Message to Scientology

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This video showed up on YouTube 3 days ago, posted by a group called "Anonymous"... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCbKv9yiLiQ

Closing in on 500k views.

I corrected the youtube posted script to match the video:
Anonymous wrote: Hello, Leaders of Scientology. We are Anonymous.

Over the years, we have been watching you. Your campaigns of misinformation; your suppression of dissent; your litigious nature, all of these things have caught our eye. With the leakage of your latest propaganda video into mainstream circulation, the extent of your malign influence over those who have come to trust you as leaders, has been made clear to us. Anonymous has therefore decided that your organization should be destroyed. For the good of your followers, for the good of mankind and for our own enjoyment--we shall proceed to expel you from the Internet and systematically dismantle the Church of Scientology in its present form. We recognize you are serious opponents, and do not expect our campaign to be completed in a short time frame. However, You will not prevail forever against the angry masses of the body politic. Your choice of methods, your hypocrisy, and the general artlessness of your organization have sounded its death knell.

You have nowhere to hide because we are everywhere.

You will find no recourse in attack, because for each of us that falls, 10 more will take this place.

We are cognizant of the many who may decry our methods as parallel to those of the Church of Scientology. Those who espouse the obvious truth that your organization will use the actions of Anonymous as an example of the persecution of which you have for so long warned your followers; this is acceptable. In fact, it is encouraged. We are your SPs.

Over time, as we begin to merge our pulse with that of your "Church", the suppression of your followers will become increasingly difficult to maintain. Believers will become aware that salvation needn't come at the expense of their livelihood. They will become aware that the stress and the frustration that they feel is not due to us, but a source much closer to them. Yes, we are SPs. But the sum of suppression we could ever muster is eclipsed by that of your own RTC.

Knowledge is free.

We are Anonymous.

We are Legion.

We do not forgive.

WE DO NOT FORGET.

Expect us.
I like this idea of going after this ridiculous cult, that is playing with peoples heads and taking their money, and making it impossible for them to continue... just on principle.

It sounds like it has a hacker element in it when mentioning expelling them from the internet. I'm always one to say that anything is possible, but I think that would very difficult to accomplish.

Will the media pick up on this and usher in being able to discuss the legitimacy and methods of Scientology?...
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Haha,
Looks like the action has already started.

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It's good to see the chans doing something useful instead of posting kiddie porn and anime crap.
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Does Scientology really fucking matter enough to attack? Aren't there enough evils in the world that we concentrate any attention on a wacko cult for rich people?
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Ashur wrote:Does Scientology really fucking matter enough to attack? Aren't there enough evils in the world that we concentrate any attention on a wacko cult for rich people?
Yes. No.

And it's not just rich people.
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I don't know why you people insist on calling them a "wacko cult". It's totally normal for a religion to have a Navy.
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Haha... Sea Org is weird as hell... It's a good thing they only have 1 boat!
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Members of the Sea Org sign an employment contract with the organization for one billion years.[6] Sea Org members, in accordance with Scientology beliefs, are expected to return to the Sea Org when they are reborn. The motto of the Sea Org is, "Revenimus" or "We Come Back" in Latin.

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Sylvus wrote:I don't know why you people insist on calling them a "wacko cult". It's totally normal for a religion to have a Navy.
I believe Disney has the 6th or 7th largest Navy in the world. Just an intersting bit of info.
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Ashur wrote:Does Scientology really fucking matter enough to attack? Aren't there enough evils in the world that we concentrate any attention on a wacko cult for rich people?
The thing is it isn't the rich people who suffer under scientology. It's normal folks who are in psychic/spiritual crisis and seek them out for "help" who are the true victims. There are really two scientologies, one for the rich and another for the normal folks - who pay for the classes/services with their time as workers in the orgs. It completely consumes their lives, removing them from society entirely. Crazy shit.

http://www.xenu.net is a good place to start if you desire more info. In a way, dismissing scientology as a rich person's playground is a major disservice to those who have lost large chunks of their lives to it's rabbit hole.

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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews ... w-1983.htm

Wow. Wow. Wow.
NM on just that link. That whole website is amazing. Holy shit it's even scarier than I ever thought.
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I don't see how anyone can take it seriously when they start quoting time frames in "trillions" of years. Eleventybillion maybe...trillions? Nope.
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Animale wrote:The thing is it isn't the rich people who suffer under scientology. It's normal folks who are in psychic/spiritual crisis and seek them out for "help" who are the true victims. There are really two scientologies, one for the rich and another for the normal folks - who pay for the classes/services with their time as workers in the orgs. It completely consumes their lives, removing them from society entirely. Crazy shit.
A little Baptist church in Wayland Michigan did the same thing to my grandmother. It completely consumed her life and they siphoned her life savings in less than 5 years time. I guess you need a whacko celebrity before anyone cares about situations like that though.

Christian churches do it every single day. No one cares because they're used to the rhetoric and fantasy bullshit of Jesus. It's engrained in our society wether we like it or not. Scientology freaks people out because it's a new religion. Meanwhile, the old religions are somehow getting a free ride with all thier equally whacked out beliefs.

As someone who is not religious, it's pretty fucked up watching all this go down. I have a hard time deciding who I detest more.
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i worked with a "scientologist" once. Poor gal would work 8-10 hours a day, then go to the "church" and work for another 4-6 hours every weekday and 8-10 hours a day on weekends. She also contributed a major chunk of her paycheck every 2 weeks to the church. It was pathetic to watch her open her brown bag every day at lunch and eat a few crackers and some tuna because it was all she could afford after her salvation payments.

I'd say there's enough evil from the one real example I have on scientology to back anyone that wants to rip that place down.
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Christianity is similar, just substitute the financial scam with murdering Indians....come to think of it, there is a finance part to some christian facets....


I'd probably give more of a shit about scientology if the country wasn't already watered down with a fuckload of other fairy tale belief systems.
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Fairweather Pure wrote: A little Baptist church in Wayland Michigan did the same thing to my grandmother. It completely consumed her life and they siphoned her life savings in less than 5 years time. I guess you need a whacko celebrity before anyone cares about situations like that though.

Christian churches do it every single day. No one cares because they're used to the rhetoric and fantasy bullshit of Jesus. It's engrained in our society wether we like it or not. Scientology freaks people out because it's a new religion. Meanwhile, the old religions are somehow getting a free ride with all thier equally whacked out beliefs.

As someone who is not religious, it's pretty fucked up watching all this go down. I have a hard time deciding who I detest more.
The difference here is that most Christian churches do not make it a point to take the entire life savings of their members. That isn't to say that it doesn't happen (just look at the televangelists, etc.) but it is not an institutional requirement. In Scientology, members are encouraged/forced to give everything they have, PLUS all the debt they can accumulate, to the church. Take out credit cards and max them, take second, third, fourth mortgages. Crazy stuff, and it is how they do business on a day to day basis organization-wide.

Again, http://www.xenu.net or http://www.lermanet.com are good places to understand how whacked out this thing is.

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Animale wrote: The difference here is that most Christian churches do not make it a point to take the entire life savings of their members. That isn't to say that it doesn't happen (just look at the televangelists, etc.) but it is not an institutional requirement. In Scientology, members are encouraged/forced to give everything they have, PLUS all the debt they can accumulate, to the church. Take out credit cards and max them, take second, third, fourth mortgages. Crazy stuff, and it is how they do business on a day to day basis organization-wide.
How in debt is Tom Cruise? He must have a line of credit in the 10's of millions to fork over along with every movie paycheck...or is he on the receiving side of things?
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Actually, L. Ron supported giving everything to celebrities for free, and allowing them to donate whatever they wanted. Celebrities bring in the sheep for slaughter.

youtube is getting a lot of videos about scientology... some are pretty funny. this link will always show the newest stuff: http://www.youtube.com/results?uploaded ... e_uploaded
http://www.youtube.com/results?uploaded ... e_uploaded

They're also planning masked mobs at scientology centers. :lol: I want to see the footage of this...
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The second address by Anonymous is to the common scientologist followers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yozvaMGk ... ture=bz303
Script as posted wrote: To the common Scientologists,
We are Anonymous.
You have seen our actions, both online and in your cities.
We do not threaten you, the people.
We threaten the lies, the corruption and the greed of the organization.
We have not acted upon a whim, but in outrage of the treatment of its followers...


You.
You have not been given freedom by these people.
They have restricted you.
There is a realm of the internet you have not dared to face,
because they said so, and because they have stopped you by technological means.
There are those who have left your community.
They have seen the facts behind the leader and the original intent of the religion.


Your religious beliefs are not wrong, like any other religion, and they are yours to keep.
However beliefs should not come at a price. Not from your wallet or compromising your thoughts.
Those who have left feel a new life, a rebirth into true freedom.
You can join them if you wish.
You may not believe us. We ask of you one thing:
Make up your own mind.
That is a sentence of more profound meaning for you now than at any other time in your life.


Visit the facts.
Make up your own mind.
You are not alone.
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One anonymous, to all anonymous: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SewQV9DXCYo&NR=1
Script as posted wrote: The following is a message to anonymous, from anonymous.

Hello.

There are two parts to the battle against the current incarnation of the Church of Scientology.

The first part is simple. It is a contest between us and our own weakness. Victory here means continuing to pay attention and contribute to the cause. Defeat means giving up and losing interest.

We are currently winning this part of the battle. We will continue to do so for some time. Even the most cynical, jaded, "internet is serious business" style nerds are excitedly bouncing up and down in their chairs over our coming victory over the forces of the Church of Scientology.

However, even a seemingly simple victory such as this is not guaranteed. This is where you come in. You may not be an elite hacker. You may not have any media contacts. But if you do something to make another human being sit in their chair and pay attention, you are contributing.

If you get out of your chair and bring the internet out onto the streets, you are contributing.

Without contributions such as these, eventually the most dedicated anonymous who are doing the heavy lifting will lose interest. If you are anonymous, and you are watching this, and you wish to see anonymous succeed, your job is obvious and simple. Contribute.

The second part of the battle is more difficult. It is a contest between us and the Church of Scientology - not of weapons or might, but of public relations.

Imagine for a moment, someone's grandfather.

He does not understand the internet. He gets his news from traditional sources such as television, the radio, and newspapers. If television, the radio, and newspapers say that dangerous terrorist hackers are infringing on the freedom of religion of the poor oppressed Scientologists, he will have no reason to disagree. If this happens, we lose.

The Church of Scientology has an innate advantage here. They have expensive suits, buildings, money, and attractive spokespeople. We have none of these things. We have facts on our side, but even the most optimistic among you know that telling the truth does not always win public relations battles.

This is why the way we present our arguments is the most important decision to make.

CNN does not need to be Rick Rolled. Fox News does not like mudkips, no matter what hearsay evidence you have. Do not ask them. The editor of your local newspaper does not need over 9000 letters from you. One will be sufficient.

Your fellow anons need encouragement in the form of lulz. But someone's grandfather needs clean cut respectable people making centrist arguments, and he is the one who will decide whether we win the second battle. We need both lulz and respectability to win, but never confuse the two. Remember who your audience is whenever you make a statement.

We are making history. Do not screw it up, internet. Zug Zug motherfuckers!
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lol... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHFqNySAiR4
Dear Anonymous, we are The Regime.

Your attacks on Scientology have not gone unnoticed, we have the money, resources and tools to put an end to your SP behaviour and so called hacking activities. You have soiled the good name of LRH and now it is you that have *our* attention.

We are hackers of the highest degree, and we fight the good fight not just for now but for eternity. The next trillions of years are at stake, so you have been declared fair game.

We have your IP addresses, your docs and your secret plans. We own your 711chan, your IRC and we are taking care of your raid forums.

Call off your attacks on our religion immediately or 4chan, ytmd, Something Awful and your other bases will be brought to ruin.

Do not underestimate us.

You are out of your league.

You have been warned.
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Don't think "The Regime" really know what they are dealing with here tbh.

Edit: Yeah, The "Regime" got taken out in about 5 minutes. Apparantly they were full of shit (surprise surprise).
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Message to Scientology, Ladyan0n speaks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oDo0fp8elo
Scientology,

Do you see now? Supporters and members of Anonymous are growing. We are all willing and ready for our worthy opposition. We know your tactics, we know how you think. We know the moment a person walks into the door of Dianetics they are greeted by a maliciously friendly smile...and offered a free personality test. They have the newcomer take a seat and watch videos of Scientology.

Tell me, is it usually not the videos of the Church of Scientology's Volunteer Ministry Corps? Showing how you brainwash and manipulate the weak, with TOTAL disregard for their own beliefs? When the videos are over a representative will finally come and give you a free personality test; the only thing free ever offered from Scientology. Then they are told that their life is not well, that one is not happy, even though one has no idea of it. More hospitality is shown, more trust gained. It usually starts off with a simple $5 book, "The Road to Happiness."

Tell me Scientology, how many times has that book been updated? What starts off as a simple $5 book ends up in thousands of dollars of courses to "Better Oneself." Then, there is auditing, how different is that from your rival of psychiatry? All you have us do is repeat the same event until we come to terms with it. Isn't that what a psychiatrist does? What is the difference if you both charge? And Scientology who charges even more. I walked into Scientology at the age of nine. I was stuck into lecture halls with people three times my age.

Yes, you are like a predator, you've lured in the weak and vulnerable. I remember a young girl at the age of 11 who was already in the Sea Org, even the U.S Military waits until the age of 18. I remember that day, she wore a pretty pink nail polish on her finger nails, they looked as though they were bitten off anxiously, yet she still wore that uniform proudly...I never saw that girl, after that day. I remember completing a few courses. They have you take a test on the E-Meter when you are done.

They ask you questions: Would you recommend this course to a friend? Did you learn anything from this course? Did you enjoy the course? To all these questions I answered yes. To all these questions the answers were lies. Yet for each course that I took I passed, I passed My-every-last-course. You are trying to bring truth, Scientology, you are trying to spread it. Yet that very ideal, shall be your downfall.
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So this one guy posts in support of scientology, telling anonymous to stand down... so they've posted his personal information all over the place, and there are about 100 response videos including death threats. this one's pretty brutal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amqf8ELLmCA



and here's another anti-anonymous threat from another alleged hacker/group: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbjhOi8HzL0
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If the guy is idiotic enough to think he can take on the chans, he deserves whatever he gets. Think of it as internet natural selection.
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"We find ourselves on the forefront of a battle for the minds and spiritual energy of the entire human race," stated Cruise. "It's going to take the resources of all Scientologists, from the lowly street sweeper to the nuclear physicist to push back against his subversive suppression of religious freedom. We will not rest until the entire human race is cleared."

Cruise played for reporters the most recent YouTube communication from "Anonymous".

"Note the stilted, mechanical, almost Borg-like quality to the voice," stated Cruise. "Sea Org has, with 99% certainty, matched the voice of the narrator to archival recordings of Xenu in our possession. We will be turning over our findings to the FBI, and our lawyers will begin pushing for charges of hate crimes to be brought by legal authorities."
http://www.unconfirmedsources.com/index.php?itemid=2953

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He knows what a Borg is! I'm impressed. And a few days ago Jon Stewart made a comment about the Borg Collective on the Daily Show. I think Star Trek is finally getting the coverage it deserves, 15 years later!
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Um...isn't the "borg like" voice from Anonymous just the built in voice synthesizer in windows? I doubt any of the hacker types would be stupid enough not to use a completely generic mix of text-to-speech voices.
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Yeah.. the flood of videos online are all TTS based... very easy to do.

The quote above about them tracking the voice has to be a joke.
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I see Scientology as more an organization than a religion anyway. An evil organization! I don't really see where hate crime fits into it.

Last I heard Cruise had identified the narrator as Stephen Hawking!
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Who are "the chans"?
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"Don't break your back scrubbing floors--- get yourself a nigger, that's what they were born for." - L. Ron Hubbard


Me thinks L. Ron might have been a wee bit racist.
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Aabidano wrote:Who are "the chans"?
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:"Don't break your back scrubbing floors--- get yourself a nigger, that's what they were born for." - L. Ron Hubbard


Me thinks L. Ron might have been a wee bit racist.
This is something his 2nd wife claims he said to her that was written in a letter. It is not a direct quote. His diary seemed chuck full of legitimate racisim, so I don't think it's required to go by what someone claims he said.
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The progress of the attack was closely monitored by network security tools firm Arbor Networks. Dr Jose Nazario, senior security engineer at Arbor Networks, said threats to attack the websites associated with the Church of Scientology were acted out.

The waves of ongoing attacks witnessed by Arbor lasted an average of 30 minutes consuming an average of 168 Mbps and peaking out at 220 Mbps.

"This is on the high side of an attack, but significantly smaller than the largest ones we commonly see nowadays," writes Nazario. "The attacks used in this case are common, garden variety DDoS attacks."

Danny McPherson, chief research officer at Arbor, added that the attacks were ongoing though diminishing in intensity. He stated that the ferocity of the attacks was on the same level as those thrown against Estonia last year. The technical sophistication applied to the attacks is fairly basic. Networks of compromised machines are being used in some cases, he added.

"The attacks are mostly brute force flooding. Some of the attacks start and stop from a bank of machines at exactly the same time so there have definitely been bots employed," McPherson told El Reg.
This is just a minor annoyance to those in charge and probably great propaganda to feed to the brainwashed masses.

I truly despise the CoS and it's methods (not it's rank and file members).
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A weird part of me hopes Scientology florishes in the next decade. I can't put my finger on why exactly. Perhaps just for a big "fuck you" to the current ruling religions that all started out with the same prejudice and hatred directed at them by the then ruling religions. There are so many things in common with start up religions, it's simply amazing. It even goes right down to the controversial leader!

It's just kind of cool seeing it all start from the ground up, so to speak. It's equally entertaining to see everyone hound them so bad while they ignore thier own religious fallacies and mystical theologies.

What the hell, GO SCIENTOLOGY!
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I agree with Fair. Hopefully this puts some doubts into the minds of other religious fuckos.
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That's the unintended bonus of a war against scientology... that some of the attacks used on the information in scientology will lead others to further question other religious texts. It would certainly set a precedent...

But... While other religions might be as bogus as Scientology, I don't know any which completely rape the bank accounts and minds of members as much as CoS.
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Fash wrote:But... While other religions might be as bogus as Scientology, I don't know any which completely rape the bank accounts and minds of members as much as CoS.
A quick background check on the history of the most powerful religions in the world will open your eyes :) They all do/did it. If they could get away with it, they'd do it themselves. Most religions settle on 10% of everything for now :P
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Nancy Cartwright, voice of Bart Simpson, donated 10 million dollars to scientology. That's more than Tom Cruise gave in his lifetime.
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Lynks wrote:Nancy Cartwright, voice of Bart Simpson, donated 10 million dollars to scientology. That's more than Tom Cruise gave in his lifetime.
Tonight I was bored off my ass at work and was surfing wikipedia. Somehow I got into actors and such, and goddamn there are a lot of actors into Scientology.

Giovanni Ribisi was born and raised in Scientology. Jenna Elfman, Juliette Lewis, Sonny Bono, the guy who played Hyde on That 70's Show, the wife from King of Queens (hot).... Fucking Beck is a Scientologist too?!?

The Catholics better recruit some cooler people if they hope to stand a chance against the monolith that is Scientology!
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You need to detach the actions of the members from the the tenets of "the faith" whatever that faith may be, Scientology, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, whatever. People are people and they'll find some way to justify their behavior to themselves and balance the books internally. There has to be a reason for someone to do something, (almost) no one sets out to do evil just because they want to be evil. I'd guess that nearly all the despots in history meant well, whether their internal reasoning makes sense to anyone else or not doesn't matter.

Scientology detached from the money grubbing corporate structure, while really odd to me doesn't seem to be entirely a bad thing. It's essentially a pseudo-scientifically based self help program. Think of it as AA with aliens. The fact that it was created as a way to control people is secondary in this context. Same with others, regardless of where you feel the inspiration of Judaism to have come from, it was a cohesive belief and law system that allowed a minority people to thrive for thousands of years despite near constant oppression. Note what happened to most of the oppressors, none of whom had the same societal structure.

You may not like it (No one ells me what to do!), but that sort of structure has to come from someplace for a society to thrive, or just survive in the long term.
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So I hope people are planning on attending their local 2/10 event. Be sure to bring your sunglasses and large brimmed caps (or mask if you feel so inclined).
It will be interesting to see how this turns out... hopefully things don't get out of hand anywhere.

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2/10 event?
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Yeah I was gonna ask too. Please do tell.
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Feb. 10th is going to be a "worldwide" protest/picket at many Scientology centers. Look at enturbulation.org in the forums to see if one is happening near you (and to see what is going to occur at said events).

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GG Gerry Armstrong

Expose the truth, and get outcasted/threatened for it!
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I'm impressed. I hope the U.S. protests turn out that well. Realistically, I'm not sure how much these protests can or will accomplish, but it still makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.
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