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Pilsburry wrote:I didn't say more than 1%, I said more of a 1%...

As in closer to 1% then someone else, it's a stupid sticking point though, those aren't actual statistics.

I was just trying to point out that statistically a middle eastern descent man in his 30's is more likely going to hijack a plane then my grandmother who is near 80 yrs old, female, and caucasian.

What Kyo?

Kelshara wrote:Actually the rest of your inane drivel wasn't even worth it. If you have ever been on a long-distance flight (12+ hours) you know that your carry-on is invaluable. And that is all I have to say about your BS.

Midnyte.. you are a racist, ignorant scumbag, and I am ashamed you breathe the same air I do. You are a perfect example of why people dislike Americans.

You have just proved my point about labeling people. Thank you. You would have had a great time during the Salem Witch days or the McCarthy days.

Actually, according to your own dipshitical ramblings, he is not a racist in the least. He is biased against people from certain religions, but NOT a racist. Get your own hypocritical problems out of the way before you retards start throwing out terms and expecting everyone else to figure out what you mean this hour.

Og gawd Kilmoll the Stupid decides to pipe up.

The way he uses a racist word (raghead is nothing but racist you moron) labels him a racist by his own words. He puts the label on himself by using it, it was his choice, I did not label him in any way.

And considering I am pretty much on the completely other side of McCarthy etc I highly doubt that.

Now go and spread your racist BS some more, I am sure you will find some idiots who agree with you and who will stroke your ego.

Kelshara wrote:Og gawd Kilmoll the Stupid decides to pipe up.

The way he uses a racist word (raghead is nothing but racist you moron) labels him a racist by his own words. He puts the label on himself by using it, it was his choice, I did not label him in any way.

And considering I am pretty much on the completely other side of McCarthy etc I highly doubt that.

Now go and spread your racist BS some more, I am sure you will find some idiots who agree with you and who will stroke your ego.

You said stroke

Oh really? And what race exactly is it that require a turban? Dumbass.

**psst**


Middle-Eastern is not a race.


Duh!

Why is profiling good? Because when my grandma got searched to board the airplane on the way down to Atlanta, and some middle eastern guy didn't.....that was just utterly stupid

Was the middle eastern fellow a buddhist, sikh, christian, hindu, jew or muslim? How many middle eastern sikhs or buddhists have hijacked planes?

Racial profiling works if the target group is easily identifiable.
Religious profiling doesn't work.

I'm sorry your friend felt afraid to go to his mosque, but that has nothing to do with racial profiling

Racial profiling combined with ignorance breeds racism.
Your ingorance is proof.



The point is that 'muslim extremists' are not a race.
You cannot profile a segment of people that are not visually identifiable.

Earlier in the thread people brought up the shoe bomber and an example of racial profiling. The same people completely ignored that Richard Ried is not even middle eastern. Even if 1 potential terrorist is african, asian, mullato or caucasion they have to be included in this 'racial' profiling.

Towel-head, while insensitive, is not racist. I used the term because it is effective and draws the readers imagination directly to the image I was trying to portray.

If I called a group of people niggers, pakis or chinks would I be able to use that same excuse?




This whole conversation is ridiculous.
Airlines need to practice dilligence when it comes to security checks.
There is no need for racial, sexual or religious profliling.

Sept 11 happened because airlines became lax and sloppy in their security checks.

Racial profiling has not prevented any hijackings or terrorist actions.

Stringent searches of all passengers boarding planes is the only effective deterrent to terrorists.

http://www.understanding-islam.com/rela ... on&did=278

Next time you want to pipe up with something kelshara, maybe you can get a man to do some thinking for you and let you know what you want to say.

Sikhs wear turbans.

There's about 25 million of them around.

Most of the 'towelheads' you see are probably sikhs.


Go up and ask the next towelhead you see if he is sikh or muslim.

Look up how many terrorist acts sikhs have been involved in.

Miir wrote:

If I called a group of people niggers, pakis or chinks would I be able to use that same excuse?

I wouldn't be offended. I am neither of those though. I also wouldn't be offended if you said Dego's or Guinea's, which I am one of those. I prefer to see past that stuff and try to understand what it is you are saying. I prefer that outlook and find it to be mroe constructive than hearing a buzz word and closing off my brain to what is truly being said.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Racist

Racist

adj 1: based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks" 2: discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion [syn: antiblack, anti-Semitic, anti-Semite(a)] n : a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others [syn: racialist]

Racist is not limited to hatred against another race, which anyone with any world experience knows perfectly.

And Kilmoll, as I said in another thread: I am male. But thanks for playing!

Kelshara wrote:http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Racist

Racist

adj 1: based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks" 2: discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion [syn: antiblack, anti-Semitic, anti-Semite(a)] n : a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others [syn: racialist]

Racist is not limited to hatred against another race, which anyone with any world experience knows perfectly.

And Kilmoll, as I said in another thread: I am male. But thanks for playing!

Again thanks for proving my points for me. You see anywhere in this thread where I said a certain race is superior to another one. Fucking get off it already and try to discuss the issue at hand. Boy, you're thick-headed.

The issue at hand is that you are an ignorant moron, and your ignorance clouds your vision. Why even bother arguing about that? It is quite clear to the rest of us.

Meriam Webster
Main Entry: rac·ism
Pronunciation: 'rA-"si-z&m also -"shi-
Function: noun
Date: 1936
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination


Main Entry: ra·cial
Pronunciation: 'rA-sh&l
Function: adjective
Date: 1862
1 : of, relating to, or based on a race
2 : existing or occurring between races

Oxford

racism
noun 1 (prejudice based on) belief in superiority of particular race. 2 antagonism towards other races. racist noun & adjective.



racial
/"re()l/ adjective 1 of or concerning race. 2 on grounds of or connected with difference in race. racially adverb.


Cambridge

racism, British dated racialism
noun
DISAPPROVING
the belief that people's qualities are influenced by their race and that the members of other races are not as good as the members of your own, which results in the other races being treated unfairly


Encarta

ra·cism [ ráy sìzzm ]
noun

1. animosity toward other races: prejudice or animosity against people who belong to other races


2. belief in racial superiority: the belief that people of different races have different qualities and abilities, and that some races are inherently superior or inferior


Wordsmyth

racism
Pronunciation re sih zEm
Definition 1. the theory or opinion that a certain race or races of people, usu. one's own, are superior to others because of certain inborn characteristics.
Definition 2. any policy or practice based on such a theory or opinion.



Just because you are a retard that uses a retarded dictionary, don't expect me to believe what you post.

Kelshara wrote:The issue at hand is that you are an ignorant moron, and your ignorance clouds your vision. Why even bother arguing about that? It is quite clear to the rest of us.

Actually it's the concept of racial profiling. /pity Kelshara

Actually, the issue being discussed here is racial profiling as it affects airport security.


Your personal crusade seems to be something completely different.



Profiling is good security. Sorry you don't like it. Tell you what, why don't you take it up with the next security officer that demads you stop for a search? I'm sure your outrage will amuse them.

Pity me all you want, you brought up the racial slurs so you got called on it. Too bad your whole defence crashed and therefor you had to change the topic back again.

Considering I don't fit into the profiel (white, male, blonde, blue eyes) me being stopped by a security officer would have nothing to do with profiling whatsoever.

**watches the point whoosh over Kelsharra's head**

Keep slinging that word racism, though. Nothing brings clear thought and intelligent debate about like misusing sesitive words in new and creative ways.

Fallanthas wrote:Profiling is good security. Sorry you don't like it. Tell you what, why don't you take it up with the next security officer that demads you stop for a search? I'm sure your outrage will amuse them.

I beg to differ.
There is nothing to suggest that profiling (racial or other) is an effective deterrent to terrorism.

Racial profiling has not prevented any terrorist attacks.
Racial profiling has not resulted in the incarceration of any alleged terrorists.

"Racial profiling has not prevented any terrorist attacks.
Racial profiling has not resulted in the incarceration of any alleged terrorists."

Shakes magic eight ball....to early to determine

miir wrote:

Fallanthas wrote:Profiling is good security. Sorry you don't like it. Tell you what, why don't you take it up with the next security officer that demads you stop for a search? I'm sure your outrage will amuse them.

I beg to differ.
There is nothing to suggest that profiling (racial or other) is an effective deterrent to terrorism.

Racial profiling has not prevented any terrorist attacks.
Racial profiling has not resulted in the incarceration of any alleged terrorists.

You don't know that. So please don't spout it like it is fact. Plus, the security people and their PR people would never tell the public that it was profiling that lead them to interrogate someone. /commonsense on

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:

miir wrote:

Fallanthas wrote:Profiling is good security. Sorry you don't like it. Tell you what, why don't you take it up with the next security officer that demads you stop for a search? I'm sure your outrage will amuse them.

I beg to differ.
There is nothing to suggest that profiling (racial or other) is an effective deterrent to terrorism.

Racial profiling has not prevented any terrorist attacks.
Racial profiling has not resulted in the incarceration of any alleged terrorists.

You don't know that. So please don't spout it like it is fact. Plus, the security people and their PR people would never tell the public that it was profiling that lead them to interrogate someone. /commonsense on

You just now turned your common sense on? No wonder!

lol very good Vetiria. It was more or less my recommendation that others turn theirs on.

The simple fact is, you have, and continue to make racist comments. You repeatedly refer to Arabs, and people of Middle Eastern descent in a derogatory fashion, as far as I'm concerned that makes you a racist. Go back and reread some of your own posts and substitute nigger or kike in place of towelhead and then tell me they don't sound like racist statements. Self justification is always easy, and you appear to have had a lot of practice.

2 of my closest friends are Lebonese and Afhgani. You just have to stop looking for buzz words. I use buzz words, because I refuse to conform to this idiocy of sensitivity. I will continue to do so. Move beyond the symbolism and concentrate on the substance.

You don't know that. So please don't spout it like it is fact.

Show me an incident where a potential terrorist was apprehended in an american airport.

C'mon, prove me wrong.

miir wrote:

You don't know that. So please don't spout it like it is fact.

Show me an incident where a potential terrorist was apprehended in an american airport.

C'mon, prove me wrong.

Re-read what I said pls. The entire thing. Then buy a Jump to Conclusions board game, made by makers of Office Space, mmmkay.

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:

miir wrote:

You don't know that. So please don't spout it like it is fact.

Show me an incident where a potential terrorist was apprehended in an american airport.

C'mon, prove me wrong.

Re-read what I said pls. The entire thing. Then buy a Jump to Conclusions board game, made by makers of Office Space, mmmkay.

I read what you posted, and I stand by my statement that racial profiling has not been responsible for any apprehension or incarceration of any potential terrorist.

Racial profiling did result in the detention of 4 alleged terrorists a few months back but all parties were released with no charges laid.

Pilsburry wrote: Why is profiling good? Because when my grandma got searched to board the airplane on the way down to Atlanta, and some middle eastern guy didn't.....that was just utterly stupid.

Why is this stupid? For all I know your grandmother used to be a militant Nazi supporter. She could have a history of served jail time for violent crimes and an expert on bombs. She could be a child molester. She is just as capable of committing a crime on an airplane as anyone else. How do I know that she is "safe" simply by her color?

Racial profiling doesn't do a bit of good and anyone who thinks it does is stupid. You cannot profile a person's actions based on their color. The people who try only come off as unintelligent and uninformed. I really would rather not leave my safety to the unintelligent and uninformed.

If you are going to profile, profile on things that matter, such as political or religious affiliations.

Profiling has been in use for decades.

Race isn't the only factor.

Grats you latecomers on a subject you know fuck and all about.

miir wrote:Sikhs wear turbans.

There's about 25 million of them around.

Most of the 'towelheads' you see are probably sikhs.


Go up and ask the next towelhead you see if he is sikh or muslim.

Look up how many terrorist acts sikhs have been involved in.

perhaps you should refine, Sikhs are from asian india. Indians wear turbins too.

http://www.naatanet.org/shopnaata/video ... rbans.html

I know an Indian Sikh that owns the corner market down the street from where I live. After the 9-11 his store was constantly vandalised windows broken out grafitti sprayed etc. etc.

Eventually he got a big sign and painted I AM INDIAN on it. I felt real sorry for him. He stopped wearing his Turbin and now wears a baseball cap.

Racial profiling I dont think is the answer to any problem. I cannot offer a solution. I can offer a past incident where racial profiling should have taught us a lesson. I dont think it did us or the world any good to line a race up and march them to the incinerators.

Our world is in deep shit right now. Its been escalating ever since the first one of us walked out of a cave and decided his hands were made for something other than stroking pole.

There was a time when "its a small world" was used in amazment, now it is fact. Our world has become "small" People and information are as close as the nearest airport or computer console.

I dont know about many others but I am afraid, afraid for my children, the prospect of their future seems very dim to me.

So you making up races now Kargyle?


Two of the three slurs you just named have nothing to do with race.

Like I said, self justification is easy, if you want to convince yourself that those aren't racist terms that is your right. However, I would like to point out that they are all accurate as far as being racial slurs. Nigger, while originally meaning a person who is ignorant, is now universally known to be a racial slur for black people. Kike, like wise, is a known term for a Jew. Now you could argue that the Jew is no longer a race, and there is basis for that. But, you can also argue that the term Jew not only refers to a religion, but to the peoples of the tribes of Judea, which would make a pretty strong argument that Jews could be considered a race. Obviously towel head is a term used to specify someone of middle eastern decent, be they arab, indian, pakistani, or whatever. Now I could point out that those could be classed as seperate races, but I think that is just further evidence of the ignorance of the people that prefer to throw the term around. Either way, the intention is always to belittle the person (race) you are speaking about, so I'd say they all qualify as racial slurs.

To you retards who are all gung-ho on racial profiling, why don't you take a page right out of world war 2 from your own history and run around and lock up all the people who are brown!

That's right! Rip them from the homes and toss them into a camp! That will save you all from possible terrorists!

Midnyte - you're a racist, plain and simple. To make derogatory remarks and say you just don't want to conform is a bunch of shit. Calling someone a towel head is HURTFUL and HATEFUL. Would you like to be called a stupid inbred cracker all the time?

Racial profiling will solve NOTHING, and in the long term will cause more animosity and hatred. One of the goals of the Western Culture is to remove the racial barrier, instead you freaks want to plunge this place back into the 50's. How about you all sit at the back of the bus for being ignorant, and then maybe we'll consider serving you some food out the back door of a restaurant.

Using already set up security networks, where they have information of possible terrorists, what they look like, what their names are, and where they're currently located WILL help. You guys who are spouting about the profiling right now would cry to know just how many suspected terrorists your government knows is currently in the country. They track them, know their whereabouts etc. Christ, even some of the people from the 9-11 incident your government KNEW was in the country and KNEW their movements. Yes, this is profiling, however it's profiling based on their past movements and actions, not based on their race/colour/religion.

Kguku wrote:
Midnyte - you're a racist, plain and simple. To make derogatory remarks and say you just don't want to conform is a bunch of shit. Calling someone a towel head is HURTFUL and HATEFUL. Would you like to be called a stupid inbred cracker all the time?

Uh-huh. Try scrolling up and reading a lil bit more mmkay.

RASCSIT!!!

You dumbass.


Jews are not a race, nor have they ever been. Hindu, Pakistani, none of these are races. So far the only one you have gotten right is nigger, a perjorative for negroids.

See, here is the problem. You don't know what a race is. Yet you are willing to throw the word 'racial' around because you think you can scare people into agreeing with you, holding the term 'racist' as a threat if they don't.


I suggest you do a little reading before you pursue this further. You are really coming across as uninformed.


As for the Wolrd War two reference, I suggest you do a little reading. That one had nothing to do with race either.

Fallanthas wrote:As for the Wolrd War two reference, I suggest you do a little reading. That one had nothing to do with race either.

I'm sure I could use the word 'bigot' instead. Either way though, he's singling out any 'brown' race with his comments. It's pretty obvious with his generalizations, considering that 'towel heads' are generally Sikhs, where as the fundamentalists that have been causing these uprisings have been muslim, and don't wear turbans.

Now as for your WW2 not having anything to do with race, you're fucked in the head.

" In February 1942, President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed Executive Order 9066 and later Executive Order 9102, which empowered De Witt to round up 70,000 U.S. citizens of Japanese descent and 42,000 Japanese resident aliens with little more than the clothes on their back --farmers and fishermen, old women, children, a kaleidoscope of the "subversive." They were shipped off to 10 bleak concentration camps in remote areas like Manzanar, west of Death Valley."

I'm sorry, I don't think I see a certain race being singled out with that executive order.

Fallanthas wrote:Profiling has been in use for decades.

Race isn't the only factor.

Grats you latecomers on a subject you know fuck and all about.

racial profiling and criminal profiling are two entirely different subjects. one is a scientific approach to the analyzation of forensic evidence or habitual methods of commiting a crime to establish a narrow range of suspects based on previous and similar acts, and the other is reactionary paranoia by a bunch of nervous and stupid white men afraid of people that aren't white as well.

racial profiling and criminal profiling are two entirely different subjects. one is a scientific approach to the analyzation of forensic evidence or habitual methods of commiting a crime to establish a narrow range of suspects based on previous and similar acts, and the other is reactionary paranoia by a bunch of nervous and stupid white men afraid of people that aren't white as well.

Well written, but based in falsehood. Both methods assume that one type of person is more likely to commit a given crime than another, and that resources should first be devoted to those who fit a specific profile.

The technique can certainly be mis-applied, but that does not mean it doesn't work, and work very well.


And for those who still can't be bothered to learn before they speak, Japanese is not a race, either. Good sweet christ, where did you people go to school?

Technically, there are only 3 races to the human species. Caucasian, Mongloid, and Negroid. People from the middle-east are considered caucasian.

The issue at hand imo is not racism, but rather discrimination. A person who discriminates against a certain segment of society, whether based on race, color, sex, sexual orientation, religion, nationality or whatever is not necessarily a "racist". However, since we don't have a word that describes such a person accurately, racist is the closest and most common term that comes to mind.

Homophobes are not racists. Anti-semites are not racists. But they do have that quality in them which makes others racist. That being the quality that ridicules or mistreats others based on a stereotype.

With that said, not everyone who uses terms like nigger or raghead or spick or kike or whatever is necessarily a racist (and I use the term loosely). I use these terms in my everyday speech, but I don't discriminate against them when it comes to serious issues. Too many people are way too sensitive about words and are quick to jump to conclusions as soon as they hear one of these words uttered.

I'm not sure how many people of middle-eastern decent read these boards, but personally I was not even slightly offended by the use of the term raghead. My friends call me that all the time.

My advice to those of you who cannot handle the brutality and derogatory freedom that accompanies the internet is to lighten the fuck up or get the fuck out. There is no such thing as netiquette.

Fallanthas wrote:Well written, but based in falsehood. Both methods assume that one type of person is more likely to commit a given crime than another, and that resources should first be devoted to those who fit a specific profile.

yes way to repeat yourself like a fucking parrot. the point is, one has grounds in scientific and psychological schools of thought, and one is retarded, moronic, racist, unconstitutional and gay.

the fact you support the retarded, moronic racist one does not surprise me in the least.

Fallanthas wrote:And for those who still can't be bothered to learn before they speak, Japanese is not a race, either. Good sweet christ, where did you people go to school?

I'm sorry that society in general doesn't go by strict scientific data only to determine race, but instead we will generalize a whole country as being a race. Which, holy shit, is deemed as fuckin acceptable!

I guess you fall into the 'still can't be bothered to learn before you speak' category.

race1 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rs)
n.
A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
A genealogical line; a lineage.
Humans considered as a group.
Biology.
An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies.
A breed or strain, as of domestic animals.
A distinguishing or characteristic quality, such as the flavor of a wine.

It's not unconstitutional. We are speaking of foreign nationals here, who have no right to equal treatment under the constitution.

It's not racist because once again, we aren't talking about races.

Simple question, bannana-brain. Two people standing next to a loaded gun lying on a tabletop. You've been informed that someone intends to use that gun to kill another person. One of the people standing there is mid-twenties, reasonably fit, male. The other is mid-eighties, female.

Which do you keep your attention on?

That's profiling.


Now, when you are through spouting your liberal bullshit, you ought to ask a proper question.


How many terrorist incidents have occured since the security measures were put into place?


I mean, far be it from anyone to apply logic and try to judge effectiveness. Why do that when it's so much mroe satisfying to look like a complete asshole yelling 'racist' every time someone gets a traffic ticket?


Shove your personal attacks. I'm not biting anymore.

In the 1980s, the United States Supreme Court ruled that Jews are a race, at least for purposes of certain anti-discrimination laws. Their reasoning: at the time these laws were passed, people routinely spoke of the "Jewish race" or the "Italian race" as well as the "Negro race," so that is what the legislators intended to protect.

But many Jews were deeply offended by that decision, offended by any hint that Jews could be considered a race. The idea of Jews as a race brings to mind nightmarish visions of Nazi Germany, where Jews were declared to be not just a race, but an inferior race that had to be rounded up into ghettos and exterminated like vermin.

Yes, they did. That has now been expanded to where american indians, eskimos and people with brown hair and brown eyes are a race.


don't hang your hat on that bud. The 'race' classifications currently being used in american courts are fucked up beyond belief. If a sunni kills a shia in the states, it constitutes a "racially-motivated hate crime", even if the two individuals came from the same country.

It's not racist because once again, we aren't talking about races.

And you, in typical fashion of VV morons, completely ignored the direct quote that the term "racist" is used for more than only hatreds vs races.

Good going! If you can't argue a point, ignore it!

It's not unconstitutional. We are speaking of foreign nationals here, who have no right to equal treatment under the constitution.

I really love it when people say shit like this. Because people are not born in the US they don't deserve the same rights we enjoy? The Bill of Rights should apply to everyone throughout the world, and FYI it does apply to everyone who is physically inside the US whether they are an American or not.

Anytime you say they have no right to equal treatment about anyone whatsoever, you are being a huge fucking biggot. It is you that does not deserve these rights you ignorant shit. This statement offends me a hundred times more than the term raghead.

Thanks for being a speedbump in the evolution of human thought.

Xyun wrote:
There is no such thing as netiquette.

http://www.albion.com/netiquette/netiquiz.html

There is such a thing =)