning has given them a chance to lament (verbosely I might add--although I bet most people stopped reading after a couple sentences) their own position.

Lalanae wrote:I wouldn't waste anymore time on this thread Nick. Banning Cart is dredging up realizations of being generally disliked around here in a couple people. They will invent their own realities of Cartalas and ignore the facts because they feel that somehow they are next. Hence the defensive (and protective) behavior when the action wasn't even directed at them. This banning has given them a chance to lament (verbosely I might add--although I bet most people stopped reading after a couple sentences) their own position.

Actually you fucking know it all that has nothing to do with it. The fact of the matter is that Kyoukan is the only person on this board that has continuously said shit here I thought was out of line since day 1. Im fine with people getting time outs, but before I would go crying to someone to get someone permanently banned I would just fucking ignore them.

But you can't do that because it's too easy, people think they are special for some reason and that they shouldn't have to use the ignore function that is there FOR A FUCKING REASON.

kyoukan wrote:You could always fucking leave, you pathetic loser.

Like you did? Your "they go or I go" whine on the video forum was great for a laugh.

My post above stands. Pick and choose who to come down on. The only people inventing their own realities around here are the handful of people that think they are the majority on this board when it's clear to see on this thread that's highly debatable...but when did that ever matter. I just like to point it out. Twist it as you wish.

The fact of the matter is that Winnow has pretty much been right in this thread. However, like he said the usual dozen or so (how many active users are on this board??) loud mouthed assholes think that everyone should think/act/speak like them or they are an idiot.

case in point...

Lalanae wrote:case in point...

It must hurt being so fucking clever you arrogant fuck.

It's easy to be arrogant with you, sweet knees

Winnow wrote:There are a lot more annoying people on this board than Cart.

That's just not true. You may find someone else more annoying, and someone else might find a completely different person more annoying, but cartalas was the hands-down consensus winner. I don't see a whole lot of people saying that he added anything of value. In fact, your comment about him being part of your Suns thread is pretty much the sole redeeming value that anyone has brought up about him. The few people who have expressed a dissenting opinion that him being banned was anything but good news seem to be doing it from a free speech angle, not out of any love or respect for cartalas.

You're also talking like people were bitching about personal attacks or couldn't defend themselves, which is not true. People were complaining about his constant trolling, like they always have. I was just pointing out some of the rules that he constantly violated, the rl picture rule being the most recent and immediately obvious example, and told him to cut it out. He replied "Fuck Off!" (I was actually quite proud of him for a whole private message without any spelling or grammatical errors, if you ignore the capitalization) and then posted this message. I was more than willing to let him stay here and try to abide by the few rules that we have, but he wasn't interested in that.

It's kind of silly to defend him when he's obviously much happier not having to come here now after my little shitclan ran off all the worth while posters. (note that that implies that none of you who are defending him are worthwhile posters) He said it himself

cartalas wrote:Like I give a fuck

No one else is in danger of being permanently banned (unless they ask for it. literally) even though there are a number of people that I don't like, and my shitclan doesn't like. Cartalas was the shining example of adding nothing, ever, to any conversation while constantly violating rules. I ignored it for several years, even when people who actually do make a contribution here and that I respect practically begged me to ban him. He only got it when he asked for it. What do you think should happen when you post a message like this?

Funkmasterr wrote:

Lalanae wrote:case in point...

It must hurt being so fucking clever you arrogant fuck.

Funny, after every one of your posts I wonder how much it must hurt being that fucking ignorant.

Truant wrote:

Funkmasterr wrote:

Lalanae wrote:case in point...

It must hurt being so fucking clever you arrogant fuck.

Funny, after every one of your posts I wonder how much it must hurt being that fucking ignorant.

I'm hurt, really. Please tell me what I can do to make you hold a higher respect for me... Please.. I'm dying to know.

You guys need to stop being so righteous, talking about "the principle of the matter" and all that bullshit.

You all hated him too and I'm willing to bet nobody's going to miss him.

I wish I wrote a PM to sylvus so I could feel like I had a part in his banning, he was a douchebag and his posts have been getting progressively dumber for the past 4 years.

I think my IQ is going to go up now that I don't have to read that worthless waste of time gabage anymore. (<-- was that redundant?)

Hi-5 to everybody who wrote Sylvus a PM. I might write one still just so I can feel like I participated.

PS

If I log on here in a few days and see a poll with the title or a similar title to: "Should we unban cart?" I'll shit in my hand and throw it on the computer screen in pure rage.

Please, don't make me do that.

Neziroth wrote:PS

If I log on here in a few days and see a poll with the title or a similar title to: "Should we unban cart?" I'll shit in my hand and throw it on the computer screen in pure rage.

Please, don't make me do that.

Hmmm, can we get a poll up to see if we shoudl make that post?

And for the record, i rarely bother with Cartalas any more, i usually just pass his posts when i see its his, and im pretty sure that having him gone will only help in here.
Theres a several people i dont like in here, no secret about that, but everyone else at least once in a while make a post worth reading, no matter if you agree with it or not.
Im normally agains bannings, but if a person ask a mod to ban him and insult him in an IM, i dont mind seeing him go byebye.

Why would we want to have a vote and possibly come to a decision that obviously goes against his wishes?

I just don't know what Winnow and Funk and a few others are on about. There's no victim here. STFU about it already.

Besides when has this, or basically any other privately-run internet message board, ever been a democracy.

Sylvus called me an assclown once while we were doing Terris Thule. In fact he called everyone in the raid an assclown!

Funkmasterr wrote:Actually you fucking know it all that has nothing to do with it. The fact of the matter is that Kyoukan is the only person on this board that has continuously said shit here I thought was out of line since day 1.

Dude, I could wipe my dirty, dirty ass on my fucking keyboard, hit the 'submit' button, and the result will be an effort that easily surpasses every contribution you've made to this forum, and probably to the planet.

VariaVespasa wrote:Its one of them thar pesky Freedom Of Speech things- "I hate what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it". May ring a bell with some folks... Just a thought, on FLAMEvault. Or are we now just using safety matches?

First ammendment doesn't apply in this case for all kinds of reasons.

1) It has never been a blanket cover for slander or libel, and that has happened dozens of times.

2) Like Kyou says, I'm not American either. Besides, if your government is happy to use the consitution to wipe it's arse, what do I care about it?

There's also the Penny Arcade theory of internet communication at play: how much of this shit would be said standing in front of the person where they could exercise their right of reply via the medium of a closed fist?

I've had Cart on ignore for god knows how long and never saw what he said unless it was quoted or I felt like killing a few brain cells and clicked it to read anyways, so his being banned or not banned doesn't affect me much either way. But he is. And seriously, what difference does it really make? He added nothing at all to conversations. Usually if I put someone on ignore there's at least some kind of confusion as to what was said that people are replying to, but not with Cart. You knew what it would say before he even typed it. It would be a oneliner with plenty of typos and strange uses of capital letters. His only contribution of substance is his posting here anymore. That says a lot about the situation.

I don't think I'd want anyone else banned, despite my personal feelings about them. I'd fight to keep Midnyte around. I'd fight to keep Kylere around. Hell I'd fight to keep Atokal around if we were unfortunate enough to have him back, because despite their views, or their personality, or whatever it is about them that I dislike, they at least provide conversation. That's something worth fighting about. Cart? It's like bitching that a stone out on the street isn't able to post here.

i dont have a stfu button =(

I did not read this thread.....

I'd just like to say that I was not one of the people asking for him to be banned.

I have no opinion on whether I'm for or against his ban, but in the past I would have been for banning.

I am posting here just to be involved





ok, carry on

This is your last warning. Stop being a troll or I'm going to ban you.

This is horseshit and you know it as well as I do. You damn well better have e-mails in to the other useless ass troll on here too.....except we all know that won't happen. I like you Sylvus, but the only reason he gets this shit and kyoukan doesn't is that you dislike him. Of course seeing as how most of your friends are liberal leaning people, they all hate Cart and think Kyoukan is actually witty and worth keeping.

Truly shitty.

What was the main reason for banning Cart?

Making fun of peoples RL-pics?

Can't take some critizism over the net, don't post your pics!

kyoukan wrote:

Funkmasterr wrote:Actually you fucking know it all that has nothing to do with it. The fact of the matter is that Kyoukan is the only person on this board that has continuously said shit here I thought was out of line since day 1.

Dude, I could wipe my dirty, dirty ass on my fucking keyboard, hit the 'submit' button, and the result will be an effort that easily surpasses every contribution you've made to this forum, and probably to the planet.

I just knew you had a dirty, dirty ass.

On a different note, what kind of fucking pussy PM's the moderator? The thought would never occur to me.

Spang wrote:No one is saying 'bring back Cart!'. They're saying, 'don't ban people'.

That is simple enough even a lizard should get it! Hell, if everyone stopped replying to him, he would change or leave on his own. Why is that so hard to understand. Happy FUCKSHITBITCHASS Everyone (Yes that was our Hippy Spangles line, remember, the one that autoedits here because we didn't like that bullshit concept then?> back when people were banned from IGNVault?

kyoukan wrote:

VariaVespasa wrote:Its one of them thar pesky Freedom Of Speech things- "I hate what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it". May ring a bell with some folks... Just a thought, on FLAMEvault. Or are we now just using safety matches?

Uh oh first amendment invoked. better un-ban him since this message board is owned by the united states federal government.

Yeah, because Freedom of Speech is a bad thing just because the US uses it as a standard

Thanks Kyoualas

Kwonryu DragonFist wrote:What was the main reason for banning Cart?

Making fun of peoples RL-pics?

Can't take some critizism over the net, don't post your pics!

Except that is the one rule we DO have on VV, and we agreed to it before starting the RL pics thread.

Nick wrote:

I don't really have an issue with any person being banned after nearly 6 years of bringing virtually nothing to the boards but inane trolling, personal attacks and a creepy obsession with rape imagery. Face it, Cart was a useless twat, and most of us will certainly not miss his daily display of mind-numbing retardation.

I do agree with Winnow that Kyoukan is pretty much the same as Cart yet gets a by ball. Which is inherintly bullshit too.

Kyou does a lot of lowbie trolling to be sure, mainly as a form of entertainment, but she can and does have proper and serious contributions too when it pleases her or its in a real thread.

I don't complain on people acting like assclowns and usually just tend to chuckle at their dumbass posts.

That being said, I still won't miss Cart.

So basically everyone supports freedom of speech, but doesn't mind it being violated if it's someone like Cart. So the ends justify the means then? Okay Mr. Bush.

Shut the fuck up you pussy.

Last I knew Freedom of Speech doesn't apply to privately run internet message boards. Perhaps you'd like to read up on what 'Freedom of Speech' actually means before you throw it around like an ignoramus.