The Republican candidate for governor, Carl P. Paladino, told a gathering in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, on Sunday that children should not be “brainwashed” into thinking that homosexuality was acceptable, and criticized his opponent, Attorney General Andrew M. Cuomo, for marching in a gay pride parade earlier this year.
I think I understand what's he attempting to say, in the context of our media continually pushing the issue into the public eye in an attempt to mainstream the behavior.
Of course those same media corporations seem to ostracize their employees when they jump into the spotlight by coming out of the closet in a non-approved manner.
The whole media situation reminds me of pro wrestling.
Haven't followed it at all, he's apparently commented on he topic a number of times, wonder what it does to his electability.
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"Life is what happens while you're making plans for later."
Everytime a Republican or religious figure displays such open disdain for gays, I assume they are probably gay themselves or a child molestor. (Most likely a combination of the two)
Since we now know that being gay is a choice, I have to agree with him.
In all seriousness, gay pride parades and such are nothing more than what that kid did in trying to be a bunch of attention whores and trying to get negative reactions. There is no real reason except for instigators setting their movements back.
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Since we now know that being gay is a choice, I have to agree with him.
Is my sarcasm detector broken?
In all seriousness, gay pride parades and such are nothing more than what that kid did in trying to be a bunch of attention whores and trying to get negative reactions. There is no real reason except for instigators setting their movements back.
Pride weekend in Toronto (and in many other cities around the world) is a HUGE event. It brings tens of millions in tourism dollars to the city. It's safe and there's vertually never any confrontations instigated by homophobes.
It's mainstream, it has coporate sponsors, it's safe and it's the biggest party of the summer... and there's probably more straights than gays in attendance.
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miir wrote:Pride weekend in Toronto (and in many other cities around the world) is a HUGE event. It brings tens of millions in tourism dollars to the city. It's safe and there's virtually never any confrontations instigated by homophobes.
St Pete's while not that large is a big deal every year and very peaceful.
I understand why they do it, but don't see it as a benefit for their cause, especially given they way the local media covers it. You've always got the guys out in chaps and sailor hats grinding crotches and sucking face for the camera.
"Life is what happens while you're making plans for later."
Don't all right wing hate mongers seekritly slam gays? I think it's nice he's coming out! No more hiding his lust for buttsecks.
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:What outcry would there be if someone had a straight pride parade? Or if they started an NAAWP organization?
You're supposed to be ashamed of your heterosexual white anglo-saxon protestant-ness and\or heritage, the US' silent majority. Just watch the news, The Simpson's or most any sitcom.
The acceptability of picking on them shouldn't be any different than picking on any other racial\religious group.
"Life is what happens while you're making plans for later."
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:What outcry would there be if someone had a straight pride parade? Or if they started an NAAWP organization?
Straight white men aren't a minority that's been discriminated against or opressed.
Straight white men aren't victims of hate crime.
Straight white men aren't denied basic human (or constitutional) rights.
Being an (allegedly) straight, white, man, you obviously have no first hand experience with any of the hardships these people have gone through.
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:What outcry would there be if someone had a straight pride parade? Or if they started an NAAWP organization?
Straight white men aren't a minority that's been discriminated against or opressed.
Straight white men aren't victims of hate crime.
Straight white men aren't denied basic human (or constitutional) rights.
Being an (allegedly) straight, white, man, you obviously have no first hand experience with any of the hardships these people have gone through.
You are full of shit on every count there.
Straight white men may not be a minority, but they sure as fuck have as valid a point of being discriminated against anyone else in today's world. If I were to be going for a job with a black man or black woman and all things on the resume were equal and all qualifications were identical, that black man or woman would get that job 100% of the time. In many cases now, a lesser qualified person can get said job now based purely off of a darker skin tone than I have.
Second, hate crimes happen to all races. They just refuse to prosecute them as such if it happens to a white person.
Third, maybe you could explain what constitutional right that straight white people have that someone else is denied? Before you go there, understand that marriage is NOT in the Constitution.
miir wrote:Straight white men aren't a minority that's been discriminated against or oppressed.
Unless of course you're a US government employee looking to be promoted, or anyone applying for or bidding on any govt contract or program. In which case being a white male is a major detriment.
"Life is what happens while you're making plans for later."
You made completely untrue statements...what do you want us to say?
If some Christian group held a Straight Pride parade, it would be national news and every liberal media outlet in the country would be condemning them. If I started an NAAWP chapter tomorrow, it would probably be labeled as a federal hate crime. You tell me how exactly having double standards does not equate to discrimination?
If some Christian group held a Straight Pride parade, it would be national news and every liberal media outlet in the country would be condemning them. If I started an NAAWP chapter tomorrow, it would probably be labeled as a federal hate crime. You tell me how exactly having double standards does not equate to discrimination?
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:You made completely untrue statements...what do you want us to say?
What part is untrue?
That homosexuals, blacks and women have never been subject to any sort of discrimination or opression?
That blacks and homosexuals have been victimised by hate crimes for decades?
That homosexuals, blacks and women have not been historically denied the basic human or constitutional rights?
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:You tell me how exactly having double standards does not equate to discrimination?
It's not like straights are banned from Pride parades or celebrations.
Whites are always welcome at NAACP events.
There's lots of parades and events that cater to straight, white men that don't incite outrage.
NASCAR races... there's a perfect example of a white/redneck pride event that happens every weekend.
St Patricks day is a celebration for a bunch of drunken white men.
I've got 99 problems and I'm not dealing with any of them - Lay-Z
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:You made completely untrue statements...what do you want us to say?
What part is untrue?
That homosexuals, blacks and women have never been subject to any sort of discrimination or opression?
That blacks and homosexuals have been victimised by hate crimes for decades?
That homosexuals, blacks and women have not been historically denied the basic human or constitutional rights?
This is NOT what you said. I will quote it for you since you are apparently retarded.
Straight white men aren't a minority that's been discriminated against or opressed.
Straight white men aren't victims of hate crime.
Straight white men aren't denied basic human (or constitutional) rights.
What constitutional right have women or them there colored folk been denied since say....1970?
Why does anyone even bother debating with shitheel bigots like Kilmoll? It's a waste of time. You may as well talk to the fucking wall. At least a wall wouldn't spew as much idiotic bullshit.
Jesus christ "durrr the white man has it so tough."
Speaking of Race...Just filled out a Jury Duty response online, and one of the questions required in Texas is Race. Now, they don't provide a specific list of Races to choose from, so I put 'Human.'
Boogahz wrote:Speaking of Race...Just filled out a Jury Duty response online, and one of the questions required in Texas is Race. Now, they don't provide a specific list of Races to choose from, so I put 'Human.'
Hope that is sufficient!
You'll have Rangers at your door any moment.
"Life is what happens while you're making plans for later."
I heard that Chuck Norris makes regular rounds to the good folk of Texas. It must be cool to see the raw display of power, and the functional, yet comfortable KARATEJEANS!
Nick wrote:Why does anyone even bother debating with shitheel bigots like Kilmoll? It's a waste of time. You may as well talk to the fucking wall. At least a wall wouldn't spew as much idiotic bullshit.
Jesus christ "durrr the white man has it so tough."
Fantasy world living mother fucker.
Thank you for your insightful and knowledgeable contribution to this thread, as always. How about coming back with some more facts and less cartalas.
Just a disclaimer: I have no problems with gays/blacks/aliens/crab people or anything else you can think of. But I just wanted to answer Miirs statements.
miir wrote:
Straight white men aren't a minority that's been discriminated against or opressed.
Straight white men aren't victims of hate crime.
Straight white men aren't denied basic human (or constitutional) rights.
Being an (allegedly) straight, white, man, you obviously have no first hand experience with any of the hardships these people have gone through.
Not sure what its like north of the border but I can tell you from first hand experience white males are discriminated against and are victims of hate crimes.. Just because the law does not classify a minority doing harm to a white male either physically or verbally does not mean it wouldn't classify as one. From my own personal experiences when I was a teenager I can tell you white males are victims of hate crimes. Having a black kid call me a punkass white boy and a cracker is just as insulting as if I were to drop the N bomb on them.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Affirmative Action one big ass double standard in itself?
From my own personal experiences when I was a teenager I can tell you white males are victims of hate crimes. Having a black kid call me a punkass white boy and a cracker is just as insulting as if I were to drop the N bomb on them.
That's one of the most idiotic thing that's been posted on here in months.
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From my own personal experiences when I was a teenager I can tell you white males are victims of hate crimes. Having a black kid call me a punkass white boy and a cracker is just as insulting as if I were to drop the N bomb on them.
That's one of the most idiotic thing that's been posted on here in months.
What are you fucking high? Get your head out of your ass and realize things outside of merry canada are a lot fucking different. You bet your ass I'm as insulted for a black kid judging me on the color of my skin as they would be if I did the same.
That's like saying a man is as offended by a woman calling him a dick, as a woman is by a man calling her a cunt.
Some might be, if they're particularly precious, but I doubt it.
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miir wrote:Derrogatory racial terms don't really have the same impact when you're a member of the group that has historically been the oppressor.
The point is that it's not proper regardless of who the target is.
Day to day usage coarsens everyone. Today white kids are supposed to shrug off the same insult that a black kid and his parents, the school, the media, etc.. would be outraged and howling for blood over. It seems to be open season on Mexicans, Indians and Muslims from all angles too.
What sort of message are we sending, and why are we surprised that the issues don't go away?
I don't have a guess of what the US media's agenda is, when a co-worker brought it up a few years ago I thought it was more "black helicopter" stuff. They really have been going out of their way in attacking the white middle class for years. I'm still leaning towards no motive, just ignorance.
"Life is what happens while you're making plans for later."
There is no historical systemic or institutional racisism against white men. in the United States
White men do not suffer internalized racism.
There are no persistent negative stereotypes facing white men.
I've got 99 problems and I'm not dealing with any of them - Lay-Z
I'm not quite sure how the media can foster systemic and/or institutionalized racism... but I guess little pussies like Soreali are proof that straight white men can suffer from internalized racism.
Or maybe that's just a general problem with this generation.
A lot of people seem to be obsessed with painting themselves as victims.
I've got 99 problems and I'm not dealing with any of them - Lay-Z
Dude, racism as historically portrayed is over. There is no massive whites being racist and keeping the brother down conspiracy going on. Over the last 30 years or so, there has been nothing of the kind going on unless it has been in some backwater hillbilly town in Missouri or Louisiana somewhere. Every white and black kid has the exact same OPPORTUNITIES now from the time they are born until the day they die. What they choose to do with them is a whole different discussion.
The simple facts of the matter are, there is no more racism from whites than there is from blacks in a HUGE majority of the U.S. and has not been for quite some time. This is not the 1960's anymore.
Just thought I'd chime in a bit.. From my personal experience, the black people I know, generally speaking will make much more vicious racist comments, ESPECIALLY in front of people of said other race than white people I know. I couldn't tell you how many times I've been around a black friend that is spewing all sorts of racist shit about white people, but always makes sure to add that I'm a exception.
Most black people I know and have encountered don't like white people and are openly racist, especially those that are over like 30 years old..
Not that this is 100% on topic nor does it cover the broader parts of the issues you guys are discussing, but I thought I'd interject this tidbit.
In NJ I could see it being a problem depending on where you live. I really feel sorry for a white kid living in a predominately black area there.
Even in the "white" community it's not too long before race comes up. If you've got German heritage they'll want to know when your ancestors came to the US, just in case you might be related to Nazis. Ancestry seems to be a big deal there.
Growing up in St, Louis, being white and driving through the wrong neighborhood could get you shot. Getting out of your car would have been pure idiocy. Talking to my sister that hasn't changed much, depending on the neighborhood.
"Life is what happens while you're making plans for later."
Yeah lets feel sorry for poor whitey who all of a sudden has to go out and do shit on his own merrits. Speaking as a fat lazy fucker, I can safely say that if I were anything other than a white male I would not have been able to get away with half the shit I have pulled or skated by in life. Miir hit the nail on the head with the victim complex thing. Also, its a classic Rovian trick to accuse your enemy of doing exactly what you yourself are guilty of, such as racist teabagger fucks accusing teh darkies of being racist against whitey. Of course older black men are racist, we the master race have only been shitting on them repeatedly for roughly 200 years or so...
But this brings the topic back full circle. This assclown mentioned in the original post evidently is the landlord for two major gay bars in NY and his son apparently managed one of them. You can't make this kind of comedy up.
War is an option whose time has passed. Peace is the only option for the future. At present we occupy a treacherous no-man's-land between peace and war, a time of growing fear that our military might has expanded beyond our capacity to control it and our political differences widened beyond our ability to bridge them. . . .
Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
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Jice Virago wrote:Yeah lets feel sorry for poor whitey who all of a sudden has to go out and do shit on his own merrits. Speaking as a fat lazy fucker, I can safely say that if I were anything other than a white male I would not have been able to get away with half the shit I have pulled or skated by in life. Miir hit the nail on the head with the victim complex thing. Also, its a classic Rovian trick to accuse your enemy of doing exactly what you yourself are guilty of, such as racist teabagger fucks accusing teh darkies of being racist against whitey. Of course older black men are racist, we the master race have only been shitting on them repeatedly for roughly 200 years or so...
But this brings the topic back full circle. This assclown mentioned in the original post evidently is the landlord for two major gay bars in NY and his son apparently managed one of them. You can't make this kind of comedy up.
You apparently haven't spent any time in any bad neighborhoods. I'm not implying white people aren't just as racist, but I know a lot of very racist black people, and they are very open about it (again, not just around other black people, but around white people too), which I can't say for many white people I know.
