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kyoukan type-R wrote:Because there is absolutely no medical or psycological evidence to support it? Or do you mean other than that?

Let me get this straight... Even though it happens daily, you won't believe it until someone teaches several lab rats to smoke pot and then makes harder drugs available to them via their "friend" rats, giving free samples at rat parties?

Kyou, some of us use common sense. Saying that it's not true because there is no scientist that has said "Smoking pot makes you do harder drugs! Graph on page 3!" is rediculous.

Mak wrote:What she is trying to say- I think- is that if a person is of the mindset that smoking pot is ok, that same person will in all likelihood be more inclinded to do other drugs than a person that is not a pot smoker. It's not guaranteed, obviously, but it is more likely.

The 'gateway' would be acceptance of the idea of drugs in the first place, with pot being the first of several steps into that mentality.

Exactly!!!! Thanks for putting it a different way. hehe

Pot is only a gateway drug because it is illegal. It's only gateway effect is exposing a person to the drug subculture. You wouldn't EVER see stoners hanging around coke dealers unless they are also selling weed. If we were to legalize pot, it would cease being a gateway drug.

masteen wrote:Pot is only a gateway drug because it is illegal. It's only gateway effect is exposing a person to the drug subculture. You wouldn't EVER see stoners hanging around coke dealers unless they are also selling weed. If we were to legalize pot, it would cease being a gateway drug.

correct.

masteen wrote:Pot is only a gateway drug because it is illegal. It's only gateway effect is exposing a person to the drug subculture. You wouldn't EVER see stoners hanging around coke dealers unless they are also selling weed. If we were to legalize pot, it would cease being a gateway drug.

I agree, and was about to reply to Winnow's post along these lines when I saw your post.

http://www.marijuana.com/print.php?sid=5493


These are only scientific studies....I know that all of your personal opinions hold so much more weight than facts.

Shaerra wrote:Let me get this straight... Even though it happens daily, you won't believe it until someone teaches several lab rats to smoke pot and then makes harder drugs available to them via their "friend" rats, giving free samples at rat parties?

Kyou, some of us use common sense. Saying that it's not true because there is no scientist that has said "Smoking pot makes you do harder drugs! Graph on page 3!" is rediculous.

People speed around in their cars and drive recklessly and die. They know if they speed and drive like fuckheads they increase their chances of crashing, but they still do it. They make a personal choice to do it. What is it about some people that they have to drive like shitheads? Or handle firearms recklessly and shoot someone or themselves by accident? How come some people get loaded up on booze and get behind the wheel of a car and slide into a tree or another car when others can leave their keys with a friend and take a cab home. How come others smoke pot and then start doing harder drugs and then overdose on shitty heroin or poorly cut cocaine and others just smoke pot or use other drugs in moderation and are careful about what they buy?

The answer is simple.. Some people don't have any fucking common sense.

If pot is say, a gateway to harder drugs for stupid people then maybe you might have a point. If someone says, "well I smoke a joint once in awhile, so I might as well shove a syringe full of a dangerously addictive poison into the vein under my cock several times a day as well!" then that is their problem. People who use their fucking brains don't operate under that mindset. If they are pressured into using harder drugs by their "druggie friends they met while smoking pot" then that does not make pot a gateway drug; that makes their friends stupid.

actually great post kyu

lol kyoukan

I love talking about pot.



back to smoking, cyaz thx

wtf lol emmer

I wasn't being sarcastic.

Shaerra wrote:When my brother started smoking pot, I tried it. It wasn't my thing.

Winnow wrote:The are a zillion reasons why people use drugs as an escape and no simple solution to putting a stop to abuse.

If a person isn't exposed to harder drugs, what are the chances that alchohol abuse would occur instead? Pretty good I'd think. And with the same end result if not treated in some manner.

*Edit - Pot is a pretty mild buzz, if you smoke a lot you'll just fall asleep. That's not what folks with addictive personalities are looking for. Contrasted to booze and hardcore drugs which give you oblivion.

It's the person that's the issue, not the substances involved.

If being around people smoking pot = A
If people taking harder drugs= B
If people breathing Air = C
If people not take harder drugs = D

D+A = > chance of B
C+A = > chance of B

Then Air is a gateway drug. This is the logic you are using. Tell your children not to breath anymore it may lead to increased chances of being a junkie!!!!

I don't think Pot is a gateway drug myself. I believe that people who smoke pot MIGHT try other drugs but it isn't a guarantee. I bet most heroin users drink water. Is water a gateway drink then? I think peer pressure plays a way bigger role in what drugs people choose to try. I never had the urge to try hard drugs and I was offered several times. I don't really like pot anymore either but I think it is safer than drinking alcohol or smoking rat poison laced cigarettes.

My view on the whole thing is...stop trying to be my fucking nanny. If I want to light up then who the fuck are you to tell me I can't. It all comes down to choices. Make your own choices and everyone else needs to butt out. The government might as well legalize it and make some money off it. Legalizing it would lower the countries crime by a shitload and raise a lot of tax dollars.

Deward

Shaerra wrote: And yes, I still say that people who smoke pot regularly have an enormously larger chance at getting involved in other drugs than people who don't smoke pot. I don't see how anyone could even think about challenging that fact.

Because it's not a fact, dumbass.

The only connection is that drug users are more likely to try other drugs than non drug users.

Exposure is a "gateway".

Peer pressure is another "gateway"

If you want to get really fucktarded, you could say that cigarettes are a "gateway" to smoking pot.

Sounds like your brother made a bad choice in friends.

If you hang out with people who smoke pot and do other drugs, chances are you will try it.
If you don't choose to hang out with druggies you probably wont go out of your way to chase down a baggie and experiment with harder stuff.
If you sleep with dogs you wake up with fleas.
Pot is not an enabler, his poorly chosen friends were.

I am sorry for your loss.