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Attack of the neon lime green and purple twirling snowflakes! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!

I'd just like to add that if you think something is bad just because the government tells you it is without any personal experience, that's ignorance. Try something or don't, but if someone else does something that you aren't into, that has nothing to do with whether they are stupid or not, it just means they have different tastes than you.

I know that every one of you has some anecdotal (or urban legend) experience about the dude who was tripping and thought he was jesus and drowned in a lake when he tried to walk on water, but people do stupid shit all the time under the influence of legal, illegal, or no drugs at all. Far more people have hurt themselves or others under the influence of love or their jobs or a myriad of other reasons than will ever fall to drugs. We're people and that's mortality for you.

I have done LSD, ecstasy, shrooms and mescaline with many different people. All of them friends and always (or pretty damn close, I have gone for a walk or two or danced at a club once or twice) secluded from the general populace. The worst thing that has happened to me was that I had a bit of a hangover the next day. The best thing that has happened was that I (possibly) became a better person*. I have grown closer to many of said people by sharing intimate thoughts we normally wouldn't have divulged. I have laughed with them like I have never laughed before. I have seen how the simplest things can bring joy and it has made me strive to be a more positive and open-minded person. The bottom line is that I had always had fun, and that's really one of my main goals I'm striving toward in the short time I have on this planet.

Drugs certainly aren't for everyone. But then again... neither are EQ, driving an automobile, fatty foods, extreme sports, regular sports, alcohol, riding in an airplane, walking down the street or ANY-FUCKING-THING THAT ANYONE EVER DOES. There are inherent risks to every choice that anyone ever makes. As long as they weigh the pros and cons, try their best to avoid hurting themselves and others and have fun, I disagree that making any of those choices is grounds for calling them stupid.


*NOTE: Drugs do not make you a better person. In my particular case, they made me think differently than I was used to thinking and loosen some of my inhibitions. Your mileage will definitely vary.

Isn't LSD that stuff that damages your chromosomes and you can end up with deformed babies? I'm pretty sure I read something of the sort.
If so, why the hell even try it? Sounds waaaay too risky, to be permanently damaged for a brieff fling.

All hail the righteous gimp parade, wave at the timmy's timmy!

Is taking acid one time, as an experience, any way comparable to the time and effort wasted by some of you people on this stupid fucking game?

Hmm - one night of exteme hallucinations versus umm....thats right....maybe 4/5 years of 40/50 hours a week playing everquest just to get some damned piece of loot or suck some top guilds ass or be an up your own ass retard if you are in one of these guilds.

Yeah, i'm the one wasting my life.

Fucking hyprocrites of the highest order. Especially you Raistin, and I did tend to think you were a reasonable fellow.

Edit: To Gemily, I just wanted to give it a try I guess. If it harms me, I knew the risks. Since however the beers and cigarettes that I consume over the next 10 years will probably cause 10000% more damage to my system I thought I would 'take the risk'.

lol


hope you had a great time dude.

Teeny had an awakening.

LSD does not damage chromosomes in humans.

in mice if you give them a dose equivalent to 5000 times that a human would take (not scaled for the difference in body mass of the mouse either...i'm talking mg for mg)- so basically making the mouses blood volume like 2% LSD, i think they have some kind of 1/1000 chance of having chromosomal damage.

the above numbers are illustrative, and shouldnt be taken as me repeating somebody's results.

Great post sylvus =).

Jarori Bloodletter wrote:I've done acid many times in the past, smoked weed for many yrs< since i was 9> PcP,Shrroms <picked fresh in Tillimook>,Coke,etc even yes the BIG H...

DONT friggin do it, it CAN mess you up for life



PS,

Yes I am fine~

I think we need a second opinion.

Fucking hyprocrites of the highest order. Especially you Raistin, and I did tend to think you were a reasonable fellow.

Edit: To Gemily, I just wanted to give it a try I guess. If it harms me, I knew the risks. Since however the beers and cigarettes that I consume over the next 10 years will probably cause 10000% more damage to my system I thought I would 'take the risk'

I cant recall the last time I even spent more than 2 hrs a week playing eq. I tend to believe its been almost a year now. So before you talk, why dont you relize what your tring to say first.

My personal experience with my friends taking drugs, had showed me how stupid it is. You asked for personal reasons or what not to try it. I said my worth. If you think I attacked you, then cry some more. I cant help it if I clearly see the results first hand of what drugs has done, or can do. The last thing I need is a 16 year old kid telling me how much of a hyprocrite I am for playing a game with my friends, compared to fucking dropping acid. Give me a fucking break.You sir need to relize what little grasp you have on this thing call reality.


Everyone has a diffrent life style. Im just one who tends to get more out of life, with out drugs. If you feel so offended by that, then maybe you need to find something that makes you happy in life.I personally dont need to see purple snow flakes, feel "high" or act like a fucking retard just to enjoy my time.

Raistin wrote:Everyone has a diffrent life style. Im just one who tends to get more out of life, with out drugs. If you feel so offended by that, then maybe you need to find something that makes you happy in life.I personally dont need to see purple snow flakes, feel "high" or act like a fucking retard just to enjoy my time.

Raistin wrote:Thanks gang I shall drink one for you all, or maybe 2 or 3!

Pot, meet kettle.

its pretty funny how some of the largest anti-drug preachers are huge ass alcoholics

Toshira wrote:

Raistin wrote:Everyone has a diffrent life style. Im just one who tends to get more out of life, with out drugs. If you feel so offended by that, then maybe you need to find something that makes you happy in life.I personally dont need to see purple snow flakes, feel "high" or act like a fucking retard just to enjoy my time.

Raistin wrote:Thanks gang I shall drink one for you all, or maybe 2 or 3!

Pot, meet kettle.

haha, owned.

but getting drunk isn't substance abuse because the government tells me so!

I'm not going to make a judgement call...I think anything that makes one lose control of one's self is pretty damn useless. If you want to do them, go ahead...but stay home and throw the car keys somewhere that you won't find them until you are back to normal... the first son of a bitch that screws up someone elses life because they go on a bender and do something stupid is one sorry piece of human refuse. Yes, I may be a bit of a self control freak...but it is a screwed up world and I like to be in complete control of all of my faculties at all times.

Moon <----sleeps with one eye open

Yea I can compare hard drugs like acid to a few mixed drinks *white russians* over a long period of time.


Hahah owned.

Shut the fuck up

Pound a couple more back you fucking loud mouth; it'll make you look even more like you're not a dumb ass.

Wow that was good. I hope you didnt think of that all night. Once again you show how much out of reach you are with the real world. Go back to your book store and live in your own world.

It's my bookstore. Kyou just shops there.

Well thats ok then sir!

Raistin wrote:Wow that was good. I hope you didnt think of that all night. Once again you show how much out of reach you are with the real world. Go back to your book store and live in your own world.

Keep pounding that liquid courage; it's the only thing that gives you the balls to talk to your betters with such disrespect.

I appear to be still alive, although I did walk around lost in the city i've lived in for 19 years for about 6 hours earlier terrified......

i TOLD you to stay indoors! *slap*

Glad you survived your BRUSH with DEATH, ADDICTION and SATAN there, Teeny!

WTF I don't know why you guys are even trying to argue with tits like Venti who come here using terms like "drug pusher" (lol). All they have is government scare stories, ignorance and fear to go on. They recite the official line of bullshit like it's gospel (but press them on their beliefs and it's all "eerrrrrr, the news told me") as per usual. There is (as always) no middle ground. Just black/white, good/bad with us/against us and if you don't conform to their inculcated neurotic views there is just no hope of communication.

In fact just form your own rebuttal to my post by combining the following points in a post:
1) Polluting your body
2) Lose your mind
3) Die in a gutter
4) Abuse the body god gave you
5) Evil Drug Pushars
6) Drugs are bad, mkay? Pot, Heroin, Crack - no difference!!!!!

The person who came closest to fucking themselves up from my circle of friends but I'm still here. Every achievement in my adult and professional life was performed against a backdrop of recreational drug use. I've lost more friends to legally sanctioned alcohol than anything else. So yeah, take the government line on drugs and stick it where the sun don't shine.

I'm glad you had a good time Teeny! Wanderlust is a bitch while tripping.

Raistin is a mean drunk, he likes to beat me after a long night of pounding White Russians. =(

(Though I think it would take like 50 of them to even get a buzz.)

Also, I hardly think having two or three drinks in a celebratory manner (birthday) is anywhere quite as severe as a hit of acid - but that's just me!

Also, I hardly think having two or three drinks in a celebratory manner (birthday) is anywhere quite as severe as a hit of acid - but that's just me

Well lets compare like for like. A decent trip will be about 14 hours so lets compare that to a 14 hours drinking session.
- Physically there is no contest. A few hundred micrograms of LSD does _absolutely_ no physical harm. 14 hours of drinking is a lot of alcohol and we know that's bad.
- Mentally, after 14 hours drinking you are just as "out of it" as you would be on acid and arguably have less self-preservation instinct because of the nature of alcohol. LSD does many things and one of those is usually to put the fear of god into you.

So there. Scientific proof that I agree with my own opinions

But yeah nobody is comparing a couple of social drinks with dropping acid. You're not going to stop off for a quick half-tab on the way home from the office

I took a hit of acid at work once. Customers were fine but the staff told me the next day that I was talking to the ketchup bottles.

vn_Tanc wrote:But yeah nobody is comparing a couple of social drinks with dropping acid. You're not going to stop off for a quick half-tab on the way home from the office

Exactly. He never said "I'll drink for an hour, or maybe two or three!" ... we're talking individual drinks here, so the analogy doesn't really relate. =)

vn_Tanc wrote:A few hundred micrograms of LSD does _absolutely_ no physical harm.

There is quite a large possibility that you could do indirect physical harm to yourself, though. For example, you are tripping and running from the one eyed purple monsters that are chasing you through your house. In your madness, you decide the monsters must be slain so you grab a knife or gun and take it to them. Only later do you realize that one of the 'monsters' you killed was your roomie or friend or whatever. (Not to mention the mad buttsex you'd get in prison from bubba!)

Granted, this doesn't always happen, just as not everyone drives drunk - but I think the potential for something like that to happen is much larger than someone who has a few social drinks now and then. Hence, why it is higher up on my 'don't do it' list of stuff.




It's apples and oranges, anyway.

The original quote was:

Raistin wrote:
Everyone has a diffrent life style. Im just one who tends to get more out of life, with out drugs. If you feel so offended by that, then maybe you need to find something that makes you happy in life.I personally dont need to see purple snow flakes, feel "high" or act like a fucking retard just to enjoy my time.

How is alcohol NOT a drug?

I can't seem to remember the last time anyone died from trying their first beer. I am not even going to start on the milder drugs, but if you are hitting heroin, crack, exctasy, cocain, LSD, etc , then you are an absolute idiot.

It doesn't suprise me one bit that you were a dealer Xyun. You have shown to be a complete ass in every facet since you started posting. I hope you realize you are part of what causes more problems in the US. You sure do love it here don't you? Fucking pathetic piece of shit.

Xyun wrote:I took a hit of acid at work once. Customers were fine but the staff told me the next day that I was talking to the ketchup bottles.

I had a fantastic conversation with a cow this one time after picking shrooms in her field.

Skogen wrote:How is alcohol NOT a drug?

I don't think anyone would try and argue that it can't be abused as a drug.

But I also think that anyone who says alcohol in small amounts is as bad or worse than acid in small amounts is grasping for straws.

Eddie Izzard wrote:So, per - you know, perjury, umm, you know. If you commit perjury, I - I don't care. Don't give a shit. I don't think you should because you grade murder. You have murder one, murder two. You realize that there can be a difference in the level of murder. So there must be a difference in the level of perjury. Perjury one is when you're saying when you're there's no Holocaust when, you know 10 million people have died in it, and perjury...nine, is when you said you shagged someone when you didn't.

There are different levels of 'this will fuck you up', too. And as far as 'responsible' use goes, alcohol would be near the bottom of my list (perjury nine) and acid would be somewhat higher (perhaps perjury four, or three maybe).

There is quite a large possibility that you could do indirect physical harm to yourself, though

And just the same with alcohol. Like thinking it's a great idea to go climbing on the local school roof when youre so drunk youre seeing double and very nearly fall to your death. Or to hitch a ride on the roof of your friend's car, then fall off and suffer permenant brain damage. Both true stories about people I know.

I can't seem to remember the last time anyone died from trying their first beer. I am not even going to start on the milder drugs, but if you are hitting heroin, crack, exctasy, cocain, LSD, etc , then you are an absolute idiot

True but separate the causes. One beer won't give you a toxicological problem like crack, heroin and cocaine can. You can't take enough LSD to poison yourself, and I'd wager the instant-death-from-allergy rate with Ecstasy is about the same as it is with beer or peanuts.
Indirectly there's not much in it. I'm sure plenty of people got drunk enough off their first beer to become stupid enough to cause themselves harm. It doesn't make the headlines though because there hasn't been a "War on Beer" for a long time.

No matter which way you cut it, toxicologically, sociologically, risk v reward, pretty much all drugs, legal or otherwise are about the same. Do too much or too carelessly and they'll fuck you up good and proper. We just have a society that places different value judgements on each of them and legislates accordingly. Then starts a program of propoganda and ignorance that prevents meaningful discussion and research on the topic to the detriment of everyone but that's a rant for another day.

Oh yeah, undersand that Zoocow. My point was there is hypocrisy in saying "I don't do drugs" or "People you use drugs are losers" etc., and then they have a drink (somehow it being legal makes it ok, but mary jane is baaaaaaaaad!). Alcohol can be a slow death. Alcoholism sneaks up on people, and before they realize it, it has them. It destroys your life first, then it takes it.

and Tanc is right. How many peopke have died / permantly injured themselves due to doing stupid-ass shit when drunk? COUNTLESS.

i partied my ass of in college (in Miami) and the only 2 times i ever was in a hospital with a friend was because they had had too much to drink.

that is actually the biggest problem with alcohol, the amount the toxin you have to ingest to get a large psychological effect. Now in my "old age", like Tanc the drugs are a thing of the past, and though i dont drink a ton, 2 and half glasses of wine is the kind of buzz that really does it for me.

it is splitting hairs to say which is worse than which. I have made more bad decisions with alcohol than any other drug i've done. From driving to having unprotected sex with people i didn't know.

If somebody wants to rationalize that alchohol isnt dangerous, that's fine. Same with drugs. But the truth is there are inherent risks in both, and you have to take responsibility for your behavior choice in either regard.

You have shown to be a complete ass in every facet since you started posting. I hope you realize you are part of what causes more problems in the US. You sure do love it here don't you? Fucking pathetic piece of shit.

I am 19, k!

My only view on drinking and drugs are what has happend to me, my friends, or parents that Ive known though out mylife.


Yes drinking can cause a lot of harm. Ive seen a husband beat his wife and son, then come after my friend and I since we were staying the night over there. Was scary as hell. Yet I found out that wasnt his first time beatting his wife and step son.


Ive seen people act stupid running around just laughing when drunk. Ive seen people start fights due to being drunk.


These are also the people who have issues and are addicted to drinking. They are no better than "hard" drug users. They both have issues.


As a teenager going though middle school and highschool. I knew MORE people who were addicted to pot/acid/h/coke than to drinking. NOT one of them made it though highschool. They either are dead now, never finnished highschool/ or get a GED, have some craptastic job, or still living at home. These are the same kids I grew up with from Elm School, all the way up to 10th grade, when the last one finally dropped out. Out of everyone of them that I knew, only one had a issue with drinking, and that was because he went to school drunk, was kicked out and went no where.

Only one out of the bunch I grew up with do I talk to. Everytime I see him, I just smile to myself and thank myself for having the will power to refuse falling in to their way.


People who use drugs are losers? No, some can control it. Its the people who are addicted to it, or just "use" them to enjoy their life better need help because they are losers. Along with people addicted to drinking.


Tring to convice a majority of people that a Hit of acid is the lesser of evil of drinking 3 or 4 drinks over a 3 hr peroid than you are saddly mistaken and a total fucking dumbass.

Raistin: It's easier for kids to get drugs than is is for them to get cigs or booze. This is because there are no governmental regulations to restrict it.

So of course most of the underage abusers are using pot, coke, ect.

Underage users are a problem that the gov't cannot address because the whole drug subculture doesn't exist to the gov't as anything other than criminals. All the education programs I see are still using the same bullshit propaganda that began in "Reefer Madness."

People who use drugs are losers? No, some can control it. Its the people who are addicted to it, or just "use" them to enjoy their life better need help because they are losers. Along with people addicted to drinking

Yep

Tring to convice a majority of people that a Hit of acid is the lesser of evil of drinking 3 or 4 drinks over a 3 hr peroid than you are saddly mistaken and a total fucking dumbass

Yep. But trying to say its "more of an evil" is pretty daft too.

It makes me laugh that by saying the encouragement of acid use is fucking lame, caused Kyoucan to whip out the "hillbilly redneck ultra christian, whatever, blah blah."

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Kyoucan you'll get the memo as soon as I give a fuck

I am finally going to post on this, mind you none of what I say is things *I* have done, but we will call my friend "Bill", "Bill" has lots of knowledge. He took his first acid trip at age 10 and took a great many acid trips, in the neighborhood of 850 (not a crowded neighborhood, but he has neighbors). By the time he was 19 he was a small time chemist, enough to live a comfortable life but certainly no Owsley or to be more current Leonard Pickard. In all that time he NEVER had a bad trip, and he never cut his drug with any form of speed or other additive. See that's an issue, the most expensive white powder there is is not cocaine, it's LSD, 1 gram of crystal used to cost around $2,600 (makes 10,000 hits) and since Leonard got arrested, closer to double, or so my friend hears. You should NEVER buy LSD from anyone you don't trust, the effects of the "cut" can make even the strongest of minds stumble and make a bad trip all the more likely. As stated before, trip in a comfortable surrounding, with people you trust and not too many of them. My friend even would suggest having a "guide", someone who has taken LSD more then a few times, who would not take it with you, but be there for you to lead you thru what is to come, LSD opens Doorsin the mind, these Doors once opened, stay open, to some extent you can choose which Doors you wish it to open, others will just be opened on their own. LSD should not be thought of as a recreational drug, it is far too intense for that, it can be the greatest thing in the world, or rape your brain.

To add a footnote "Bill" has been sober over 4 years now

Venti wrote:It makes me laugh that by saying the encouragement of acid use is fucking lame, caused Kyoucan to whip out the "hillbilly redneck ultra christian, whatever, blah blah."

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Kyoucan you'll get the memo as soon as I give a fuck

It took you an addtional two and a half days to think that up?

Good lord dude have you been stewing about this all weekend? You have, haven't you?

I fucking hate bible pushers.

Who is a bible pusher?

kyoukan wrote:

Venti wrote:It makes me laugh that by saying the encouragement of acid use is fucking lame, caused Kyoucan to whip out the "hillbilly redneck ultra christian, whatever, blah blah."

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Kyoucan you'll get the memo as soon as I give a fuck

It took you an addtional two and a half days to think that up?

Good lord dude have you been stewing about this all weekend? You have, haven't you?

wow, I never knew LSD and drugs was such a popular subject

Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas owns btw ~ and this happy face is wearing aviators

kyoukan wrote:

Venti wrote:It makes me laugh that by saying the encouragement of acid use is fucking lame, caused Kyoucan to whip out the "hillbilly redneck ultra christian, whatever, blah blah."

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Kyoucan you'll get the memo as soon as I give a fuck

It took you an addtional two and a half days to think that up?

Good lord dude have you been stewing about this all weekend? You have, haven't you?

HAHA

VV is good for sitting on hold periodicly at work. Having said that, I didnt sit at home smashing F5 all weekend looking for something to do.

Some people are so touchy about all this. Like Kilmoll who shall remain nameless.

Not you, rais. But I can find a reason to hate you too if you like. :P haha :D

Teenybloke wrote:Some people are so touchy about all this. Like Kilmoll who shall remain nameless.

Yeah. I made one post in 3 pages because I am so touchy about some fuckwit in Ireland dropping acid. My comments were mostly directed at a piece of shit who dealt drugs on the streets of the US and still somehow had the gall to post anti-American epitephs when he has done more to ruin lives than any 25 soldiers who went to Iraq.

I do, however, reserve the right to label any of you assholes who ram needles into your arms and snort shit as worthless pieces of whale shit when you end up costing me cash on taxes because you can't live like normal fucking law abiding productive citizens. I love the argument of how "if you haven't tried it then you should" and the "you can't pass judgement if you haven't done it". I have never stuck my dick in a blender either, but I damn well know that bad things could result from it. It could be the greatest sexual pleasure known to man....but I would rather be safe than find out.

Haha, gurning about your taxes? Poor Kilmoll, cry me a river, I'm not even in your country.

Btw, no one was talking about snorting or injecting anything either, so grats reading!

Also....dry your eyes

My comments were mostly directed at a piece of shit who dealt drugs on the streets of the US and still somehow had the gall to post anti-American epitephs when he has done more to ruin lives than any 25 soldiers who went to Iraq.

You're goddamn right I have the gall to post whatever the fuck I want. It's called freedom, motherfucker, and I exercise it thusly. I am more American than you will ever hope to be you racist hillbilly. I know it gets under your skin that a camel jockey is over here "ruining" people's lives by giving them what they want. No one has died from any of my actions, ever. Can the same be said about your beloved troops?

Even though I'm brown and hairy, I am still the future of this country, and you are the bigotted benighted segregationist past. Hold on to your cretinous values with fervor and fight for them with dear life bitch. They, like the rest of your kind, are a rare endangered species. And no matter how much holier-than-thou KKK-driven 19th century gospel you spew here or anywhere else, you are powerless in your efforts to reverse the evolution of human thought.

I would rather be safe than find out.

I would rather find out than be safe.