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Sylvus wrote:

Tyrannosaurus SEX wrote:the real nba finals are the suns vs mavs imo.

Yeah, let's disregard the East entirely, even though the Pistons had the best record in the NBA and went 7-1 against the Clippers, Suns, Spurs and Mavericks (with the only loss coming to the Mavs).

The West isn't that good.

The Suns had the best record in the NBA last year and won all their series or tied at worst with the East. All that got them was a swift kick in the pants during the WCFs last year.

Detroit took both games this year vs Phoenix but Miami isn't anything to be worried about if you're the Suns. One and Two man shows don't cut it vs the Suns. Dallas and Detroit have balanced teams which make for very tough matchups.

If the Suns can make it past Dallas and Detroit this year, they deserve some street cred! Nash and Marion are All-Stars but Raja Bell, Boris Diaw, Tim Thomas and Leandro Barbosa are all very solid roleplayers. That makes for a six man rotation with a little spinkling of James Jones thrown in here and there. Kurt Thomas almost played in game seven vs the Clippers so should see a few minutes in the upcoming series as well to help out down low.

Winnow wrote:If the Suns can make it past Dallas and Detroit this year, they deserve some street cred!

If they make it past Dallas then I might give them some street cred. If they beat the Pistons/Heat, they definitely deserve some street cred, as anyone who kisses the trophy does. Until then, they're just an exciting offensive team to watch, kind of like the Harlem Globetrotters.

Ooh, I just got tix for tonight's Game 1 vs. the Heat!!

Go Pistons!

Sylvus wrote:Ooh, I just got tix for tonight's Game 1 vs. the Heat!!

Go Pistons!

I hate you. Have a great time. Being at a playoff game must be a blast.

GO HEAT!!!

Nice!

I don't see the Pistons having much trouble with Miami although if Miami's going to take a game, this would be it with the extra rest they've gotten the past few days. You're extra cheering may be the difference!

Sylvus wrote:

Tyrannosaurus SEX wrote:the real nba finals are the suns vs mavs imo.

Yeah, let's disregard the East entirely, even though the Pistons had the best record in the NBA and went 7-1 against the Clippers, Suns, Spurs and Mavericks (with the only loss coming to the Mavs).

The West isn't that good.

west coast is the best coast

noel wrote:

Kelshara wrote:

Tyrannosaurus SEX wrote:the real nba finals are the suns vs mavs imo.

heh remind me not to get any of whatever you are smoking

Stragi, you're on drugs. I could make a more legitimate argument that the real finals are the Eastern conference finals...

i defy you to make a more legitimate argument that would only be more legitimate because you acutally backed up your statement with facts true or false whilst i did no such thing not making it much of an argument to validate legitimacy in the first place

The Suns aren't viewed as an elite team now because they have yet to beat an elite team in a playoff series. If you beat the Spurs or the Pistons last year, you'd be an elite team. If you beat the Spurs, the Pistons, or the Mavericks this year, you'll be an elite team. No question. Beating the teams that you're supposed to beat does not make an elite team.

However, there's no reason that the Suns ought to be expected to rise to that level this year. You've made it just as far as you did last year with a weaker team. You should feel good even if you lose to the Mavs in five. However, in order for the Suns to get the kind of respect that you seem to want them to get, you will at least need to take the Mavs to seven, and preferably beat them. As of now, the current incarnation of the Phoenix Suns is 1-4 in playoff games against elite teams. You'll never gain respect until you improve on that record, and here's a chance to do that.

Next year, with a (hopefully) complete and healthy team, is the year when Phoenix will be expected to take a step up in class.

Winnow wrote:If any team was perfect at handling pressure, they'd be 82-0.

That's ludicrous. What if two opposing teams both handle pressure perfectly? One of them has to lose. What if I handled the pressure perfectly in a one-on-one game against Steve Nash? I'd still get torched. This is a blatantly stupid statement that you're using to evade the point. That's fine, but I just wanted to point it out.

Sueven wrote:

Winnow wrote:If any team was perfect at handling pressure, they'd be 82-0.

That's ludicrous. What if two opposing teams both handle pressure perfectly? One of them has to lose. What if I handled the pressure perfectly in a one-on-one game against Steve Nash? I'd still get torched. This is a blatantly stupid statement that you're using to evade the point. That's fine, but I just wanted to point it out.

Yeah, that was a pretty lame statement by me! I officially retract it!

Go Heat! In Detroit they win! I guess Shaq really is ready...

Poor Sylvus... He went to the game tonight...

That had nothing to do with Shaq, or the Heat, the Pistons just stunk up the joint.

38% shooting, 2 retarded plays in the last 5 minutes, and a questionable call or two will kill anyone. That said, I can live with a 5 point loss when we play some of the worst basketball we've played all season.

I'm not too worried about it.

Truant wrote:As I have told Xou a couple times, the most important thing about this series is that Dallas can finally tell SA fans to stfu. Because they've been running at the mouth non stop since they won the show.

edit. punctuation.

the reason we can run our mouth is because we have won the big game,not once,but 3 times,and dallas hasn't.And its about time they finally got past us,it took them long enough even though duncan is starting to get old,and we dont have robinson anymore.

you havent had robinson in like 5 years. and you won it last year, nice fucking excuse though.

Robinson is no excuse. He was a great player and with him and Duncan the Spurs rocked. Has nothing to do with losing to the Mavs this year. Three things impacted the Spurs this year:

1. Injuries. Ginobili has not been himself all year due to injuries and Duncan was injured most of the season. This put a huge strain on Parker in particular and I think he simply got worn out. He was not himself during the play-offs. Injuries happen, no excuse at all. But it is a reason.

2. Age. They are honestly starting to get old. Well, starting to.. They ARE old.

3. Their team can handle two types of teams: Speed (think Suns) OR power (think Pistons). Mavs is a damn balanced team with both and they played extremely well.

Spurs got beat and outplayed. That is the simple truth of it. Of course, I still think the series would have been different if it wasn't for the bogus foul on Duncan that got him fouled out early in the series.

Kelshara wrote:Robinson is no excuse. He was a great player and with him and Duncan the Spurs rocked. Has nothing to do with losing to the Mavs this year. Three things impacted the Spurs this year:

1. Injuries. Ginobili has not been himself all year due to injuries and Duncan was injured most of the season. This put a huge strain on Parker in particular and I think he simply got worn out. He was not himself during the play-offs. Injuries happen, no excuse at all. But it is a reason.

2. Age. They are honestly starting to get old. Well, starting to.. They ARE old.

3. Their team can handle two types of teams: Speed (think Suns) OR power (think Pistons). Mavs is a damn balanced team with both and they played extremely well.

Spurs got beat and outplayed. That is the simple truth of it. Of course, I still think the series would have been different if it wasn't for the bogus foul on Duncan that got him fouled out early in the series.

Wow, that's some serious whining!

How about:

Amare not even being in the line up this year, Kurt Thomas out the last two months and Phoenix is in the WCF vs Ginobili "not being himself" and Duncan having a booboo on this ankle...waaaaaaa!

It didn't take long for the San Antonio excuses to flow!

On the flip side, I'm liking all of these nice comments about Dallas so if the Suns take them down in this series, they'll get some VV cred.

heat vs suns in the finals putting down money now

Winnow wrote:On the flip side, I'm liking all of these nice comments about Dallas so if the Suns take them down in this series, they'll get some VV cred.

Any VV cred they may be entitled to will instantly be negated by the first post you make on the subject!

The irony of Winnow commenting on whining is just.. spectacular. I wasn't whining, I was stating 3 reasons why the Spurs did not win. And all 3 are correct. The Suns should be rested though, they only play half a game after all!

That said, beat Mavs and the Suns have proven themselves imo to some extent. They still have not won though. Beat Pistons/Heat as well and you definitely have.

Winnow:

I remember you thanking Dallas for Steve Nash I knew Dallas got Steve Nash from Phx but for this.

Selected by the Phoenix Suns in the first round (15th pick overall) of the 1996 NBA Draft. Traded by the Suns to the Dallas Mavericks for Martin Muursepp, Bubba Wells the draft rights to Pat Garrity and a first round draft choice in 1999 on 6/25/98. Returned to the Suns via free agency on July 14, 2004.

So we got him when he was cheap.


Ahhh Nevermind you fuckers got Marion with that draft pick.

Cartalas wrote: Ahhh Nevermind you fuckers got Marion with that draft pick.

Yep, that was the main thing we got out of the deal!

This is going to be a great series. Phoenix/Dallas has turned into quite a rivalry with the Nash/Dirk friendship thing and Nash/Finley/Jason Kidd that's been traded back and forth between the teams.

I'm sure Mark Cuban is dying to vindicate his decision to not renew Nash's contract and let the eventual 2X MVP go to the team that took them out in last year's playoffs.

I like Cuban for the stuff he did for HDTV in it's early years which, of course, has nothing to do with his basketball team! This series is great because I'll be happy with either team that emerges from the West to take out Mia/Det.

San Antonio can suck balls and I hope Phoenix meets them in next year's playoffs so I can watch Amare average 37+/gm again on Duncan but with Raja Bell instead of Q-Rich making the difference in the overall outcome.

Winnow wrote:
Wow, that's some serious whining!

How about:

Amare not even being in the line up this year, Kurt Thomas out the last two months and Phoenix is in the WCF vs Ginobili "not being himself" and Duncan having a booboo on this ankle...waaaaaaa!

It didn't take long for the San Antonio excuses to flow!

On the flip side, I'm liking all of these nice comments about Dallas so if the Suns take them down in this series, they'll get some VV cred.

You know for someone who's team was almost eliminated by one man you sure talk a lot of smack. Mavs vs. Spurs was great series and should have been the WCF, but hey that's neither here nor there.

Honestly I said from the begining if the Spurs were able to finish the first series early 4-5 games and had a chance to rest up Duncan and Ginobili they would have as good a chance as last year, they didn't and payed for it in the second round.

It will be interesting to see how the rest of the playoffs shape up.

Crav wrote:
You know for someone who's team was almost eliminated by one man you sure talk a lot of smack. Mavs vs. Spurs was great series and should have been the WCF, but hey that's neither here nor there.

"Almost" Are we talking horseshoes or hoops here? Since when does "Almost" matter in the NBA?

So how should Spus/Mavs have been the WCF if the Suns beat the Mavs? That would have meant that the Mavs wouldn't have made it to the finals to play the Spurs if you're going by what the playoff rules will be for next year. Can't rightly say until this next series if over.

Some predictions:

Sheridan: I expect we'll be seeing Phoenix and Miami in the finals. The Suns because it seems they're living a charmed postseason despite their fatigue and injuries (like the Sixers in 2001); the Heat because they're finally meshing after adding so many new faces. So two weeks from now I imagine we'll be talking about dusting off Brian Grant to play defense against Shaq, Dwyane Wade's slashing game versus Steve Nash's passing game and Raja Bell's chances of breaking Michael Jordan's finals record of six 3-pointers in one half.

Stein: West will be best. That's what I see in my (not-so-trusty) crystal roundball. Finally toppling San Antonio, combined with Detroit's increasing vulnerabilities, made Dallas my new favorites to win it all. If the Suns' team of four small forwards and three guards -- and maybe some Kurt Thomas -- can beat the Mavs after they've been dragged through seven-game marathons by the L.A. teams, Phoenix deserves to inherit the "favorites" tag. No matter how weary the Suns would be by then. The sad reality for Pat Riley, as hot as his Heat are starting to look, is that Dallas and Phoenix are the teams they match up worst with. I'll be first in line for the crow-feeding if the Heat can indeed dump Detroit, but that doesn't change my view that the West winner is headed for a parade.

I think most people can see that Miami doesn't match up well with Dallas or Phoenix. East coasters better hope Detroit can come back in their series to make the finals close!

God damn Phoenix. They now have a one point lead and have been beat almost all night by the Mavs. Damn they don't quit. COME ON MAVS!!!!

Harris is clutch!

Fuck Diaw

Suns 121 Mavs 118 (Phoenix leads series 1-0)



2 X MVP Nash 27pts, 16 assists (holy christ, what more do you want out of this guy?)

Boris Diaw...have I told you about this trade throw-in yet?

34 pts, 6 rbs (game winning shot with .5 seconds remaining)

Someone mentioned that the Suns only won one game decided by three points or less this year...(see score above) Did they handle the pressure ok?

Biggest thing in this game was the injuries that will affect the rest of the series. Raja Bell and Josh Howard's injuries look serious while Marion's ankle is sketchy.

Dump it down to Boris inside...Nash drive the the basket again and again and again...impressive that the Suns won the game with the three point shot taken away when they blew out the Clippers the previous game making 15 of them.

You've got to give D'Antoni huge credit for making adjustments...along with Nash being able to pick apart whatever the defense gives him...are you people ready to admit that Nash deserved the MVP award yet? It's ok if you're not...I understand. : )

This series is going six or seven games. The Suns had to have this one as we can't trade injured players with the deeper Mavericks so it's only going to get harder. Josh Howard/Raja Bell is not an even trade.

Winnow wrote:

Crav wrote:
You know for someone who's team was almost eliminated by one man you sure talk a lot of smack. Mavs vs. Spurs was great series and should have been the WCF, but hey that's neither here nor there.

"Almost" Are we talking horseshoes or hoops here? Since when does "Almost" matter in the NBA?

So how should Spus/Mavs have been the WCF if the Suns beat the Mavs? That would have meant that the Mavs wouldn't have made it to the finals to play the Spurs if you're going by what the playoff rules will be for next year. Can't rightly say until this next series if over.

And if if's and but's were candies and nuts..., shrug lets see The Mavs and Spurs had the two best records in the league, so that is how the Spurs/Mavs should have been the WCF.

Hey if the Suns win the west then more power to them, it's still to early to really give the advantage to either team. The Mavs made the mistake of playing into the Suns game and predictably they lost. We'll see how the rest of the series goes.

As far as the east, it seems the Heat are peaking at the right time, but again too early to really give the advantage to either team. As someone mentioned earlier the Pistons played horribly so we'll have to see if it was caused by the Heat or just on their own.

Didn't get to see the game since I am out of the country so how was it? Stats rarely tell the whole story. Howard is a HUGE loss for Mavs though. Huge.

it was an awesome game to watch. the pick and roll dunk marion got off was pretty much my favorite highlight, it was amazing. i'm a little worried about raja though, he probably won't be back for the rest of the series which kinda hurts.

With 20 or so seconds to go it looks like the Mavs are going to win, but I don't think they can feel good about this win at all. At no point were the Suns really ever out of it, and if not for a small, late surge, the Mavs would be down 0-2.

noel wrote:With 20 or so seconds to go it looks like the Mavs are going to win, but I don't think they can feel good about this win at all. At no point were the Suns really ever out of it, and if not for a small, late surge, the Mavs would be down 0-2.

This Series is going to kill me

Miami and Dwyane Wade have looked impressive so far.

I hope the Suns shoot the ball well tomorrow on their home court.

Hack a Ben worked wonders. If I were Pat Riley, I'd have the guys in my 8th-12th rotation use all 24 fouls on sending him to the line while Shaq is resting on the bench.

Kelgar wrote:Hack a Ben worked wonders. If I were Pat Riley, I'd have the guys in my 8th-12th rotation use all 24 fouls on sending him to the line while Shaq is resting on the bench.

Yeah, forgot to mention that. It's a crack up watching the east finals with both Shaq and Ben being crap free throwers. That's not going to happen vs the West where the Suns are the best free throw shooting team and Dallas is close to the top. (Phoenix shots 80% FT as a team at home) Diaw shoots 73% from the line and ranked 8th in the league in Field Goal percentage at .526. Dirk was 4th in the league in Free Throw percentage (Nash#1)

For those that don't think point differential is the key stat when evaluating a team and not how good their defense is, look at the top finishers in point differential this year:

1. San Antonio +6.81
2. Detroit +6.67
3. Dallas +6.07
4. Phoenix +5.54
5. Miami +3.86

Four of the top Five teams in point differential made it to the final four. With three of the top four being West Coast teams, at least one West coast team was going to have to be eliminated before the final four.

In some defensive areas, the Suns ranked high like Blocks per game:

1 Detroit +2.50
2 L.A. Clippers +1.80
3 Miami +1.75
4 Phoenix +1.58
5 San Antonio +1.51
6 Minnesota +1.18
7 Dallas +1.07

While in others, Phoenix was almost last like rebounds per game (28th in league) What does that say about rebounds? It doesn't matter if the team is leading the league in shooting percentage.

When Nash, Marion and Diaw are ranked in the top sixteen in the entire league for field goal percentage (Nash being 16th as a guard), good things are going to happen.

Three point shots are also another killer:

Three Point FG % rank in league:

3. Leandro Barbosa .444
5. Raja Bell .440
6. Steve Nash .439

Damn. Hard to defend against that kind of shooting while you also have Tim Thomas, James Jones .386 and even Boris Diaw (evey player on the court) that can shoot the three but both Tim Thomas and Diaw can also work the inside game using their speed along with Nash and Barbosa being able to drive to the hoop. It makes for some nasty nasty matchups once you throw Marion who can also score from anywhere.

Along with all of that firepower, you also have two ball distributers on the court almost all the time with Nash (10.5 assist per game) and Diaw (6+ assists per game as a forward/center)

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What's all this add up to? Well, so far, at least a trip to the WCF! I still think it's a coin toss between Phoenix and Dallas in the current series.



From ESPN:

By Bill Simmons
Page 2


Got a sobering e-mail from Mike in Vancouver this week: "Could you please stop the ongoing digs at Nash and his MVP award? You are starting to sound like Billy Packer railing against St. Joe's as a No. 1 seed or why there should be fewer mid-majors in the tourney. We all eventually become bitter, but could you at least wait until you get in your 40s?"



Wow. He played the Packer card. That's a wake-up call.



You know what? Mike is right: I need to let the Nash thing go. The NBA is clearly moving into a new direction -- defense doesn't matter as much, point guards matter more than they once did, and someone like Nash is twice as valuable as he was two years ago. Maybe he's not the best player in the league, but he's in the top five or six, and he's certainly one of the most fun to watch. He's also the best teammate alive -- for God's sake, he even rejuvenated Tim Thomas' career. I need to stop nitpicking with him. When Barkley gives him "that's one bad-ass white boy" status, that's saying something.



One more thing while we're here: Nash's supporting cast, even without Amare Stoudemire, is better than everyone thinks. Shawn Marion is a top-25 guy in his prime. Raja Bell is the evolutionary Bruce Bowen. Every team in the NBA would kill to have Boris Diaw, who can play four positions and doesn't need the ball to be effective; he's only 23 and getting better by the week. (He's a mortal lock for my annual top-40 trade value list this summer, by the way.) Say what you want about Thomas, but there are only a handful of forwards who can post up little guys, shoot 3s over big guys and guard both types of players. (If he hadn't been such a dog for the past nine years, he'd be in line for a $50 million contract after the playoffs.) And Leandro Barbosa is the most underrated player in the league -- he scores on everybody, heats right up off the bench (no small feat), plays both guard positions, carries the offense for quarters at a time ... and he's only 23. You're looking at this generation's Vinnie Johnson at the very least.



Here's the point: Maybe the Suns only go six deep, but they're all elite players who mesh perfectly together, and they have a world-class coach who gives his players the freedom to ad-lib (like when Thomas audibled out of the set play and passed to Diaw for Wednesday's game-winner).

I'm worried about not having Raja Bell again for game three. Barbosa is a great change of pace guy off the bench but is hit and miss as a starter.

Game three tonight has me worried. It's got upset written all over it. I don't want give up home court and be forced to win a game seven in Dallas.

I guess you missed when I corrected your original stat rankings way back on page one. Glad to see that you learned how to sort them though

Boogahz wrote:PHOENIX SUNS TEAM RANKINGS

Offense
1st - Points per Game 108.36 HME
3rd - Points per Game 102.81 OPP
4th - Winning Point Differential +5.54 (yeah, that's right..Spurs +6.81, Detroit +6.67, Dallas +6.07)
1st - Field Goal % .479 HME
16th - Field Goal % .454 OPP
1st - Three Point % .399 HME
10th - Three Point % .363 OPP
1st - Free Throw % .806 HME
30th - Free Throw % .731 OPP
1st - Assists per game 26.57 HME
25th - Assists per game 18.85 OPP

Defense...
28th - Rebounds per game diff -4.08
4th - Blocks per game diff +1.58
21st - Steals per game diff -0.51

Also
27th - Turnovers per game (low is good!) -1.58

Boogahz wrote:I guess you missed when I corrected your original stat rankings way back on page one. Glad to see that you learned how to sort them though

Boogahz wrote:PHOENIX SUNS TEAM RANKINGS

Offense
1st - Points per Game 108.36 HME
3rd - Points per Game 102.81 OPP
4th - Winning Point Differential +5.54 (yeah, that's right..Spurs +6.81, Detroit +6.67, Dallas +6.07)
1st - Field Goal % .479 HME
16th - Field Goal % .454 OPP
1st - Three Point % .399 HME
10th - Three Point % .363 OPP
1st - Free Throw % .806 HME
30th - Free Throw % .731 OPP
1st - Assists per game 26.57 HME
25th - Assists per game 18.85 OPP

Defense...
28th - Rebounds per game diff -4.08
4th - Blocks per game diff +1.58
21st - Steals per game diff -0.51

Also
27th - Turnovers per game (low is good!) -1.58

What's your point and what the fuck does that have to do with what I just posted?

Winnow wrote:

Boogahz wrote:I guess you missed when I corrected your original stat rankings way back on page one. Glad to see that you learned how to sort them though

Boogahz wrote:PHOENIX SUNS TEAM RANKINGS

Offense
1st - Points per Game 108.36 HME
3rd - Points per Game 102.81 OPP
4th - Winning Point Differential +5.54 (yeah, that's right..Spurs +6.81, Detroit +6.67, Dallas +6.07)
1st - Field Goal % .479 HME
16th - Field Goal % .454 OPP
1st - Three Point % .399 HME
10th - Three Point % .363 OPP
1st - Free Throw % .806 HME
30th - Free Throw % .731 OPP
1st - Assists per game 26.57 HME
25th - Assists per game 18.85 OPP

Defense...
28th - Rebounds per game diff -4.08
4th - Blocks per game diff +1.58
21st - Steals per game diff -0.51

Also
27th - Turnovers per game (low is good!) -1.58

What's your point and what the fuck does that have to do with what I just posted?

1) You stats were not the same the first time around.
2) I posted the same stats you mixed up last time, but in the right order
3) I posted MORE stats for the Suns than you did in your last post.
4) EAT IT WHITEY!

The Suns looked like complete shit in the third quarter.

Grats Dallas on the NBA Championship if Phoenix plays like that the rest of the way.

Winnow wrote:Grats Dallas on the NBA Championship if Phoenix plays like that the rest of the way.

Winnow dont Fret Phx is a great team this will go 7 games I just think Dallas has a little to much bench for ya.

Cartalas wrote:

Winnow wrote:Grats Dallas on the NBA Championship if Phoenix plays like that the rest of the way.

Winnow dont Fret Phx is a great team this will go 7 games I just think Dallas has a little to much bench for ya.

Mavs will win in 5 or 6.

I've seen shitty games from the Suns before in the previous series. It's not impossible for the Suns to win this but the Suns need to play more perfect than the Mavs do which clearly favors Dallas. The Suns are a "back up against the wall" kind of team so no matter how deep a hole they dig in this series, they're not out of it.

Dallas made some good adjustments tonight and were blocking the layups. Boris wasn't sharp from midrange and it wasn't a good three point shooting night which Dallas also had something to do with.

I didn't like what Tim Thomas did by walking through the gathered Dallas players although he may have been a little delirious after Josh Howard almost took off his head with the flagrant foul right beforehand.

I can almost feel a win or loss very early in the game and this game didn't feel good right from the start. No excuses though. If Dallas plays well, they have this year's trophy wrapped up. Can Pheonix get at least one out-of-bounds call go their way though?!

Miami Heat 3 Detroit Pistons 1...

It's like a slap in the face if Miami makes it to the playoffs and the Suns don't...dangling an easy Championship just out of reach for Phoenix due to a tough Western Conference. It's all about matchups.

Grats to Miami. They've surprised me. Dwyane Wade's on fire and Shaq looks like he's still got some gas in the tank.

I'm cheering for the Suns to make it...

Winnow wrote:...dangling an easy Championship just out of reach for Phoenix due to a tough Western Conference...

Clearly you live in a very strange world.

I'm not sure why you think Miami will be an easy matchup for Phoenix, but I think what you're seeing is a team that's peaking and gelling at the right time, not an easy Eastern Conference.

It's not going to be easy for the Suns until their players all get healthy and they learn to mix in some defense. Defense still wins championships.

Phoenix against Miami would be an interesting matchup. On one hand, Shaq wouldn't be able to guard anyone or keep up with the running. On the other hand, Phoenix has absolutely no-one to stop Shaq.

If you lose to Dallas and then start crying about how you're the second-best team in the NBA I'm going to vomit. You better take them to seven games if you plan on taking that route.

Finally, a fan of a team that has existed for 38 years without a championship ought to be careful about talking about 'easy' championships. There is no such thing.

Poor Pistons, what a terrible time for the team to implode.

hehehe