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You should not argue with someone as dedicated to their country as Kyoukan. She served her country I am sure. The Canadian armed forces surely need someone to clean up after the sled dogs and scrape the grafitti off their igloos.

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:You should not argue with someone as dedicated to their country as Kyoukan. She served her country I am sure. The Canadian armed forces surely need someone to clean up after the sled dogs and scrape the grafitti off their igloos.

Igloos and sled dogs?
OMG thats so funny!
You are so original!!1
I've never heard that one before!!
ROFLROFLRFOLRFOL!@$@!@$%



UR MY HERO!

Kylere wrote:Kyoukan,

I served the US Army from June 9th 1988 to June 8th 1996, in the ranks of Private to Staff Sergeant, holding two MOS's and a instructor and airborne qualifier. Simple fact.

What MOS's? I'm not flaming...just curious, I was in the Army from '89 to '95.

I hate the argument that we as a nation are not allowed to protect our interests.

Iraq and the middle east have oil. We use oil. Thus we do not want the Middle East to turn into Saddam's little oil playground. That makes perfect sense to me. He also happens to be one evil sonofabitch, very few people will try to refute that.

America has vast interests abroad. There are American companies all over the world. You cannot expect us to sit back and let those interests be taken or even endangered. To reduce this crisis to "Bush wants oil" is just foolish. Like it or not we have become the world's police. Those missions to Africa were UN missions, but the majority of soldiers were American. We had a much larger investment in that mission than any other country on the face of the earth. We SHOULD be given credit for that. MORAL credit because there was no other reason for going.

Our job as citizens is to digest information given to us by governments and media. We cannot do perfect jobs, but we have to take educated guesses as to what the right course of action is.

I hate dictators, Saddam sucks, this guy:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/859191.asp

is much worse. Saddam happens to be a larger danger and a more immediate threat. 9/11 did not give us a right to attack Iraq, it just woke some people up. I hope we do attack Iraq, if my country asked for people to help, I would drop what I am doing and go over there to personally shove a greande up his ass.

In my opinion, spoonfed as it might be, fuck oil, Saddam has caused enough harm in his lifetime to deserve Hell 50 times over and it is our duty as peaceloving citizens to give him his due. Yes, I do love peace, I just believe if you never fight for anything, you end up sucking the wrong end of a rifle.

Those of you who don't believe in this action, do you really believe doing nothing is an acceptable alternative? Don't forget World War II, for the love of god, do not forget what happened when we decided to let that lunatic off a couple of times.

Sorry for rambling, I hate Dictators
Avestan

Our job as peace-loving citizens to give him his due, meaning our wrath?

What is his due? 15 years of trade embargo? Starving children and a depleted army? I do think the man needs to go, but not at the expense of INNOCENT lives. That word has no meaning anymore, does it?

Saddam happens to be a larger danger and a more immediate threat.

Saying Saddam is a larger danger and more immediate threat than N. Korea is like saying that Italy was a larger and more immediate threat in WW2 than Germany. Gimme a fucking break, this is just plain stupid. Just because this country has a personal vendetta against the man does not make him the most dangerous man alive.

Avestan wrote:I hate dictators, Saddam sucks, this guy:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/859191.asp

is much worse.

From your article: "“All of North Korea is a gulag,” said one senior U.S. official, noting that as many as 2 million people have died of starvation while Kim has amassed the world’s largest collection of Daffy Duck cartoons."

Daffy Duck > Donald Duck
ergo
Kim Jong Il > Saddam Hussein

Our choice to invade Iraq and not N. Korea has never been so clear!

Daffy Duck's speech impediment < Donald Duck's speech impediment

Donald Duck's insults < Daffu Duck's insults

I call a tie!

starving children? You blind? The dude builds palaces and funds his army to the nth degree and doesn't spend a cent on the starving children. We have oil for food programs that he opts not to use because he doesn't give a shit for the starving children, give me a freaking break. The guy is psychotic and has no business at the head of a country. How about the ethnic kurds who would ALL BE DEAD if we were not there every stinking day. Dojn't fool yourself, he ain't no Martha Stewart and you are doing no one any favors by defending his actions.

Biatch.
Stan

Voronwë wrote:in my opinion the linked editorial is intentionally misleading in its use of some data.

for instance saying 88% of Americans are in favor of war.

Not according to any polls i've seen. Depending on the way the question is asked the answer is ~35-55%.

but it is obviously a commentary piece and certainly some of the questions are valid, particularly the manner in which so many key administration members have considerable financial ties to the oil industry.

as for Nukes in Iraq....how exactly would Saddam nuke us? the infamous Tom Clancy Briefcase nuke?

cause his missiles are shit.

I've seen the same thing Voro...I have never seen any opinion poll as high as that! All the numbers I have seen have been around %50

according to this:

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/c2k/iraq_back1125.pdf

64%


but another 11% did not answer either way. That is lopsided.

you are doing no one any favors by defending his actions

We aren't defending his actions we are questioning the actions of the US and the motivation behind them.
Just because we aren't "with you" doesn't mean we are "pro saddam". The world is not black and white and there are no absolutes nomatter how much your TV tells you it is so.

Hoarmurath wrote:

Kylere wrote:Kyoukan,

I served the US Army from June 9th 1988 to June 8th 1996, in the ranks of Private to Staff Sergeant, holding two MOS's and a instructor and airborne qualifier. Simple fact.

What MOS's? I'm not flaming...just curious, I was in the Army from '89 to '95.

55G and 74F

Did you read what I wrote?

What is his due? 15 years of trade embargo? Starving children and a depleted army? I do think the man needs to go, but not at the expense of INNOCENT lives.

Xyun,


Come up with a way to remove him without harming the Iraqis. I am sure that all of us "pro-war" folks would sign up on such a plan in a heartbeat.

Lacking that, war has to happen.

Kylere wrote:
55G and 74F

Ah cool. I was a 67R.

Let me start by saying that I have RL friends who post on these forums, and Kylere happens to be one of them. I do not always agree with what he posts. And in general, I don't bother supporting or defending him... he is more than capable of holding his own ground. I don't like getting involved in virtual verbal flamefests anyway, preferring the calmer medium of open discussion, if possible face-to-face.

That said, I will make an exception this time, and confirm that Kylere has served with the United States Army during the years he stated, under the MOS's he specified. You can choose to agree with/disagree with/ignore his opinions, but his service to his country is documented fact. I have had my own share of arguements with Kylere, but as much as he's pissed me off at times, I would never discount or dismiss his service to this country.

I'm sorry if that ends up pissing you off, kyoukan, since I don't have anything against you (not really knowing you), and frequently enjoy the things you post. But this time you are wrong.

the starving children are not a result of the embargo and his army has grown in the last 15 years, what are you getting at?

Daffy duck owns Donald duck.