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Sylvus wrote:Which one of those words is big?

Altruistic. I just didnt include it in the quote. That is just one of the many instances where using big words meaninglessly backfires.

Ah, my bad. I didn't read the original post.

kyoukan type-R wrote:

Zamtuk wrote:Some people think that other people think they are smart for using big words.

Such thoughts are ludacrist.

Ludicrous

rhyae wrote:There is absolutely no way to win.
No right answer.
No matter what happens, we look like we stink.

Say everyone pulls out of Iraq, 'sorry big mistake, byebye, we no longer care what you do.'
What happens then?

Correct. Well said. When you're the big dog, no matter what move you make, you have made the wrong move. Ask Bill Gates.

13. Based on the UNSCOM report to the UN Security Council in January 1999 and earlier UNSCOM reports, we assess that when the UN inspectors left Iraq they were unable to account for:

up to 360 tonnes of bulk chemical warfare agent, including 1.5 tonnes of VX nerve agent;
up to 3,000 tonnes of precursor chemicals, including approximately 300 tonnes which, in the Iraqi CW programme, were unique to the production of VX;
growth media procured for biological agent production (enough to produce over three times the 8,500 litres of anthrax spores Iraq admits to having manufactured);
over 30,000 special munitions for delivery of chemical and biological agents.

http://www.pm.gov.uk/output/Page6120.asp

Good thing you caught kyou's spelling error, Cid.

Need to practice up on catching irony though.

bahaaha

Brotha wrote:

13. Based on the UNSCOM report to the UN Security Council in January 1999 and earlier UNSCOM reports, we assess that when the UN inspectors left Iraq they were unable to account for:

up to 360 tonnes of bulk chemical warfare agent, including 1.5 tonnes of VX nerve agent;
up to 3,000 tonnes of precursor chemicals, including approximately 300 tonnes which, in the Iraqi CW programme, were unique to the production of VX;
growth media procured for biological agent production (enough to produce over three times the 8,500 litres of anthrax spores Iraq admits to having manufactured);
over 30,000 special munitions for delivery of chemical and biological agents.

http://www.pm.gov.uk/output/Page6120.asp

What is your point?

God Kyoukan not even you can be stupid enough to ask a question like that... Oh ya I guess you could.

I would hazard to guess that FAILED to account for means that UNSCOM knows these items exist in IRAQ either from Iraq themselves or from intelligence reports and that IRAQ has not shown that they have been destroyed or where they are located. WOW that was fucking difficult.

So if either case is true then IRAQ has failed to fulfill the UN requirements.

Now what was your point?

I was backing up what I said about WMD still being there w/ some facts I had meant to have in my original post.

Brotha:

In 1998 when inspectors left there were thousands of tons of chemical and biological weapons.

Kyoukan:

Where the fuck did you read that the weapons inspectors found "thousands of tons" of weapons and just left them there?

Where the fuck did you read that I said weapons inspectors found weapons and left them there? I'm looking through my post, but I can't see it...

This has been an issue even before the first gulf war. Now there's a president in office who's family is in the oil business, a vice president who's made 100's of millions out of oil, a national security advisor who is so fucking entrenched in the oil industry there is a god damn fucking Chevron double hulled OIL TANKER named after her, and now suddenly Iraq is this huge threat to world peace.

I just don't see how people can pass this off as just being about oil. Yes, when I step back and look objectively, I can see that a small part of it could be oil. But our war w/ Iraq is not soley based on oil. Suddenly Iraq is a huge threat to world peace? I think 911 woke us up to the fact that we're not invincible, and mass murder on US soil is possible. We also realized that if we leave anti US terrorists regimes how they are another 911 is bound to happen, perhaps on a greater scale. I know Iraq hasn't been tied directly (to my knowledge) to 911, so please don't use that recycled response. But if you think for a second that Iraq wouldn't have gladly supported 911 by either funds or manpower and been proud of it then you're fooling yourself.

I see so many people mentioning that we are the ones who supplied some of these weapons to Iraq, but what difference does it make now? By saying this are you trying to imply that we have no right to defend ourselves now? I too am critical in hindsight of how we aided Iraq but the point is moot when arguing against the case of war w/ Iraq.

my point is exactly what I fucking said. if you had a fucking brain rolling around under that hockey helmet they make you wear so you don't hurt yourself, you would be able to comprehend it.

the assertion was that the UN had found a whole bunch of WMD's in iraq in 1998 and left them there. my point was that they did not.

will you stop replying to me you stupid shit head? it only wastes my time every time I am forced to read another fucking moronic post by you. go back to sucking at everquest and rolling over newbies in sebilis, you waste of bandwidth, because every time you open your stupid festering cock hole I fucking dislike even more.

READ. COMPREHEND.

Brotha wrote:Where the fuck did you read that I said weapons inspectors found weapons and left them there? I'm looking through my post, but I can't see it...

You said that when the UN inspectors left there were "thousands of tons of chemical and biological weapons."

Using my amazing powers of deduction and logic I assumed that when you said that, you were implying that when the UN inspectors left, there was, y'know, an actual shred of evidence that there was "thousands of tons of chemical and biological weapons."

MY BAD SORRY.

She sees herself as altruistic I see her as a sewer hole. Comprende?

Perhaps it should have read "altruistic, sewer hole..."

Kyoukan you should pull your piss flaps over your head, have a massive pussy fart and blow your head off your shoulders, that or move into the real world.

Ahhh clarity.

Atokal wrote: Kyoukan you should pull your piss flaps over your head, have a massive pussy fart and blow your head off your shoulders, that or move into the real world.

lol....good stuff

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:lol....good stuff

Hey-o! YES!

Quote from me:

In 1998 when inspectors left there were thousands of tons of chemical and biological weapons.

Quote from the source I used:

13. Based on the UNSCOM report to the UN Security Council in January 1999 and earlier UNSCOM reports, we assess that when the UN inspectors left Iraq they were unable to account for:

I was almost quoting word for word from that, with the exception of one year off. Infer what you want, it's right there in plain english.

will you stop replying to me you stupid shit head? it only wastes my time every time I am forced to read another fucking moronic post by you. go back to sucking at everquest and rolling over newbies in sebilis, you waste of bandwidth, because every time you open your stupid festering cock hole I fucking dislike even more.

As Kyoukan's doctor said the day she was born: "it's gonna get ugly." Look, I have no idea what you have stuck up your ass. You make post after post w/ no point except to demonstrate your anti-americanism. Yes, it is anti-americanism, along with anti-establishment, anti-social and any other anti in the dictionary. What DO you like besides trolling a messageboard, arguing over semantics, and using the same newbie lines everytime you're losing an arguement? Is it going to be all caps next time? Judging from your posts you're one of the most bitter, angry people I've ever seen. How your boyfriend manages to wade through your sea of self pity to reach that gaping, stench filled hole you call a pussy is beyond me.

Brotha wrote:As Kyoukan's doctor said the day she was born: "it's gonna get ugly." Look, I have no idea what you have stuck up your ass. You make post after post w/ no point except to demonstrate your anti-americanism. Yes, it is anti-americanism, along with anti-establishment, anti-social and any other anti in the dictionary. What DO you like besides trolling a messageboard, arguing over semantics, and using the same newbie lines everytime you're losing an arguement? Is it going to be all caps next time? Judging from your posts you're one of the most bitter, angry people I've ever seen. How your boyfriend manages to wade through your sea of self pity to reach that gaping, stench filled hole you call a pussy is beyond me.

I wasn't talking to you scooter, but okay.

Kyoukan please STOP posting. You are a complete MORON. How the fuck would you know what UNSCOM found? The point is as you stated the US probably did sell IRAQ WMD so they would KNOW what is there. The point is Iraq can't or won't account for them.

I expect the dominos are going to fall quickly here. I get the feeling we're within a week of war.

Cartalas wrote:And what Fine country do you call home.

Oh I live in the good ole US of A smack dab in the middle of Oklahoma. I can see the idiocy first hand every single day of my life. This place is saturated with it. You see, I'm that guy you hate. I'm that immigrant who comes over takes that job away from an ignorant incompetent fuck who doesn't know how to take a fettucine alfredo from the kitchen to the table, and then fucks like you have the audacity to be upset about it.

When I say most Americans are ignorant fucks, I say it with supreme confidence and personal experience. I witness it over and over every day. Take this for example

Kilmoll wrote:It comes from us having to go in and bomb this place to hell again because people across the globe being whiny about having a leader removed.

After reading this it is clear to me now that it is actually MY FAULT THAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE GOING TO KILL HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE. I never realized that I was to blame for your goddamn power-hungry money-grubbing war-mongering whorish attitude. I should just shut my mouth and let you kill who ever you want, whenever you want, and hope to God that I don't get on your list, because that would surely make the world a better place.

Brotha, first of all France, Russia, and China (all members of the security council) are against a pre-emptive strike. Germany is outspokenly against it. I hate to disappoint you, but this aint gonna be a bandwagon war like the first one was. Secondly, no matter what statistics you come up with, nothing you say justifies a war with a country that poses no threat to the safety of the united states. And how soon do we forget that 15 of the 19 hijackers were saudi. Escape goats and propaganda go hand in hand.

I have changed my mind though. I really do want this war to happen and soon. Nothing would be better to teach the entire world that MIGHT DOES NOT MAKE RIGHT, and a corrupt sheriff is worse than a criminal.

Xyun wrote: Nothing would be better to teach the entire world that MIGHT DOES NOT MAKE RIGHT, and a corrupt sheriff is worse than a criminal.

Here's where your little fucked up mind shows itself. The corrupt sheriff is Saddam, not Bush.

And please do us real Americans a favor and fucking leave if you have such distaste. Leave you piece of shit.

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote: Here's where your little fucked up mind shows itself. The corrupt sheriff is Saddam, not Bush.

And please do us real Americans a favor and fucking leave if you have such distaste. Leave you piece of shit.

Who the fuck is the criminal then?

I'm one of the so-called "real Americans" and the impending war leaves a bit of a bitter taste in my mouth. I don't really understand why so many are blindly following the war without questioning it. Yes, Saddam is bad and he needs to be ousted. Should we kill tens of thousands of people to do it? Probably not. I'll provide you with a quote that my best friend wrote on another board. He's of Iraqi descent (don't worry, he was born in America so he has every right to be here!) and much of his family still lives over in Iraq.

I think this puts things into perspective very nicely (see quote below)... I just cant believe what we're doing (or are about to do).. The military attack plan that has leaked out from the pentagon calls for an initial strike of 400 cruise missiles to Baghdad on the first day of war followed by an additional 400 cruise missiles on the second day. During the gulf war in 1991, they fired 400 cruise missiles over a 2 month time period. The idea is that the sheer amount of destruction will awe the iraqis into surrender or overthrow.. One analyst was saying that "there will be no safe place in Baghdad" - This is really terrifying to me considering my whole family lives in Baghdad. With all this talk of war, it's very very rare that you hear the media commentig on the potential for iraqi civillian casulaties...which military analysts suggest will be upwards of 75,000 people. That's just from bombs..who knows how many children will die from malnutrition and disease after the country's infrastructure is destroyed and its hard to get clean water.. Actually they do make some mention of this, but they call it "collateral damage". Last time I checked, we are all human beings and all of our lives are equally sacred. I'm all for elimination of Saddam and his regime...but not at this cost. Sorry for the rant, but I'm just ashamed that the media/US govt dont seem to make an issue out of this. These are innocent human beings just like us who are going to die....

As he's my best friend, pain caused to him hurts me as well, and I'd like us to have some sort of fucking reason for going over there and killing his Aunts and Uncles and Cousins and Grandparents.

And by the way, Captain America, one of the fabulous things about the country you love so much is that people are allowed to have a difference of opinion. Asking Xyun to leave because he questions our motives isn't doing us any favors. It'd be a lot more beneficial to us to get the unintelligent, closed-minded people to leave. I'll buy your plane ticket.

I happen to love my country, it's history and what it stands for. Criticism is good indeed. Bitter distaste and blind distrust is just destructive and un-needed.

I'll wait for the official UN body counts before I start believing these "retired" people that help CNN get ratings. If those people were worth a damn, the pentagon, or wherever, would not have fired their asses in the first place.

When these news stations come out with projected body counts, it is usually part of a governments scare tactic. The U.S. government is using the media as a vesile for pre-war hysteria.

Bitter distaste and blind distrust is just destructive and un-needed.

Americans are becoming increasingly dissatisfied with our political system, judicial system, and world views. There are reasons behind this: You reap what you sow

I am very bitter and distrusting of my own country and government. I have seen injustice, bias, and hypocricy over and over again. I do not trust America, because America dosen't trust me.

Fairweather Pure wrote:

Bitter distaste and blind distrust is just destructive and un-needed.

Americans are becoming increasingly dissatisfied with our political system, judicial system, and world views. There are reasons behind this: You reap what you sow

I am very bitter and distrusting of my own country and government. I have seen injustice, bias, and hypocricy over and over again. I do not trust America, because America dosen't trust me.

Please elaborate why America doesn't trust you. I am interested in your thoughts on this.

Midnight, speaking out against a war is not un-American. In fact, that's what makes them a patriot. I disagree with most of them, but that's why we are number one (you read me right, America is number 1). Speaking out against the way you want your country run is one thing, and totally fine....aiding the enemy is quite another. As far as I know, no one here arguing against us right wingers are sending attack plans to Iraq or telling them how to sneak a dirty bomb onto 5th Ave. If we did not have differing opinions on how our country should be run, we'd be another monarchy playing catch-up with the big boys.

Krimson Klaw wrote:Midnight, speaking out against a war is not un-American. In fact, that's what makes them a patriot. I disagree with most of them, but that's why we are number one (you read me right, America is number 1). Speaking out against the way you want your country run is one thing, and totally fine....aiding the enemy is quite another. As far as I know, no one here arguing against us right wingers are sending attack plans to Iraq or telling them how to sneak a dirty bomb onto 5th Ave. If we did not have differing opinions on how our country should be run, we'd be another monarchy playing catch-up with the big boys.

I totally understand what you are saying. Like I said, constructive criticism and/or disagreement is fine. But, when it is a constant unwaivering negativity, I find it destructive.

The dirty bomb becomes more of a possibility the longer we become this passive nation. We need to toughen up and not allow rogue nations to have the ability to kill thousands, or even millions of people.

Thier is very little likely-hood America will send nukes up into Canada or down into Mexico. However, looking at the unrest and war-like nature, religous fanaticism of Iraq, the possibility of them doing so is very high they would attack their neighbors.

Everyone was pissed when 9-11 happened. Why oh why didn't the government do more? Well now they are and all we hear is "stop, you war mongering republicans, stop!". Now you are giving these countries a reason to get us. It's a no win situation.

What does Iraq have to do with 9-11?

Could you possibly broaden your mind just a smidge? Do you need everything spelled out for you? Re-read and think. You expect everything in life to be handed to you. As my little brother has told me many times when it comes to computers...."sometimes you have to figure shit out on your own."

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Could you possibly broaden your mind just a smidge? Do you need everything spelled out for you? Re-read and think. You expect everything in life to be handed to you. As my little brother has told me many times when it comes to computers...."sometimes you have to figure shit out on your own."

In other words...nothing.

Eat shit Midnyte. I'm here for the very freedoms you take for granted, the freedom to say something you might not like. And you better believe your fucking ass I'm gonna say it. I am just as much an American as you, I'm just not as stupid.

When a country goes around waiving its cock and slapping people in the face with it, people fucking retaliate. Go ahead and bomb Iraq you fucking imbecile. Do what you want. But believe you me, 911 is just a small glimpse of the future of America.


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Yes I know my enemies
They're the teachers who taught me to fight me
Compromise, conformity, assimilation, submission
Ignorance, hypocrisy, brutality, the elite
All of which are American dreams

--Rage Against the Machine

Xyun wrote: When a country goes around waiving its cock and slapping people in the face with it, people fucking retaliate. Go ahead and bomb Iraq you fucking imbecile. Do what you want. But believe you me, 911 is just a small glimpse of the future of America.

Your perception of our country waiving it's cock around is your ignorance, not mine.

Yes, there will be bigger 9-11's to come. Unfortunately there will always be evil people out there who will, un-provoked, attack innocent people.

Saddam has violated the UN. His government/military will pay. Innocent bystanders will die as well. That is part of war.

Would you rather have the authority of the UN flouted by Iraq? If you think that the UN is kow-towing to Dubya, you are mistaken. Iraq has failed to live up to it's end of the agreement that came at the end of the Gulf War.

Yes, there will be bigger 9-11's to come. Unfortunately there will always be evil people out there who will, un-provoked, attack innocent people.

hahaahahhahahah

9-11 was unprovoked? Is there a word in the english language to describe your sheer stupidity?

And then you believe that bush, on the other hand, has a right to kill innocent people un-provoked.

..... and a corrupt sheriff is worse than a criminal.

Xyun wrote:
9-11 was unprovoked? Is there a word in the english language to describe your sheer stupidity?

Yes there is. It's called realism.

Fuck you Xyun!

To again pose a previous question: What does 9/11 or Al Qaeda have to do with Iraq?

To again pose a previous question: What does 9/11 or Al Qaeda have to do with Iraq?

In my mind (as I said earlier), 9/11 woke us up to the very real threats terrorism and the supporters of terrorism pose. Al Qaeda isn't the only terrorists organization in the world that hates the US, if you didn't know. Sorry for spoiling your game of connect the dots Midnyte...I just thought it was time for a little hint.

Supposedly next week Colin Powell is going to come out and directly link Iraq to Al Qaeda, which should be interesting.

It should be because I guess you can come up with all kinds of links when you're looking for a scapegoat.

Why isn't Saudi on the list to be flattened but Iraq is?

Brotha wrote:Supposedly next week Colin Powell is going to come out and directly link Iraq to Al Qaeda, which should be interesting.

I believe they are going to try to resurrect the Czech story, for the second time.

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Your perception of our country waiving it's cock around is your ignorance, not mine.

Yes, there will be bigger 9-11's to come. Unfortunately there will always be evil people out there who will, un-provoked, attack innocent people.

Saddam has violated the UN. His government/military will pay. Innocent bystanders will die as well. That is part of war.

When that innocent bystander's brother\father\son retaliate's on the US I'm sure you will call him an evil person attacking the inncocent US without provocation.

No Forthe.


We will then point a gun at him, ask if he is sure, and shoot him too.


This is not a battle to be won in a week. It likely won't end in a decade.

But be damned if we are going to play sheep any longer.



And fuck you if you think the solution is appeasement.

Fallanthas wrote: We will then point a gun at him, ask if he is sure, and shoot him too.

Then bill his fucking family for the bullet.

hahaha play sheep. yeah poor americans playing sheep for the evil arabs. the US doesn't do anything to them ever, and those arabs just get so jealous of all your freedoms and liberties and totally attack you unprovoked! fucking camel jockies!

/agree falla, the appeasement has to stop.

Why is it that liberals (or anyone anti war), always changes the subject when people are discussing what to do w/ Iraq? By changing the subject I mean they say "well this country is doing this, why aren't we there?", "well we gave the weapons to iraq", "it's all about oil!!." We are talking about IRAQ here, not the entire middle east or North Korea, and we are talking about Iraq needing to disarm based on a UN resolution, not the number of gallons of oil the US buys from Iraq a year.

Iraq is not volunarily disarming or fully cooperating w/ UN inspectors. We've seen in the past what voluntary disarmament looks like (in South Africa, Ukraine, etc), Iraq obviously is not doing this. The inspector's job isn't to turn over every rock in Iraq looking for WMD that we know they already have. Hans Blix even said today that more time would just be a waste of time unless Iraq started assisting in the inspections.

I ask you staunch anti war people, what do you want to do now? Iraq has been given so many chances to settle this peacefully it's laughable. The only option left in my mind is war. One more year of inspections will do nothing. I want to hear how you want to handle the situation in Iraq as it is right now.

hahaha play sheep. yeah poor americans playing sheep for the evil arabs. the US doesn't do anything to them ever, and those arabs just get so jealous of all your freedoms and liberties and totally attack you unprovoked! fucking camel jockies!

You have not one fucking clue.


It's put up or shut up time. No more cute, no more dancing fucking bannanna rhetoric.

Answer the question or sit the fuck down.

Krimson Klaw wrote:Yes, America is number one. Hope you have as much patriotism about your homeland too. If not, sorry for you.

So the fact you state that america is number one has to do with patriotism?
Meaning they are connected somehow. The more patriot you are the better America becomes?

Fallanthas wrote:You have not one fucking clue.


It's put up or shut up time. No more cute, no more dancing fucking bannanna rhetoric.

Answer the question or sit the fuck down.

what fucking question? how stupid are you? what kind of scale do I have to work with?

kyoukan type-R wrote:man pubin are you still going off about search engines because I am smarter than you and make an effort to substantiate my arguments with relevant information? you really are a fucking cry baby. Get over yourself dude. For someone living in probably a trailer in oklahoma you sure throw terms like 2nd world around quite a bit.

KEKE

I probably make more, know more, have a better educaiton, and get along with others better than you ever will. I don't feel that this is in any way relevant to my point. I have to ask, do you find it somewhat odd that the only person who mutually holds your intense anti-US point of view is someone who admits to smoking crack (and intending to again)? You and Xyun should just take your insightful philosophy to PMs. Start a revolution.

I ask you staunch anti war people, what do you want to do now? Iraq has been given so many chances to settle this peacefully it's laughable. The only option left in my mind is war. One more year of inspections will do nothing. I want to hear how you want to handle the situation in Iraq as it is right now.

Answer.