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Boogahz wrote:you've really been the only fool in this thread

Boogahz wrote:you've created arguments where there were none. Kind of like the start menu!

Siji wrote:It's so much better that the general public is buying it in droves..

..except they're not. Because it blows.

Animalor wrote:In 2 years, when most of you are using windows 8 and not thinking twice about it we'll look at this thread and laugh.. Or be bitter and angry at each other still.

As an aside, I've setup (with the help of a Citrix support engineer) the infrastructure necessary or use the metro app with our XenApp infrastructure.

Their new shit is insanely powerful but much more complicated than the older stuff that's on the way out.

Zaelath wrote:
Besides, I don't think anyone's bitter and angry, excepting at Winnow for being a smug cunt and insulting everyone that doesn't agree with him.

Animalor wrote:In 2 years, when most of you are using windows 8 and not thinking twice about it we'll look at this thread and laugh..

Windows 8 is a lousy Operating System. Its supposed improved performance and claims of improved battery life are exaggerrated, Windows Store is a shameless attempt to pump people for money, and the user interface changes decrease productivity. It is a poor product created for the sake of getting money from your pockets into theirs while offering you as little value as possible. Security is not much different - most exploits and malware that work for earlier Windows versions will still work on Windows 8. One thing that might not work well on it is you, because they switched the interface around so that you have new computer skills to learn. It doesn't really matter whether you want to buy it anyway, because sooner or later it will probably be forced on you by hardware manufacturers.

Animalor wrote:In 2 years, when most of you are using windows 8 and not thinking twice about it we'll look at this thread and laugh.. Or be bitter and angry at each other still.

Ouch. Consumer Reports is currently telling the spending public that they're better off not upgrading to Windows 8 for now, and to purchase a desktop or laptop with Windows 7 still installed if shopping for a new rig. The group names numerous reasons as to why consumers should avoid the touchy new OS, including a lack of touchscreen-based systems, quirky performance and more.

"Windows 7 generally received favorable reviews when it was released," Consumer Reports states. "A few years after its 2009 launch, there still haven't been a lot of complaints. If you've been happy with Windows 7 and even Windows XP up until now, there's no compelling reason to switch to Windows 8."

Donna L. Tapellini of Consumer Reports points out that Windows 8 is all about touch, and because there's a lack of touchscreen-based systems on the market, users will be reduced to using their mouse or touchpad. Without a touchscreen, reasons for upgrading from an older version or purchasing a new Windows 8 computer become less compelling, she said.

"Windows 8 doesn't have the familiar Start button for launching programs and shutting the system down," Tapellini adds. "Of course, it's not difficult to launch your applications from the Start screen with the Windows 8 tile interface. But then again, it's also not the same as clicking your Start button and seeing a list of programs. So if you prefer the old way, go with Windows 7."

Aslanna wrote:

Ouch. Consumer Reports is currently telling the spending public that they're better off not upgrading to Windows 8

Fujitsu's president cited "weak" Windows 8 demand for slumping sales, according to a Tokyo-based Bloomberg report, echoing recent comments from Acer's president.

Japan's biggest IT services company said it will miss its annual shipment target for personal computers amid sluggish demand for Windows 8, according to Bloomberg. Fujitsu President Masami Yamamoto was speaking to reporters in Tokyo on Thursday.

PC shipments for the fiscal year ending in March are expected to fall short of an October estimate of 7 million units, he said.

Acer president Jim Wong, while not citing sales estimates, expressed similar sentiment in an interview with Digitimes this week.

Because of the learning curve for touch, Windows 8 will not be adopted quickly, he said, adding that the new Windows 8 interface could "dramatically delay adoption by consumers."

Zaelath wrote:You could make the exact same argument to explain that all the young people would have moved to OSX when it came out instead of sticking with that horrible Windows XP.

Yeah, that didn't happen either.

For the most part, the news about Windows 8 hasn’t been very positive for Microsoft, but the company today announced a major win. The U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) just signed a new three-year
licensing agreement with Microsoft reseller Insight Public Sector to bring Windows 8, Office 2013, and SharePoint 2013 Enterprise to 75 percent of all DoD personnel. The DoD, Microsoft says, will “use Windows 8 to empower productivity from any location, and any supported device, while taking advantage of enhanced security.”

Today’s announcement, says Microsoft, means the U.S. Army, U.S. Air Force, and Defense Information Systems Agency (DISA) will now have access to “the latest Microsoft technologies in support of top IT priorities around datacenter consolidation, collaboration, cybersecurity, mobility, cloud computing and big data.” Microsoft also says that this is “the most comprehensive” agreement it has ever established with the DoD. The total worth of the deal is about $617 million, and the Army expects to save more than $70 million per year because of it.

“There’s a move afoot throughout the department to bring about efficiencies in the [information technology] world,” David L. DeVries, DOD deputy chief information officer, told American Forces Press Service. “We took a long, hard look at it … realizing that the Department of Defense relies upon the network and upon information technology to do its business.”

Microsoft will work closely with the U.S. Army’s Network Enterprise Technology Command and the Air Force Program Executive Office for Business and Enterprise Systems to achieve “Army Golden Master and Air Force Standard Desktop Configuration compliance for Windows 8.”

If you aren't a fan of Windows 8 but want a new laptop that comes with Windows 8 preinstalled, you'll be happy to know you can actually downgrade it to Windows 7 without having to reformat. Here's how.

Maybe you've given Windows 8 a fair shake and it just isn't working for you, or maybe you're so against upgrading that you don't want to buy a new computer until you know you can downgrade. No matter your reasons, you may actually have a way out. Some Windows 8 PCs come with what are called "downgrade rights." If your PC comes with Windows 8 Pro, you can downgrade to Windows 7 Pro just by installing it on top of your existing OS. You'll need a legitimate disc and product key, but you can just use an old or used one—after you install, you can call Microsoft and they'll activate your downgrade for you. You can even downgrade multiple machines with the same CD and key.

Not all computers come with downgrade rights, so be sure to do a bit of research before you try this out or buy your new Windows 8 computer. It can be a bit of a hassle, but it's a nice option if you really want to keep using Windows 7. Hit the link to see the full step-by-step process.

Siji wrote:You're about as fucking dense as a diamond and as worthless as a piece of coal. When are you going to get it through your thick fucking skull that people don't like the UI and the UI is all they fucking see?

Leonaerd wrote:...So why upgrade?

Leonaerd wrote:...So why upgrade?

Winnow wrote:

Leonaerd wrote:...So why upgrade?

Because everything other than the "Metro" (for those that don't like it) start screen rocks and is better than Windows 7.

miir wrote:

Leonaerd wrote:...So why upgrade?

Because it's faster and has a lot of useful new features.

Animalor wrote:I just noticed that the Comixology app just got released on Windows 8. Downloading one of the books in my collection to test it.

http://apps.microsoft.com/windows/en-CA ... 4cc7918b98

Surface RT with the 10.1" widescreen display is a NICE comic reader when held in portrait. (Note that doing this and reading PDF's is the ONLY nice use I've found for a portrait surface. The thing wants to be in landscape.)

Aabidano wrote:Didn't like the Vega or Yugo either...

Aslanna wrote:I did think for myself. Whereas the lemmings who upgrade anytime Microsoft releases a new version do not.

Boogahz wrote:Don't insult the Lemmings, for they know not what cliff they approach!

Spang wrote:

Aslanna wrote:I did think for myself. Whereas the lemmings who upgrade anytime Microsoft releases a new version do not.

Boogahz wrote:Don't insult the Lemmings, for they know not what cliff they approach!

Lemmings don't actually do what you think they do.

Zaelath wrote:I'm curious that Winnow hasn't mentioned Acronis requires a payment for his Windows 8 upgrade: http://kb.acronis.com/content/31033

$40 for Windows, $30 for Acronis hrmm.

Winnow wrote:

Zaelath wrote:I'm curious that Winnow hasn't mentioned Acronis requires a payment for his Windows 8 upgrade: http://kb.acronis.com/content/31033

$40 for Windows, $30 for Acronis hrmm.

Just boot from the recovery DVD and make your backup or recover. I use Acronis Home 2010 still. I only back up my OS partition once a month so not a huge deal so far. Don't even need Acronis installed if you don't want it as long as you have the recovery DVD.

Zaelath wrote: Cause that's what my backups need added to them, a manual chore to reduce the frequency.

Winnow wrote: I do full backups, not that partial bullshit. If backups are that important to you, upgrading shouldn't be that big a deal. Even once a month is probably a bit much for me as my data drives are raid 1 mirrored anyway so I won't lose much except the inconvenience of reinstalling any app I may have installed recently, which doesn't happen very often these days.

Zaelath wrote:

Winnow wrote: I do full backups, not that partial bullshit. If backups are that important to you, upgrading shouldn't be that big a deal. Even once a month is probably a bit much for me as my data drives are raid 1 mirrored anyway so I won't lose much except the inconvenience of reinstalling any app I may have installed recently, which doesn't happen very often these days.

Yeah... full weekly backups and daily incrementals. Fulls to reduce the pain of reinstalls, daily to account for the fact that I actually create shit on my computer. I keep forgetting you just use yours for various anime related porn fetishes and all that shit is "in the cloud".

Winnow wrote: My data is saved on my eSATA raid tower, mirrored and encrypted. I have another drive that I use for temp work stuff and some installed games. You should definitely be saving whatever you create on something other than your OS drive. If I completely lost my OS drive and didn't have a backup, I wouldn't lose anything important, except for the time lost and major pain in the ass of reinstalling everything which is why I back it up to begin with.

Zaelath wrote: You confuse RAID with backup, but that's a common issue. There's nothing magical about your OS drive as opposed to any other drive in your system.

Winnow wrote: What are you talking about? RAID 1 is identical data written to two drives. I didn't say it was a back up system.

If you're worried about doing something stupid and having to recover an earlier version of your work, that's different. Sync with dropbox or something that keeps multiple backups in the cloud.

And there is something special about your OS drive because it's the one most likely to be fucked up due to viruses and various other shit. Best to have a smallish SSD drive for speed and easy re-imaging if things go bad. Also makes more sense for upgrades, etc so you don't have to worry about moving personal crap off of your OS drive, just plug and play your data on the next PC.

Zaelath wrote:

Winnow wrote: What are you talking about? RAID 1 is identical data written to two drives. I didn't say it was a back up system.

Yet we're talking about backup, you bring up RAID like it's relevant. My main computer is RAID10, the storage drives are RAID5, none of that is relevant to the discussion.