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Spang wrote:

Aslanna wrote:So .. Eating meat, apparently of any kind.. in any amount = heart disease?

I never said that.

Aslanna wrote:Well what the fuck did you say?

Spang wrote: Humans predate fire and tools. Unless they were slaughtering animals with their bare hands and eating them like a cheetah eats a gazelle, they were foraging like a druid.

Spang wrote:

Aslanna wrote:Well what the fuck did you say?

Heart disease is the leading cause of death.

Aslanna wrote:And.. How does it relate to a eating meat?

Spang wrote:

pyrella wrote:Also - more adverse affects on the human body from 'edible' plants vs. edible meat - no comment?

Heart disease is the leading cause of death.

Aslanna wrote:

Spang wrote:

Aslanna wrote:So .. Eating meat, apparently of any kind.. in any amount = heart disease?

I never said that.

Well what the fuck did you say? You never seem to say anything. Try explaining your position a bit more. Oh wait.. That will never happen.

Spang wrote:

Aslanna wrote:And.. How does it relate to a eating meat?

Are you really not familiar with the correlation between eating meat and heart disease?

Spang wrote:Are you really not familiar with the correlation between eating meat and heart disease?

Spang wrote:Are you really not familiar with the correlation between eating meat and heart disease?

Spang wrote:

Aslanna wrote:So .. Eating meat, apparently of any kind.. in any amount = heart disease?

I never said that.

Spang wrote:

pyrella wrote:Oh and all the 'our ancestors weren't meat eaters' arguments - yeah, spears and arrowheads are used for capturing the elusive wooly rutabega, I'm sure.

Humans predate fire and tools. Unless they were slaughtering animals with their bare hands and eating them like a cheetah eats a gazelle, they were foraging like a druid.

miir wrote:

Spang wrote:Are you really not familiar with the correlation between eating meat and heart disease?

There is a correlation between heart disease and saturated fat.
Two of the highest sources of saturated fat are Coconut Oil and Butter.. both of which are not meat.

Cancer Facts - Meat Consumption and Cancer Risk

The World Health Organization has determined that dietary factors account for at least 30 percent of all cancers in Western countries and up to 20 percent in developing countries. When cancer researchers started to search for links between diet and cancer, one of the most noticeable findings was that people who avoided meat were much less likely to develop the disease. Large studies in England and Germany showed that vegetarians were about 40 percent less likely to develop cancer compared to meat eaters.1-3 In the United States, researchers studied Seventh-day Adventists, a religious group that is remarkable because, although nearly all members avoid tobacco and alcohol and follow generally healthful lifestyles, about half of the Adventist population is vegetarian, while the other half consumes modest amounts of meat. This fact allowed scientists to separate the effects of eating meat from other factors. Overall, these studies showed significant reductions in cancer risk among those who avoided meat.4 In contrast, Harvard studies showed that daily meat eaters have approximately three times the colon cancer risk, compared to those who rarely eat meat.

A number of hypotheses have been advanced to explain the connection between meat consumption and cancer risk. First, meat is devoid of fiber and other nutrients that have a protective effect. Meat also contains animal protein, saturated fat, and, in some cases, carcinogenic compounds such as heterocyclic amines (HCA) and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAH) formed during the processing or cooking of meat. HCAs, formed as meat is cooked at high temperatures, and PAHs, formed during the burning of organic substances, are believed to increase cancer risk. In addition, the high fat content of meat and other animal products increases hormone production, thus increasing the risk of hormone-related cancers such as breast and prostate cancer.

In 1997, the American Institute for Cancer Research (AICR) published a review of the major studies on food, nutrition, and cancer prevention. For cancers of the breast, prostate, kidney, and pancreas, it was determined that red meat (beef, pork, or lamb) consumption possibly increased cancer risk. For colorectal cancer, a review of the literature determined that red meat probably increased cancer risk and that processed meat, saturated/animal fat, and heavily cooked meat possibly increased risk.5

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Two themes consistently emerge from studies of cancer from many sites: vegetables and fruits help to reduce risk, while meat, animal products, and other fatty foods are frequently found to increase risk. Consumption of dietary fat drives production of hormones, which, in turn, promotes growth of cancer cells in hormone-sensitive organs such as the breast and prostate. Meat is devoid of the protective effects of fiber, antioxidants, phytochemicals, and other helpful nutrients, and it contains high concentrations of saturated fat and potentially carcinogenic compounds, which may increase one’s risk of developing many different kinds of cancer.

Vegetarian diets and diets rich in high-fiber plant foods such as whole grains, legumes, vegetables, and fruits offer a measure of protection.5 Fiber greatly speeds the passage of food through the colon, effectively removing carcinogens, and fiber actually changes the type of bacteria that is present in the intestine, so there is reduced production of carcinogenic secondary bile acids. Plant foods are also naturally low in fat and rich in antioxidants and other anti-cancer compounds. Not surprisingly, vegetarians are at the lowest risk for cancer and have a significantly reduced risk compared to meat-eaters.33

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Spang wrote:Meat is a great source of saturated fat. Also, in addition to heart disease, there's a correlation between eating meat and cancer as well, the second leading cause of death.

Lynks wrote:Everything causes cancer. Tofu is thought to increase thyroid and breast cancer.

miir wrote:Maybe that's why vegetarians are so bitchy and irrational.

miir wrote:E-coli is a good source of death.

Cancer Facts - Meat Consumption and Cancer Risk

In contrast, Harvard studies showed that daily meat eaters have approximately three times the colon cancer risk, compared to those who rarely eat meat.

In 1997, the American Institute for Cancer Research (AICR) published a review of the major studies on food, nutrition, and cancer prevention. For cancers of the breast, prostate, kidney, and pancreas, it was determined that red meat (beef, pork, or lamb) consumption possibly increased cancer risk. For colorectal cancer, a review of the literature determined that red meat probably increased cancer risk and that processed meat, saturated/animal fat, and heavily cooked meat possibly increased risk.

Spang wrote:Meat is a great source of saturated fat.

Aslanna wrote:Oh hey some actual specifics: 'red meat'. In case you weren't aware there are more types out there than red meat which is something I personally avoid.

Xyun wrote:nazivegan n.:

A sometimes militant type of vegan who isn't content to merely live with a vegan lifestyle and feels a moral compulsion to enforce his/her own ideals on other people. Problems arise because the vegan lifestyle is arbitrarily determined by a personal choice balancing prevention of harm to animals and convenience, and any attempts to force or encourage other people to conform results in absurd amounts of hypocrisy. (Animals are harmed in far more ways than just being used as food, and anyone who abstains from a diet involving meat products still necessarily causes harm to animals in some way, unless they are completely self-sufficient and don't use electricity or gasoline which both cause pollution when produced, grow their own food so animals aren't killed by combine harvesters, don't live in a house which uses materials gained from deforestation, etc.)

A nazivegan claims it's okay to hurt animals only as much as he or she does.

Sylvus wrote:Find me a study of a group of people that live on a diet high in meat or saturated fat, and avoid those things that I just listed, all while having a higher-than-average incidence of heart disease, cancer, etc. and I'll concede that you've got a point.

Until then, I'll point you to the Masai in East Africa (who generally subsist on cow's milk, meat and blood)...

Spang wrote:

Sylvus wrote:Find me a study of a group of people that live on a diet high in meat or saturated fat, and avoid those things that I just listed, all while having a higher-than-average incidence of heart disease, cancer, etc. and I'll concede that you've got a point.

Until then, I'll point you to the Masai in East Africa (who generally subsist on cow's milk, meat and blood)...

The Maasai people have the worst life expectancy in the world.

Spang wrote:Humans predate fire and tools.

Xatrei wrote:

Spang wrote:Humans predate fire and tools.

This is simply false. Any argument advanced from this point is doomed. Tool use, including weapons, and fire predate humans by over a million years each (over 2 million in the case of stone tools). Besides that, raw meat was consumed in quantity by pre-human apes long before it was learned that fire could extend food's "shelf life."

Asheran Mojomaster wrote:Holy super troll, this is still going on? ...no amount of reasoning is going to change his mind.

The global debt crisis has sparked riots in Greece and elsewhere in Europe, but while you were watching the mayhem on TV, you might not have noticed that there’s a riot brewing at your kitchen table.

No nation should be without an SBR — a Strategic Bacon Reserve!

Bacon prices are expected to soar this summer — just in time for peak BLT (bacon lettuce and tomato sandwich) season. BLT season goes into full swing in July across much of the country as tomatoes start to ripen and, if you’re like Jason Perlow, who writes the “Off the Broiler” blog, by August, BLT’s will have become “major meals” instead of just a quick lunch.

But this year, just as the U.S. is worrying about its own debt crisis and a possible "double-dip" recession, the price of bacon —that sizzling, smoky comfort food we most need during tough times — is expected to surge. The price of pork bellies, which is where bacon comes from, jumped to more than $130 per hundredweight (100 pounds), and some analysts suggest it’s going to top last August’s level of $150.

“It’s going to be pretty tragic when you have your fresh ripe tomatoes and can’t have bacon for your BLT,” said Jason Mosley, author of the Mr. Bacon Pants blog and co-star of the “Bacon Live” podcast.

The reason for surging bacon prices is that hog farmers have pared their herds due to high feed costs after corn prices hit a record near $8 a bushel last month. Retail bacon prices hit $4.77 a pound in May, according to the Labor Department, and Rich Nelson, director of research at Allendale, told Reuters that it could reach near $6 a pound in the next few months.

The bacon community is outraged.

“Everyone is kind of freaking out about it,” Mosley said, adding that some bacon lovers have already reported seeing bacon prices above $6 a pound — and that's for the generic, store-brand “cheap stuff.”

Still, bacon lovers aren’t to be deterred.

“I think they’ll make cutbacks other places — stop buying other things so they can afford bacon,” Mosley said. He personally said he’s willing to cut back on some fresh fruits and vegetables — things like bananas. “Get some good tomatoes and lettuce and forget the other stuff,” he said.

Some bacon mavens suggest it’s time to stock up for the coming crisis.

“Bacon lovers should take this as a warning that it’s time to head to the store and stock up. Tomatoes are beginning to ripen and prime BLT season is just around the corner,” said Heather Lauer, author of the book “Bacon: A Love Story” and the Bacon Unwrapped blog. “ As hog farmers do what is necessary to survive in challenging economic times, bacon consumers need to protect themselves as well,” she said.

Mosley also suggests using Bacon Salt to hold you over — it's a salt that adds bacon flavor to anything you HOOKERWHORESLUT it on, though it isn't made of actual bacon.

As if the nation isn’t suffering enough, with high unemployment and gas prices still more than $3.50 a gallon, now we’re faced with a bacon crisis and the need to stockpile bacon.

America, it’s time to take this seriously. BLT season is fast approaching and we need to get this crisis under control.

With all the money the government has thrown at Wall Street and foreign countries that have spent themselves into crisis, it’s high time officials took this bacon crisis seriously.

Imagine a U.S. stockpile of oh, say, 700 or so million barrels of bacon that can be unleashed to the Walmarts of America when the nation is in time of need.

How can this nation even try to maintain its status as super power of the world on lettuce and tomato sandwiches?

Mosley said he’s in favor of a Strategic Bacon Reserve.

“Why not? I think that we’re already facing a lot of tough decisions in America — why have bacon be one of them?” he said.

Well said, Mr. Baconpants. Well said.

Aabidano wrote:The "design life" of our bodies is going to take a long time to catch up to modern conditions, of course that would be assuming that natural selection for longevity were at play, which it isn't.

Aslanna wrote:Bad news for bacon eaters!

http://www.cnbc.com/id/43611656

More corn subsidies, please! Thanks!

Asheran Mojomaster wrote:Ok, I went back and read through this. Yes, interesting thread, and here is basically what I got out of it.

Spang has a low IQ but wants to act intelligent
Spang probably has a small penis so wants to act superior (if not, just some sort of superiority complex in general)
Spang is completely confused, and if he can see logic in what is being said he blocks it out because he can't admit he is wrong

and above all
Spang is a complete douche

I actually used to like him, but oh jesus did this thread show his true colors. I actually would feel somewhat sorry for him if he didn't have such a horrible aura of smug around him.