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Wulfran wrote: Arizona losing to the Titans. Vince Young > Matt Leinart again :p I know the Titans are resurgent since the QB change back to Young but its hard to believe in the Cards when you see the inconsistency. Warner being hurt does make a difference, and at his age I wonder how much he'll be able to bounce back... concussions can be nasty.

Sucks that the Cardinals lost the game but i don't feel bad about their performance at all in that game. Tennessee has won 6 straight. They were expected to be a very good team this year and started off bad. Vince Young appears to have his shit together although he made a bad mistake before halftime, costing the Titans a field goal attempt.

Leinart at least showed signs of improvement in this game. He's looked horrible ever since his nice game in training camp. AZ needs Warner for sure. Another tough game is ahead of us with the (hand picked!) Sunday night game vs the Minnisota Favres but then they have SF (revenge game), Lions (lol) and Rams, finishing up with Green Bay at home. With SF two games back, I win vs them in week 14 should clinch the division.

Hay Seahawk fanbois! Wats up?

The Saints look unstoppable this year. Saints over Colts looks like the favored matchup for this years Super Bowl. If Warner doesn't break down, a Cardinals at Saints game will be fun to watch in the playoffs at some point.
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The Seahawks still have fanbois outside of OR/WA/BC? Lol. It sucks being in this region for football. Talk about an inferior product! I almost wish that they were still in the AFC West so at least I could take the booze train up to Seattle once a year. :)

Brees is a bad, bad man. They embarassed NE, straight up.

And yes, Wulfran and Kilmoll were right about the Cutler/Orton swap. I figured in his 4th year, Jay would start playing to his potential--and he was at first! Now, that 1st round pick from Chicago is starting to look pretty sexy, as long as they continue to lose. It would be nice to get a defensive stud in the first round next year.
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Even I didn't expect Arizona to hand Minnesota such an ass pounding tonight.
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Was an impressive win for Arizona for sure. A lot of good teams taken to task this weekend, was great.
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The Cardinals made Brett Favre look old.
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Yeah, the Cardinals are looking a bit better than I expected but I don't see them getting past the Saints or Vikings in the playoffs having to travel east to do it. Favre was due for one of these games after being like 24-3 (td-int) until that point...was impressive either way though.
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Taison Earbiter wrote:Yeah, the Cardinals are looking a bit better than I expected but I don't see them getting past the Saints or Vikings in the playoffs having to travel east to do it. Favre was due for one of these games after being like 24-3 (td-int) until that point...was impressive either way though.
Tha Cardinals match up well against the Saints or Vikings. The Colts kick our ass. P Manning's a smart QB along with those nasty outside linebackers. create big probs on offense and defense. Hope we get someone else besides the Colts in the Superbowl although I'll take anyone!
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Tha Cardinals match up well against the Saints or Vikings.
Not after tonight's performance.
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Gonzoie - Luclin wrote:
Tha Cardinals match up well against the Saints or Vikings.
Not after tonight's performance.
Hmm? What do the 49'ers have to do with the Saints or Vikings?

Cardinals looked horrible tonight. 49'ers have their number for some reason. Six turnovers. Crazy. Hightower, B. Wells, Boldin, Howling, Warner all fumbled. (All three RBs fumbled)

Except for Adrian Wilson, there's nothing good to talk about from that game except that 4 fumbles isn't the norm and 6 or 7 total turnovers, is going to take you out of any game.
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The difference between actual good NFL teams and the Cards is that good teams find ways to win when they aren't at the top of their game.

They are just barely gonna make the playoff in the weakest division in the NFL.
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Yeah the cards are lucky that the Viking D and 49ers shit the bed simultaneously last week, or they would not even be in a playoff spot, let alone leading their division. I wonder if Warner will thank god for that awesome performance last night. I wonder how a defense that allowed scarcely any running yards by Peterson coughed up over 100 to one back in the first half alone.

But all flaming aside, the Cardinals are not going to pull off what they did last year. The NFC playoff teams are not going to be the shoddy crap that they caught sleeping last year (except maybe the Eagles), but powerhouse dome teams playing in their home stadiums. I said it earlier, but physical teams tend to win down the stretch against finesse teams. This is why the 49ers have the Cardinals number. As the season wears on the players, toughness makes more of a difference than athleticism. This is why the Saints have looked vulnerable to weak teams the past couple weeks and New England has been struggling. I am sure the Cardinals will get into the playoffs (San Fran has made too many blunders), but they are playing Martyball this year (ie One and Out).
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miir wrote:The difference between actual good NFL teams and the Cards is that good teams find ways to win when they aren't at the top of their game.

They are just barely gonna make the playoff in the weakest division in the NFL.
Like the Vikings? oh wait, they got ass stomped by mediocre Arizona.

Colts and Saints are only teams this year. So there are only two good teams in the NFL? Isn't that kind of harsh?
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Winnow wrote:Like the Vikings? oh wait, they got ass stomped by mediocre Arizona.
Only in winnow-world is a 13 point victory an ass-stomping. :lol:

The Cards have had an easy schedule. They have beaten some average teams and been beaten by some average teams. Their single noteworthy victory has come against the Vikings.
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miir wrote:
Winnow wrote:Like the Vikings? oh wait, they got ass stomped by mediocre Arizona.
Only in winnow-world is a 13 point victory an ass-stomping. :lol:

The Cards have had an easy schedule. They have beaten some average teams and been beaten by some average teams. Their single noteworthy victory has come against the Vikings.

Please continue if you wish to embarrass yourself about the Cardinals/Vikings game and then I'll bust out the stats from it. But please! Continue!
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I assure you it wasn't as bad as 6 turnovers to the 49ers. On a brighter note, at least you have Detroit and St. Louis left out of your last 3 games.
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Gonzoie - Luclin wrote:I assure you it wasn't as bad as 6 turnovers to the 49ers. On a brighter note, at least you have Detroit and St. Louis left out of your last 3 games.
You sure about that? Stats soon! Unless they don't support my argument!
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Favre had 2 INT's and Tyrell Johnson, Vikings safety, had a fumble after picking off Warner.

Edit: Adding in Vikings vs 49ers for good measure. Favre had 1 INT and there were no fumbles for vikings that game.
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Gonzoie - Luclin wrote:Favre had 2 INT's and Tyrell Johnson, Vikings safety, had a fumble after picking off Warner.

Edit: Adding in Vikings vs 49ers for good measure. Favre had 1 INT and there were no fumbles for vikings that game.

Vikings Rushing vs Cardinals:

Chester Taylor 5 for 21 yards
Adrian Peterson 13 for 19 yards

AP wasn't hurt.

best rusher in the league got 19 yards on 13 carries vs Cardinals (note: that's complete and humiliating dominance)

Cardinals Rushing vs 49'ers:

B. Wells 15 for 79 yards 1 TD

hmmmm

And the less turnovers, the more humiliating the defeat it is for the Vikings since it puts more focus on their inability to move the ball instead of an unpredictable turnover.
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Winnow always turns these threads into nonsense about shitty Arizona teams. Why are we discussing the cardinals? They fucking suck. Last year was a fluke. Watching kurt warner play football makes my eyes bleed. I pray to a god i don't believe in for a career ending injury for that douche-nozzle jesus freak. The cards just looked awful, and guess what, they will have to host Green Bay the first game of the playoffs. Green Bay's defense is much like the 49ers, with very strong cornerback and safety play, and their offense is something to be reckoned with. The cardinals are fucked. The only reason they will get to play that game is that they are a mediocre team in a horrible division.

I'm hoping for an undefeated superbowl match up between the saints and colts. I realize it's a pipe dream, but every week we inch closer. I don't think either team will sit their stars for now since they have the bye anyway and will get the rest. My belief is every team should strive for perfection every week, and if they have a coach who hinders them or doesn't allow them to do that, he should be fired. I don't think Shaun Payton is that coach, and I hope Caldwell isn't.
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best rusher in the league got 19 yards on 13 carries vs Cardinals (note: that's complete and humiliating dominance)
I think you're confused.
The best rusher in the league carried the ball 18 times for 154 yards en route to a 20-17 ass pounding of the Cardinals.
You're right about one thing... that sure was complete and humiliating dominance.
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The Colts and Saints are in their own category, after that, there's another tier of teams that have a shot at the Superbowl that includes the Cardinals. Name one team other than Colts or Saints that hasn't had a humiliating defeat. I'll be happy to help you out with Green Bay's loss if you need a hint.

You fear the Cardinals because they are the most explosive of those teams that also have a defense that can turn it on at times and shut down high powered offenses. It's OK, I understand how it is, knowing AZ might pound your team on any given day while at the same time, might throw up a poor performance can cause anxiety on Sundays!
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So you actually think the Cards are a contender?
HAHAHAHHA, gimme a fucking break.
They have a mediocre record on a soft schedule.
I'm not saying they are awful.. they are just average.
Look at any stat that matters are the Cards sit pretty close to the middle.

They are gonna win the majority of games against sub .500 teams and may even pull off an occasional upset, but if you think that qualifies them as a contender, you're hillariously deluded.


Hey, I'm a Chargers fan...I know what it's like to have to cheer for mediocre (and downright awful) teams over the past 30 years. Stop trying to convince yourself (and others) that the 2009 Cardinals are a contender, you're only gonna be disappointed.
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Saints and Colts are the clear favorites. Cardinals sit solidly in the mix with the next group of teams. Not hard to grasp. Show me a team in that next group that hasn't suffered a crappy loss.

PS: The Cardinals were 20 seconds away from a Super Bowl victory last year and they're better this year.
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What terrible loss did the Chargers suffer?

And the Cardinals have certainly looked better during the regular season this year than last year. But they have yet to show the form that they demonstrated during the postseason last year. Doesn't mean that it won't come out again, just that they haven't shown it yet.
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Its kinda sad. My wife, 12 yr old step son and I were on our way home from the boy's Christmas concert and somehow the Browns came up and I said "they suck" which was promptly answered by the 12 year old's Winnow-esque logic of "we (the Steelers) lost to them so we suck worse"...and which led to the litany of bottom dwellers and under performers the Steelers have lost to this year: the Browns, the Raiders, the Chefs, the Ravens, the Bears. Its a sad state of affairs when you don't feel so bad about losing to the Bang-alls compared to everyone else you've lost to...
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Sueven wrote:What terrible loss did the Chargers suffer?

Wulfran did my job for me. Chargers lost to Pittsburgh who suck this year. See above. (yep, Cardinals did as well)
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Wrong winnow. Pittsburgh sucks without Troy. That is the single reason they are losing. They had Troy when they played Chargers.
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Gonzoie - Luclin wrote:Wrong winnow. Pittsburgh sucks without Troy. That is the single reason they are losing. They had Troy when they played Chargers.
he was gimpy already
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You can't compare a gimped Troy to a no Troy. He still played harder than anyone on his team. Your point is moot.
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Gonzoie - Luclin wrote:You can't compare a gimped Troy to a no Troy. He still played harder than anyone on his team. Your point is moot.

Did he even play? I don't even see his name in the defense stats for that game. Can someone confirm he played? No defense stats recorded?
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Hmm, you may actually be right. I could have sworn I watched that game with Troy in it. I still stand by my point that they are a completely different team without Troy.
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Chargers started the year with a number of key players injured or just coming back from injury.
Tomlinson was coming off an injury and Sproles was in the game for a handful of plays.
Cromartie, Phillips and Merriman were nowhere near 100% and the rest of the defensive line was sick with the flu.

So on a day when the Chargers had no running game (16 total rushing yards) and no defense, they still managed to keep it close.
They actually came close to winning the game on a late rally.

Not exactly a humiliating loss.
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H U M I L I A T I N G ! ! !

hehe, well AZ started out with both Boldin and Breaston injured which is not exactly helpful for a team known for their passing game. It took several games for them to get back healthy.

I can play the excuse game too!
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AZ also started out with a new defensive coordinator I believe, and they are just getting into their new defense. They are good, but to say they are even slightly under Saints or Colts or Vikings is still delusional. They may have had Vikings number on a bad day for the Vikings, but I wouldn't pay to go to a rematch.
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Winnow wrote:hehe, well AZ started out with both Boldin and Breaston injured which is not exactly helpful for a team known for their passing game. It took several games for them to get back healthy.
But nobody is trying to say that the first game vs the 49ers was a humiliating loss.
Nobody is accusing the Cards of being anything but medicore this year.

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Goooooo Cardinals!

I'm not hyping the Cardinals. I know their limitations.

There's no excuse for the lame performance vs the 49'ers. They were pumped up for the game and still bombed. If they tank@ Detroit this week it will be shameful.

I'm looking forward to the playoffs. Back to back Superbowl appearances would be nice!
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Winnow wrote:Chargers lost to Pittsburgh who suck this year.
They lost a close game to a mediocre team who was better at the time than they are now. It's not a good loss, sure, but it's hardly a "humiliating defeat."

And I'm not trying to argue that the Chargers are better than the Cardinals, or that the Cardinals suck, or that the Chargers have better losses than the Cardinals, or, in fact, anything about the Cardinals whatsoever. Just pointing out that the Chargers have quietly had a very impressive season.

My tiered rankings would be Indianapolis / New Orleans > San Diego / Minnesota > Arizona / Philadelphia / Green Bay / Cincinnati / etc.

And yes, I know that Arizona beat Minnesota pretty badly just a week and a half ago.
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Winnow wrote:I can play the excuse game too!
That's pretty much the only game you can play with the cardinals.

Anyway, Sueven I think you may be surprised by the Bengals/Chargers game. The Bengals are an emotional team and the death of Chris Henry may unleash a monster in Cincy. Even though I think the Chargers are a better team, I wouldn't be surprised by a Bengals route.
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Winnow, I'll give you some of what you think is your due: the Cardinals have played better this year than I thought they would. I thought their Superbowl appearance was a freak and they would come crashing to the earth hard. To this point they have played well enough to deserve a post-season berth. We can argue about relative weakness or toughness of schedules and all that but the bottom line is wins and losses, and Arizone has beat some decent opponents.

I don't think Arizona is an elite team: elite teams don't turn the ball over 5-7 times in a game which the Cards have on a couple occasions this year. I also think people underestimate the recovery Singletary is orchestrating in San Francisco: the 49ers are a team on the up curve... how much is yet to be determined but they are on the way up, which means Arizona's days off "gimme" division titles may be done.

I also think Polamalu's injury highlights how taking a star out of the mix can take a team down from very good if not elite, to mediocre. Its a thinner line in some cases than others but its a possibility for everyone.
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Fact: The Saints have the weakest schedule this year possibly in NFL history .394

Saints are the best in the NFC but I think we'll find come playoff time that they aren't as dominant as some think.

At this point, I'd pick the Colts as the Superbowl Champs.

As for the Cardinals, I know they aren't elite. They are certainly in the mix right behind the Saints (along with a pack of other teams) I disagree with Suevens tiers. Also, Philadelphia has quietly been coming on and may be the "surprise" team this year that there's not much talk about.

I'm pumped for the playoffs and glad the team I root for is in the mix!
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I would have to say the superbowl is going to be Vikes losing to SD at this point.....
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Jice Virago wrote:I would have to say the superbowl is going to be Vikes losing to SD at this point.....
"shirley" you can't be serious!

I'll note your prediction though.

Ill go with Cardinals losing to Colts in the Super Bowl.
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Two reasons (beyond personal bias) for this prediction:

I think the Saints have demonstrated themselves to be vulnerable to weak opposition (which comprise the bulk of what they have played this season) which is usually the sign of problems ahead in the playoffs. They also have yet to play a very physical defense backed by a solid running game, which would include the Eagles and Vikes. I see the Eagles giving them huge problems, for one.

On the AFC front, the Colts are kind of waning a bit down the stretch and have been dominant in very few of their games (half their wins being 4th quarter comebacks). Plus, the Chargers are on a tear right now and have always had the Colts number in the playoffs. Of all NFL teams, the Chargers are playing the best all around football right now and I see them having the most momentum in the playoffs. The Colts are good, but eeking out a 4th quarter win against a .500 team does not exactly show dominance at this point in the season.


That said:
The one Winnowgasm dream scenario I could possibly see the Cardinals eeking out the packers in the wildcard round and the eagles beating the giants in the same round. In the unlikely event that the Cardinals are somehow seeded higher than the Eagles, the Eagles would then play the Saints, which is a game I think the Eagles can win. The Cardinals would then simply need for Favre, Allen, Peterson, and the Williams Wall to die in a 5 car pileup on the I-90. Oh, and for God not to shit directly on Warner's forehead that particualr week....

This would place the Cardinals at home against the Eagles, which is a game I think they actually would win. Of course the odds of getting to that point are pretty much non existant. Which ever team wins the gimpy bowl between the cards and the pack is likely going to New Orleans for a very public ass whooping, as neither team has the physical game to take down the saints.
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For the record, here is how I see the playoffs going down, based on what we now know:

Wild Card Round:
NFC-
Giants lose to the Eagles
Packers at Cardinals, no fucking clue both teams randomly decide not to show up.

AFC-
Miami at Cincinatti, Miami wins
Ravens at New England, Ravens win

Division Round:
NFC-
Pack/Cards at Vikings, Vikings win at home
Eagles at Saints, Eagles win due to matchups and physical play plus Saints inexperience in the playoffs

AFC-
Ravens at Colts, Colts win as the Ravens can't keep up and the defense is too old.
Miami at Chargers, Chargers win big here

Conf Championships:
NFC-
Vikings over the Eagles

AFC-
Chargers over Colts

Superbowl:
Chargers win over Vikings
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Based on what we know?? We currently know the Eagles aren't in the wildcard and are leading the division, and for the history under Reid have played best in December. Usually coming from behind and pulling ahead in the division ( or at least locking wildcard ). I don't want to jinx my team going into the playoffs, but I would like to assume that the Eagles will win NFC East, due to Cowboys going to lose to Saints tomorrow and the Giants already 2 games back.

I like most of your predictions however.

Edit: Adding that the Saints also played the Eagles in the 2nd game this season and kicked their ass, but the Eagles tend to learn from their mistakes and don't repeat them again while facing the same team. The Saints do scare me a little, but I think we could edge out an offensive battle victory.
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I'm hoping for Colts/Saints in the Super Bowl after having perfect seasons, just so someone can win it all undefeated and I don't have to hear about those idiots in Miami breaking out the champagne each year after the final undefeated team loses.

I hope the shock of their stupid record being broken gives Mercury Morris a heart attack and finally kills him off so I don't have to watch an interview with him each year about how the '72 Dolphins are the greatest team ever and how awesome (in his mind) of a running back he was.
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This year has been weird. I have never cheered for the Cowboys in my life until this year, and I cheered for them in 2 games. Tonight, and a few weeks ago vs the Giants.

Thank god someone knocked the saints down a peg.
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Bah, now my hopes depend upon the Colts.

....and you should never root for Dallas and that goofy grinning jackass they have playing QB....he finally picks a game in December not to choke and it has to be against the Saints.
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I absolutely despise the Cowboys. I'm from Philly man! However, given the current rankings, and me having faith in my team, I could allow the Cowboys to win this game and not get worried about our playoff hopes. The Saints do not deserve to be undefeated. It is as simple as that. I have rooted against them every week for the past 5 weeks, and tonight it just happened to be for the Cowboys.

The only team that deserves to go undefeated, and possibly win the Superbowl, are the Colts. Granted they haven't played so well the past few weeks, with come from behind victories, but Peyton is still the best quarterback at picking apart defenses at the line.
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The Cardinals have clinched!

Amazing last minute win by Big Ben this week. Similar to his win in the Super Bowl.

Eagles are looking solid. DeSean Jackson is a major talent, while being a little dumb. (he's the guy that threw the ball through the end zone before crossing the goal line last year)

I hope the Cardinals don't lose the next two games playing it safe although it didn't seem to matter last year. They turned it on in the playoffs.

Um, Vikings 7, Carolina 26?

Please, no more talk about how great the Vikings are. They've been stomped twice now. AP 12 carries for 35 yards? I guess that's better than 13 for 19 vs the Cardinals...still though...lets hear your spin on it!

I don't want to see any tiers where the Vikings are above the Cardinals. Beanie Wells is looking like a Beast finally. You can see his talent if only he can overcome his fumbling issues. Too soon to tell since I think this is one of the few games he hasn't fumbled in.
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