NSA Internet Spying at AT&T

[Cracc]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=STZFkNuUSmw

And a wired article about it:
http://www.wired.com/science/discoverie ... 6/05/70908

Does this scare the bejesus out of anyone else here?

Worth mentioning is that our goverment just recently installed a traffic analysis cluster that ranks #5 on the worlds top computing clusters/computers.

I for one do NOT welcome out new orwellian overlords!

[Aabidano]

3 1/2 year old story about something that's been commonly known to be in place, or supposed to be in place since the mid '90s. Similar technology is deployed in every modern country in the world. The utilization of it is the concern, the need for it can't really be argued.

[Boogahz]

hehe, even the Wired articles linked are from 04-06

[Ashur]

I hear China has a national firewall with specific rules that block democracy.

[Cracc]

Aabidano, your telling me the _need_ for complete traffic analysis of native and foreign traffic within the united states cant be argued?

Would you be in favor of the post office opening all the letters they handle also? As well as the phonecompanies monitoring every single call made for keywords ( wich according to some, they already do )

[Aabidano]

Aabidano, your telling me the _need_ for complete traffic analysis of native and foreign traffic within the united states cant be argued?

No, I'm saying the need to do legal communication intercepts can't be argued. In today's telecommunications environment this is how you have to do it, both from a technical and a legal (in most countries) standpoint. Very stringent law w\oversight needs to remain in place to ensure it's done within acceptable bounds, which themselves vary widely from nation to nation. Germany probably being the most stringent, as of right now.

As I said last time this came up, complete traffic analysis is an impossibility (and I don't use that word lightly), at this point. They can't even approach it.

They can't watch everyone, so unless you're involved with someone in some fashion to trigger attention, the odds of being looked at are pretty slim. And even if they find something, rules of evidence being what they are (again, in most countries) the chances of any action being taken go down to next to nothing.