Re: I've been a vegetarian for two days.
Posted: June 1, 2011, 2:01 pm
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I don't see the idea that animals shouldn't be slaughtered for human consumption to be all that unreasonable.miir wrote:Do you actually believe this shit?
I hope not because I was starting to think you were a decent guy with reasonable opinions.
So did I. My understanding is that Spang is 30. Even with 30 being the new 20, you've got to stop the stupid at some point!Canelek wrote:*shrug* hell, I went through an idealism phase when I was in my early 20s. Many of us did. All part of th process. It is amusing, at least.Winnow wrote:If Spang isn't trolling, he's clueless. The only thing worth eating for him is his own vomit. Chow down.
There's nothing wrong with having that opinion but when you start comparing it to slavery and gender inequality (which are social behaviours) you come off sounding like a loony.Spang wrote:I don't see the idea that animals shouldn't be slaughtered for human consumption to be all that unreasonable.
My GIRLFRIEND and I try and buy organic most of the time, particularly from small producers, but when I see some of the Vegetable Box schemes I have to laugh. Yeah, their produce is organic, but it was shipped from Argentina, China and Colombia to Denmark. Ridiculous.Keverian FireCry wrote:It's buying local, sustainably farmed products that makes the biggest difference. Not whether it's an animal or plant.
If I eat meat from a local producer that raises it's animals using sustainable practices, I'm likely doing a lot less damage to land and to animals than if I'm buying products made from soy shipped from a giant farm in Brazil that used to be part of the Amazon rainforest. Factor in the fossil-fuel consumption to get the product your table, mistreatment of workers around the world, gene-modification/seed patenting by companies like Monsanto, etc. then you start realizing how bad vegan/vegetarian products can be themselves.
However if you're a vegetarian and are as zealous about where you're food comes from as you are about the fact that you're not killing cute fuzzy animals, then you're on the right path. Most vegetarians I know don't care about where it comes from, because they already feel good enough about themselves now that they've made the tremendous sacrifice of replacing their morning bacon with a soy-based product (grown in Argentina, processed in China, and packaged in Zanzibar).
Something you want to get off your chest about your GIRLFRIEND?Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:My GIRLFRIEND and I...
Sorry, kneejerk reaction from another forum.masteen wrote:Something you want to get off your chest about your GIRLFRIEND?Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:My GIRLFRIEND and I...
Today's pet being tomorrow's dinner used to be a fact of life, still is in many countries. Lots of areas in this country for that matter.Xyun wrote:I don't make friends with my food, you can be friends with my food though, I don't mind.
By posting an image of the new food plate and linking to the website?Chidoro wrote:What are you even trying to accomplish at this point Spang?
In general, not the stupid plate post, your point in general, to convert everyone, to prove you're right, what the hell is it at this point?Spang wrote:By posting an image of the new food plate and linking to the website?Chidoro wrote:What are you even trying to accomplish at this point Spang?
Provide a follow-up to an article Aabidano linked to earlier in the thread.
Yep yep. My mother-in-law used to do this with rabbits when she was growing up.Aabidano wrote:Today's pet being tomorrow's dinner used to be a fact of life, still is in many countries. Lots of areas in this country for that matter.
At this point, my point is to participate in the discussion like everyone else.Chidoro wrote:In general, not the stupid plate post, your point in general, to convert everyone, to prove you're right, what the hell is it at this point?
This is why my mom's cattle have been named things like "Lunch" and "Dinner." She made sure that the kids also knew what they were being raised for too. They weren't going to name them at all, but we figured that it couldn't hurt to get them to associate them in that manner early on. These were raised on my mom's land, and not in a feedlot. BIG differences. I grew up literally surrounded by cattle in feedlots and packing plants. I helped my dad with repairs inside two packing plants, and there was no way I would have actually worked there. Kills, generally, went very quickly, but there were times... I am still a bit picky when it comes to beef in general.Aabidano wrote:Today's pet being tomorrow's dinner used to be a fact of life, still is in many countries. Lots of areas in this country for that matter.Xyun wrote:I don't make friends with my food, you can be friends with my food though, I don't mind.
My kids saw their dinner "on the hoof" and being disassembled more than a few times. Yes that deer is pretty, makes a fine steak too.
Lot of folks keep them as they'll kill or run off coyotes & snakes whenever they get the chance.Boogahz wrote:The lawnmowers, donkeys, are the one set of animals I haven't figured out the use for out on her land.
133.Aslanna wrote:How many days has it been so far!
it's a lifestyle, you can't put a number on it, maaannnAslanna wrote:How many days has it been so far!
ohspang wrote:133.
Why is it that you believe that women aren't as intelligent or capable as men are? When did "retards" lose their motor skills? Do women and children no longer grow up to be adults? I personally find your sexism and discrimination against the handicap way more disconcerting than my desire to eat tasty hamburgers.Spang wrote:Animals aren't people, but they are sentient creatures. However, based on Mr. Maddox' logic, it should be acceptable to eat babies, children, women and retards.
Obviously he has the moral high ground over babies, children, women and retards... He's vegetarian!laneela wrote:Why is it that you believe that women aren't as intelligent or capable as men are? When did "retards" lose their motor skills? Do women and children no longer grow up to be adults? I personally find your sexism and discrimination against the handicap way more disconcerting than my desire to eat tasty hamburgers.
Women are just as smart and capable as men. Unfortunately, women don't run the planet, men do. Specifically, wealthy men. Wealthy men who don't give a shit about the planet. It'll be quite difficult for anyone to save the planet while those fuckers are allowed to do whatever the hell they want.laneela wrote:Why is it that you believe that women aren't as intelligent or capable as men are?
A lack of motor skills wasn't the only reason Mr. Maddox gave for slaughtering animals for human gluttony.laneela wrote:When did "retards" lose their motor skills?
Children do if you let them. Women are already grown up, that's why they're referred to as women and not girls; and certainly not ladies, bitches or hos because that's sexist. Animals can grow up and do great things too, if we let them. I mean, they're probably never going to save the planet, but neither are dolphins, penguins or pandas. There's a lot of humans who aren't going to save the planet, either. According to Mr. Maddox, we should be eating them.laneela wrote:Do women and children no longer grow up to be adults?
I apologize for the sexism and discrimination toward the handicapped, but I wasn't referring to the handicapped with the word retard. Sarah Palin, for example, is a retard. Her son Trig, not a retard.laneela wrote:I personally find your sexism and discrimination against the handicap way more disconcerting than my desire to eat tasty hamburgers.
Both should be vegan- and vegetarian-friendly.Leonaerd wrote:Spang, what about spirulina and chlorella, which are nutritional powerhouses and yet have meat characteristics?
Sentience is typically the deciding factor.Leonaerd wrote:Yet, algae is neither vege or vega. Sounds like vegan values crumble under the microscope.
I watched the video. Maddox was talking about the difference between humans and animals and why your logic that animals are sentient and therefore comparable to humans is faulty. His theory is that "people" are the only ones capable of stopping an asteroid from impacting the earth. He goes on to imply that what is required to help save the world is a "brain that can do math and handle basic motor skills". You are the one that inferred that women, children, babies and retards do not meet the requirements. And I did misspeak when I said "Do women and children no longer grow up to be adults?" I meant to say "babies and children". All I'm saying is that you can't possibly be on a moral high ground when you think so poorly of women, children and the handicapped.Spang wrote:Women are just as smart and capable as men. Unfortunately, women don't run the planet, men do. Specifically, wealthy men. Wealthy men who don't give a shit about the planet. It'll be quite difficult for anyone to save the planet while those fuckers are allowed to do whatever the hell they want.laneela wrote:Why is it that you believe that women aren't as intelligent or capable as men are?
A lack of motor skills wasn't the only reason Mr. Maddox gave for slaughtering animals for human gluttony.laneela wrote:When did "retards" lose their motor skills?
Children do if you let them. Women are already grown up, that's why they're referred to as women and not girls; and certainly not ladies, bitches or hos because that's sexist. Animals can grow up and do great things too, if we let them. I mean, they're probably never going to save the planet, but neither are dolphins, penguins or pandas. There's a lot of humans who aren't going to save the planet, either. According to Mr. Maddox, we should be eating them.laneela wrote:Do women and children no longer grow up to be adults?
I apologize for the sexism and discrimination toward the handicapped, but I wasn't referring to the handicapped with the word retard. Sarah Palin, for example, is a retard. Her son Trig, not a retard.laneela wrote:I personally find your sexism and discrimination against the handicap way more disconcerting than my desire to eat tasty hamburgers.
I never made that comparison. In fact, I said that animals are not people. However, just because humans can do so much more than other animals doesn't mean we should be slaughtering them for our gluttony.laneela wrote:Maddox was talking about the difference between humans and animals and why your logic that animals are sentient and therefore comparable to humans is faulty.
I never claimed to be on a moral high ground.laneela wrote:All I'm saying is that you can't possibly be on a moral high ground when you think so poorly of women, children and the handicapped.
Cuteness is where you draw the line, sentience is where I draw the line.laneela wrote:edit: And for the record, I would never eat a penguin. They are just sooooo cute.
Gluttony? Really? I mean I know you seem to like that word because it makes you seem superior and all but speak for yourself.Spang wrote:However, just because humans can do so much more than other animals doesn't mean we should be slaughtering them for our gluttony.
Happy to help!Definition of GLUTTONY
1
: excess in eating or drinking
2
: greedy or excessive indulgence
I use that word because it's accurate.Aslanna wrote:Gluttony? Really? I mean I know you seem to like that word because seems it makes you seem superior and all but speak for yourself.
My English requirement was fulfilled two semesters ago. The first English class, which I took in 2007 at a community college, transferred.Aslanna wrote:It plainly is not accurate. I guess you haven't finished your English classes yet. We'll wait.
Not in as many words, no. But let us not fuck around and pretend that this whole thread hasn't been about you trying to make yourself out to be. You have your personal reasons for not eating meat and that's phenomenal. I can give you a ton of delicious vegetarian and vegan recipes (I say they're delicious because of hearsay, I wouldn't touch that shit if they paid me to.) I'm sure every single person on this board is personally familiar with at least a handful of vegetarians and vegans. One of my best friends is a raw vegan, which I find bizarre but I don't believe it's my position to tell him what he can/cannot or should/shouldn't eat. Just stop preaching. It's totally unattractive and comes out really douchy. I bet if you dropped the holier-than-thou act, you'd find a lot of people a lot more receptive to what you're dishing out (I'd suggest wrapping it in bacon too for maximum efficiency)Spang wrote: I never claimed to be on a moral high ground.
I'm convinced that no amount of words will change your opinion of animals. Look, another one-liner.Winnow wrote:I'm convinced you're clueless.