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Are we closing in on a new Civil War?

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I have seen 9 states now have instituted legislature to claim sovereignity under the 10th Amendment. There are rumors that another 10-12 states are also considering doing the same, but have not yet sent brought the measures up in the states legislatures. So far, it has been a pretty mixed bag of GOP and Dem states...and for a whole variety of issues that have been pushed down by the federal government. The real odd thing is that this has not really been covered by the media, even though the repurcussions could be enormous. Has anyone else seen or read much on this in their area?
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The way I heard it was that 9-10 states have 1 or 2 nutbag legislators who have submitted this into a committee...
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While the media not covering something may smell like conspiracy to someone who enjoys fantasizing about the day that he and his militia kin can wander the streets and "protect" themselves against "illegals," for the rest of us, it simply means that "rumors" are not news.
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Heh, Quebec has been serious about separating from Canada since the 70s... They are no closer to sovereignty today than they were then.
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Lalanae wrote:While the media not covering something may smell like conspiracy to someone who enjoys fantasizing about the day that he and his militia kin can wander the streets and "protect" themselves against "illegals," for the rest of us, it simply means that "rumors" are not news.

Is that right you stupid cunt? You do realize that Okalhoma's House passed this resolution by a 92-3 vote last year before it stalled in the Senate. And they have more votes for it in their Senate this year and believe it will pass? Oh...thats right...it came from someone who doesn't share your views so it must be false. Do some research before chiming in you fuckwit.
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It has NOTHING to do with partisanship and NONE of them have anything to do so far with gun rights, so take your militia comments and stuff them up your rug munching fat ass.
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So you actually believe that these states are seriously considering claiming sovereignty from the US?
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It is not about believeing anything...it is there in their voting man. Do you even read the links or are you trying to be a tool? It was voted in Oklahoma last year by a 92-3 margin. That is with a huge GOP advantage there and it was with a GOP President in place. They now have a GOP advantage in their Senate and expect it WILL be passed....and their resoning for pushing this was for items pushed through at a federal level by a GOP leadership....so this is not some partisan effort to take shots at Obama. With nearly half of the states having introduced this already or seriously considering it, yes there should be some attention drawn to it.

The states that have drawn these up are not united in their reasons, nor are they all pulling together for any type of cause like the South did when slavery was abolished. That is what makes this somewhat compelling and more of a real curiousity at this point rather than a cause for major concern. My reasoning behind this post was more of a "have you even heard about this in your area and what do you think?" than anything else.
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...oklahoma...lol

I agree with what Lalanae said. Usually the media won't report on such things until they seem to be gaining enough traction to have a chance of happening. Remember, these are the people who are following the acts of legislators more so than any others. They are at the hearings and talking to the law makers. People on the peripheral tend to get over excited and forget that a lot of legislation is filed as a show to their constituents that they mean business. Considering the district of the bill's author is along the rural outskirts of Ok. City, I imagine a lot of folks would be happy with his want to sever OK. St. gov. from federal gov.

Furthermore, a quick google search yields that St. Rep. Charles Key, the man who authored the legislation in question, still believes that brown folks were behind the Oklahoma City Bombing. But he still purports THE TRUTH. Also, in a recent election, he arranged to have his opponent evicted from her home in order to get her off the ballot (state law requires residency in your district to run for office). That should raise a red flag over the traction of the legislation.

Beyond that, even if it did pass, current federal legislation would persist. The Supreme Court would have the final say so on that one.

Also, did i mention that people in OK are crazy?

Kilmoll, what are you trying to prove by posing this question? Do you really think a civil war is on the horizon? I ask in earnest.
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:
Lalanae wrote:While the media not covering something may smell like conspiracy to someone who enjoys fantasizing about the day that he and his militia kin can wander the streets and "protect" themselves against "illegals," for the rest of us, it simply means that "rumors" are not news.

Is that right you stupid cunt? You do realize that Okalhoma's House passed this resolution by a 92-3 vote last year before it stalled in the Senate. And they have more votes for it in their Senate this year and believe it will pass? Oh...thats right...it came from someone who doesn't share your views so it must be false. Do some research before chiming in you fuckwit.
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No. I don't own a musket.
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Gzette wrote:...oklahoma...lol

I agree with what Lalanae said. Usually the media won't report on such things until they seem to be gaining enough traction to have a chance of happening. Remember, these are the people who are following the acts of legislators more so than any others. They are at the hearings and talking to the law makers. People on the peripheral tend to get over excited and forget that a lot of legislation is filed as a show to their constituents that they mean business. Considering the district of the bill's author is along the rural outskirts of Ok. City, I imagine a lot of folks would be happy with his want to sever OK. St. gov. from federal gov.

Furthermore, a quick google search yields that St. Rep. Charles Key, the man who authored the legislation in question, still believes that brown folks were behind the Oklahoma City Bombing. But he still purports THE TRUTH. Also, in a recent election, he arranged to have his opponent evicted from her home in order to get her off the ballot (state law requires residency in your district to run for office). That should raise a red flag over the traction of the legislation.

Beyond that, even if it did pass, current federal legislation would persist. The Supreme Court would have the final say so on that one.

Also, did i mention that people in OK are crazy?

Kilmoll, what are you trying to prove by posing this question? Do you really think a civil war is on the horizon? I ask in earnest.
Well the problem is there IS enough there to be considered more than traction and at this point it would be a very good chance of at least one state following through. The list of states that have actually got this already in the works is :

Oklahoma
Washington
New Hampshire
Arizona
Montana
Michigan
Missouri
California
Georgia

Those that I have seen rumors of pushing a bill into the legislature in the near future are Colorado, Hawaii, Pennsylvania, Arkansas, Idaho, Indiana, Alaska, Kansas, Alabama, Nevada, Maine, and Illinois.

Now that list of of 9 that already have put this into bills is what really surprises me. That is not a selection of rural misfit states....some of those are Democrat strongholds. Do I really foresee a full secession of states? Probably not...unless the federal government really pulls some stupid shit. It is really the bipartisan nature of all this that should have garnered more attention.....especially since (and I will bold this since some of you seem to have missed it)
It sailed through the Republican-controlled state House, passing 92-3, but was not taken up in the evenly split Senate. Republicans picked up two Senate seats in November’s election to have a 26-22 majority.
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Whoa shit I better go out and buy a bunch of guns for the coming war. Before OBAMA tries to take them all away.
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The whole goal if this is only to force the supreme court to rule on the legality of some actions of the federal government, as to whether or not they are over stepping their bounds as defined in the constitution...
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Fash wrote:The whole goal if this is only to force the supreme court to rule on the legality of some actions of the federal government, as to whether or not they are over stepping their bounds as defined in the constitution...
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There was a similar goal in the 1800's. And although slavery was indeed wrong, the federal government did not have a constitutional right to end slavery until the amendment was added 4 years after the civil war began. In fact, several states had already seceeded before Lincoln took office....and the federal government regarded that as rebellion. There really is no way to predict what can happen when you combine a lot of bad things like we have going right now.

What happens if we end up in a major depression in the midst of this? Are people more apt to turn violent? Do you truly think there is no chance of anything like that happening again here?
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Do you truly think there is no chance of anything like that happening again here?
No, there's no chance, but continue living your life in fear if it makes you feel better.
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Killmol's hardon for living Red Dawn IRL aside, the only place this has any real impact is Cali. California is in the middle of a huge budget crisis that is equal parts partisan gerymandering gridlock assclwonery, delliberate economic fuckovers from Texan energy companies, and the fact that the state pays out way more to the Fed than it ever recieves. California would actually be way better off fiscally if it were to secede, but then the bunch of third world redneck jesus loving shitholes in the southeast would be fucked, so this has zero chance of ever happening. If it did and the Supreme Court upheld it, then there would be civil war because there is no fucking way the country would survive the loss of such a huge chunk of its economy. The midwest would revert to a fucking agrarian barter society overnight and the deep south would be even worse off within a decade. There is no way the Federal government would ever let this occur.
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I'm hoping that after the collapse, at least one of the new break-away republics of North America is a social democratic state! :roll:
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I don't think any one issue facing this country today is as galvanizing and divisive as slavery was in the mid 19th century. Not even close actually. so yeah, no civil war.

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Gzette wrote:Texas hates California.
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What's so civil about war anyway?
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Fairweather Pure wrote:What's so civil about war anyway?
what's so Chinese about democracy anyway?
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From an outsider's perspective, it does seem like there are some deep political/philosophical divides but as Gzette said, nothing seems to be as large as the slavery issue was back in the 19th century. Also, while there may be "red" and "blue" states, you don't seem to be divided as firmly on the geographic lines as you were leading up to, during and even after the US civil war, which barring some type of appocopalyptic catastrophe seems pretty far fetched. Where would the lines of alliances be drawn?

Another question is this: if the states passing this "right to secede" legislation were to all leave the US, where would the impetus be to force them back into the fold? Our mindsets, as nations and individuals are vastly different than during the 1860s. Would your Supreme Court uphold the legality of forcing rogue states back in the union? Up here the Supreme Court of Canada told the Canadian gov't before Quebec's 2nd referendum on sovereignty (in the mid 90s... fucking seperatists and their mulligans: they keep wanting to do it over until they get a result they like) essentially that if the majority vote to seperate, in an election-style plebiscite, the gov't of Canada doesn't have a right to stop them. Now I realize there are some differences in our laws and constitutions that might come into play but is that a possibility in the US as well?
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I believe that the events leading and extending into the Civil War pretty much cement that it is technically illegal to secede from the US. I could be wrong here and constitutional law has not been very strongly adhered to lately, anyhow, but in principle no they cannot legally secede. Strategically, there is no way in hell any of the states would be allowed to, either, because the any of the big states leaving would shitcan the economy of the US and the small states cannot fiscally survive on their own. I guess I could see a scenario where a major state like Cali or Texas that can sustain itself would try and bust away if pushed to the limit by the federal, but unless our entire military was commited elsewhere, it would last all of about a week before it got crushed. Incidentally, despite what people might think, Bush kept a fairly large chunk of the military stateside on the off chance martial law would need to be enacted under the fine print of the Homeland Security act (to deal with, say, Killmol's militia friends or a liberal grass roots uprising) and I don't think this policy has changed since the transition of power.

One last point I would like to make here:
As much as we would like to tell ourselves that the Civil War was about the morality of slavery, that simply is not true. It was about the economics of slavery. The north had advanced culturally and technologically past the south to a degree where the only way for them to remain economically competitive (sound familiar?) was to engage in a barbaric practice, namely owning slaves. The northern industrialists were pretty much just using abolishonists to break the back of the medevial class system of the south. Whether that was to bring them into the modern era or achieve financial dominance is a matter of some debate, but the point is that the Civil War was about money, not morality. In that sense, a civil war is certainly possible in the modern era, given the current state of affairs with the economy. But, ultimately as I said in another thread on gun control, there is simply no way the modern military would not utterly crush even the slightest uprising because of the disparity of technology and training that exists between our military and the average gun toting citizen in this country.
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Jice Virago wrote:
But, ultimately as I said in another thread on gun control, there is simply no way the modern military would not utterly crush even the slightest uprising because of the disparity of technology and training that exists between our military and the average gun toting citizen in this country.
Oh really? You mean like in Vietnam? Or like in Iraq? Currently the US military has approximately 3 million members. There are roughly 140 million gun owners in the US. The only way the US government could hope to deal with an uprising is with armor and air assaults...which would do something that would cause too much collateral damage on their homefront. This is not the 1800's dipshit. Geurilla type tactics would make it impossible to squash an uprising if even 1/10th of the gun owners ended up on the side of a rebellion.

I am definitely not wanting to see any type of secession. It would not lead to anything good.
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I realize you live in a Minuteman fantasy world where the events of Red Dawn seem plausable, but......
Viet Nam was a limited political engagement on foreign soil against an indigenous people in dense jungle who knew the terrain. The level of satalite and electronic assisted warfare that exists now completely dwarfs the standard infantryman's gear and training by such a wide margine that I cannot believe even you are trying to make this comparison.

The Iraq analogy is even worse, as it actually disproves your entire argument. Our troops are vastly outnumbered by the local population (who are even getting outside military arms assistance) and we still control the region, more or less. We certainly are not going to be driven out through force. We rolled that entire country (which was credibly considered among the top ten militaries at the time, if I am not mistaken) in under a couple weeks. I am willing to bet that the average Iraqi foot soldier was better armed and trained that the rednecks you are out playing paintball in the woods with every weekend. The certainly had more combat experience.

The reality is that with satalite guided drone and air strikes, more than half of the wolverines of Michigan and/or gangbangers of SoCal would be dead day one before they ever even got within eyeshot of an actual physical soldier. That is, unless you guys are gluing bottle rockets to your fucking cesnas up there or think you can repell US airpower by hiding in a fucking pinetree forest like Rambo or something. The current modern warfare capabilities of the US military are nothing short of ridiculous and space age compared to what was standard even a decade ago. If an internal uprising started and the military did NOT take part in the descent, it would be utterly quashed in short order. No ifs ands or buts.

Add in to this the fact that the average lazy american would knuckle under after about a week of no food or video games, and you take out the issues of occupation that the military face(ed) in Iraq and Viet Nam. Let a few contractors loot the resources of a rebelious state and you can even get some blackwater and halliburton action in on the deal. We are already privatizing parts of the prison and law enforcement in this country, so this would just be a small step further. How long do you honestly think you would hold out in the north woods with no food or water and IR tracking systems sweeping the area for you and your wolverine buddies?

Short of it, there is no way that any part of the US would have the force of will for an uprising and even if they did, it would get curb stomped so fast it would be ridiculous. Shorter of it, you are fucking deluded if you think a couple idiots with AKs are going to hold off the modern US military.
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The US government is not going to dump bombs in US neighborhoods. Period. Second, you fat stupid fuck, I have absolutely no fantasy about ever having to fight anyone. I have a wife and young daughter that I hope don't ever have to live through anything of this sort. My state has had no part in these discussions and you liberal fucktards are the ones transposing me into this as some kind of participant because you have incredibly limited conginitive abilities. You DO understand I am in no way affiliated with the government of ANY of the states listed right?

God this is why I hate liberals. Stupid fucking idealist retards.
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Mmhmm, they're idealists, and you're clinging on to the concept that a militia can oust the government from 200 years ago.

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Are we closing in on a new Civil War?
No. Now shut the fuck up.
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Jice Virago wrote: That is, unless you guys are gluing bottle rockets to your fucking cesnas up there or think you can repell US airpower by hiding in a fucking pinetree forest like Rambo or something.
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:The US government is not going to dump bombs in US neighborhoods. Period. Second, you fat stupid fuck, I have absolutely no fantasy about ever having to fight anyone. I have a wife and young daughter that I hope don't ever have to live through anything of this sort. My state has had no part in these discussions and you liberal fucktards are the ones transposing me into this as some kind of participant because you have incredibly limited conginitive abilities. You DO understand I am in no way affiliated with the government of ANY of the states listed right?

God this is why I hate liberals. Stupid fucking idealist retards.
How is extolling the power and might of the US military being a "liberal elitist" ? I mean, aside from using reasoning and rational thought, of course. You are the fucking moron who keeps stating that, and I quote:
Rush Limbaugh's Sock Puppet wrote: Geurilla type tactics would make it impossible to squash an uprising if even 1/10th of the gun owners ended up on the side of a rebellion.
Meanwhile, I point out the blindingly obvious, that the fucking ewoks will NOT win the battle against the empire in the real world. Your reaction is to fly off the fucking handle in an indignant rage shouting "DURN ELEETIST LIBRULLLZZZ!!" at the top of your lungs, like being intelligent and open minded is some kind of stigma. Just fucking man up and admit you were completely wrong on that point and we can move on. Until you do, I am going to continue to poke your soft underbelly on this point just to see you flail around for my own personal entertainment.

Oh, and if you think the US won't bomb its own people if provoked, you are sorely mistaken. The government has been doing rotten shit to its own citizens for DECADES, sometimes to enforce order (Waco) and sometimes just to satify its own curiosity (injecting blacks with STDs). Maybe you forgot how a bunch of college students got gunned down right there in your home state just for protesting a war. If you think the prospect of economic oblivion would not be enough to get a couple laser guided crowd pleasers dumped on a neighborhood or two to make examples of people, then you are extremely niave. This is a government that outs covert agents just to score political revenge points and cuts deals with afgan drug lords just to keep the status quo. If its back were against the wall, I have no doubt that anything short of the nuclear arsenal would be on the table. There is a very good reason why the bulk of modern military research is in the area of population suppression and it is not just so we can keep down a bunch of arabs while we steal their oil.
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We all know how good the US military is at pwning random citizens with guns.. I mean, look how fast we won the war in the neighborhoods of Iraq..

Oh, wait.
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When Iraq pushes us out of the fucking country, then we can have this discussion. We control the oilfields and the political epicenters of the country. The dust ridden shit holes that no one cares about, not so much, but then again Sadam didn't exactly expend a lot of effort in those places either. Where it has been convenient, we bought off the enemy, sometimes to do our dirty work for us. And for the record, keeping a bunch of religious whack jobs from ethnic cleansing each other while protecting our oil interests is a lot different from quashing a bunch of red necks with 306s out in the north woods who want to bring down the government.
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Here's a tip. People that actually live here and have done so all of their lives, know where weaknesses are in the system a lot better than some crazy fuck from half way across the world (though they know a bunch as well). It wouldn't be very hard to seriously throw a wrench into the government and do damage. Granted, I'm probably referring more to domestic terrorism than civil war, but people are stupid so let's just assume that they'd go for the 'bang' factor. Sure, civilians aren't going to get hold of any nukes or little green balls full of chemicals, but to think that there's nothing a concentrated group of civilians could do in this country is ignorance. The military isn't going to flatten entire US cities or towns to quell an uprising. I'd even go so far as to say that there's no current plan on how to handle such a thing on US soil.
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Siji wrote: The military isn't going to flatten entire US cities or towns to quell an uprising. I'd even go so far as to say that there's no current plan on how to handle such a thing on US soil.
well there kind of are plans on that. Some of it is probably tin foil hat stuff, but there has been planning by the government and they have built detainment facilities across the country. Most of them are on old military bases. I would have to look up some crap from some other forums to try and find links...and again much of it has to be taken with a grain of salt as some of them really do need their tin foil.....but the fact is there are areas specifically designed for rounding people up here in the US. I believe that they actually are run by FEMA, but again I would have to look a lot of that up. The US military in certain branches also has a screening process that questions whether the recruitd are willing to take the life of US citizens if ordered to do so....but then you never know what you will do in that situation until you come to it.
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:
Siji wrote: The military isn't going to flatten entire US cities or towns to quell an uprising. I'd even go so far as to say that there's no current plan on how to handle such a thing on US soil.
well there kind of are plans on that. Some of it is probably tin foil hat stuff, but there has been planning by the government and they have built detainment facilities across the country. Most of them are on old military bases. I would have to look up some crap from some other forums to try and find links...and again much of it has to be taken with a grain of salt as some of them really do need their tin foil.....but the fact is there are areas specifically designed for rounding people up here in the US. I believe that they actually are run by FEMA, but again I would have to look a lot of that up. The US military in certain branches also has a screening process that questions whether the recruitd are willing to take the life of US citizens if ordered to do so....but then you never know what you will do in that situation until you come to it.
teehee, between the illegals and the criminals you can't detain all the people you want to now, but large swathes of the population, there's just oodles of space lying idle in case.

At least now I know you're just a paranoid rather than a complete idiot.
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they are not prisons fuckhead....not any more so than Gitmo was. Some of the people on certain forums believe these places were built to house and process illegals in before they deport them in some kind of massive roundup. Some other believe they are built to house people as part of disaster relief planning. One of the odd things about that theory was the way the places are built, such as being designed to keep people in rather than out. Razor wire set up inside and other subtle things. Never seen one in person and have no inside knowledge with government officials to know for sure and I did not claim to.

Why are you so intent on taking every single thing I post and making it into a statement that it is my personal belief anyway? Here is one you CAN take as my personal belief....I believe you and most of the other liberals on here are complete tools that I would indeed dislike face ot face as much as I dislike your forum persona. I can probably count on one hand the ones I think I could tolerate having a discussion with IRL.
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:I can probably count on one hand the ones I think I could tolerate having a discussion with IRL.
Am I on that hand?
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:they are not prisons fuckhead....not any more so than Gitmo was. Some of the people on certain forums believe these places were built to house and process illegals in before they deport them in some kind of massive roundup. Some other believe they are built to house people as part of disaster relief planning. One of the odd things about that theory was the way the places are built, such as being designed to keep people in rather than out. Razor wire set up inside and other subtle things. Never seen one in person and have no inside knowledge with government officials to know for sure and I did not claim to.

Why are you so intent on taking every single thing I post and making it into a statement that it is my personal belief anyway? Here is one you CAN take as my personal belief....I believe you and most of the other liberals on here are complete tools that I would indeed dislike face ot face as much as I dislike your forum persona. I can probably count on one hand the ones I think I could tolerate having a discussion with IRL.
Awww but I'm not a liberal, fucktard. I don't believe 95% of what I hear from either side, it's the true believers from both sides that make me sick to the stomach, but at least the ones on the left have a wider interest than me, myself and I. Even if it is misguided much of the time.

And if you don't believe something, why repeat it? Because you have turrets? Or you're just a jackass?

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I can probably count on one hand the ones I think I could tolerate having a discussion with IRL.
There's a lot less hatred and cursing in real life.
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Naw, the folks who have met me IRL can vouch that I am just as big an asshole to peoples faces.
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Jice Virago wrote:Naw, the folks who have met me IRL can vouch that I am just as big an asshole to peoples faces.
This is true. And I'm a friend.
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Update: Oklahoma's House passed 'secession" bill by an 83-13 vote this week. Fun times ahead!
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Update: Oklahoma's House passed 'secession" bill by an 83-13 vote this week. Fun times ahead!
I thought it was a sovereignty bill, not a secession bill. Do you have a link to the text?

Also, nobody cares about Oklahoma.
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Oklahoma House Votes 83 to 13 to Restore Sovereignty Under the 10th Amendment Over All Powers Not Granted to the Federal Government

On Wednesday the Oklahoma House of Representatives became the first state legislative body this year to pass a resolution affirming its "sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government by the Constitution of the United States." This resolution, HJR1003, was passed by a very large margin, 83 to 13 on February 18. At least another 20 state legislatures are considering similar resolutions.
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Spang wrote:
Oklahoma House Votes 83 to 13 to Restore Sovereignty Under the 10th Amendment Over All Powers Not Granted to the Federal Government

On Wednesday the Oklahoma House of Representatives became the first state legislative body this year to pass a resolution affirming its "sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government by the Constitution of the United States." This resolution, HJR1003, was passed by a very large margin, 83 to 13 on February 18. At least another 20 state legislatures are considering similar resolutions.
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Wouldn't it be reaffirming? IIRC, The Constitution gives all powers to the individual States that are not otherwise granted to the federal government. It's been awhile since AP Government, though.
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Aardor wrote:Wouldn't it be reaffirming? IIRC, The Constitution gives all powers to the individual States that are not otherwise granted to the federal government. It's been awhile since AP Government, though.
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