shooters

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » September 1, 2006, 3:02 pm

Which do you prefer?

Drinsic Darkwood · Post by **Drinsic Darkwood** » September 1, 2006, 3:17 pm

Controllers have zero benefit over a mouse and keyboard. A mouse is infinitely better than a D-pad or joy-stick for aiming. There's no comparison.

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » September 1, 2006, 3:22 pm

I completely agree. I was just talking to some Halo 2 "gamers" who swear by the controller (there's a Halo infestation at MSU dorms), and wanted to see if the people on this board are also verifiably ill.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » September 1, 2006, 3:26 pm

After a lot of adjusting, I can do fairly well with a controller. But I have always been able to do better with a mouse, mainly because my movements are more accurate.

But then again, if I sat around and played FPS's on a console as much as I used to play Everquest.. I would probably get quite a bit better and my opinion might change.

miir · Post by **miir** » September 1, 2006, 3:27 pm

A controller may be more comfortable to use for an extended period of time, but you need aiming assist for it to be anywhere close to the accuracy of a mouse/keyboard combo.

I'm willing to bet an average player using a mouse and keyboard would totally embarrass a gamepad user using aiming assists.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » September 1, 2006, 3:35 pm

Leonaerd wrote:I completely agree. I was just talking to some Halo 2 "gamers" who swear by the controller (there's a Halo infestation at MSU dorms), and wanted to see if the people on this board are also verifiably ill.

it is because halo is probably the only fps they play and don't know any better.

microsoft extesively tested halo multiplayer and pitted players using controllers against players using mouse/keyboard combo. the results of the test lead them to not release an official mouse/kb for xbox and to actually hard code their games to deny a mouse even to be used if you plugged in a usb one. the mouse/kb players so utterly dominated that MS decided that it would kill the fun for people using controllers (the majority) and denied.

halo 2 is an okay single player fps but it isn't even remotely competetive compared to gameplay on pc games.

miir · Post by **miir** » September 1, 2006, 3:42 pm

Is that why PC players can't play multiplayer Halo (and Halo 2) with XBox players?

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » September 1, 2006, 3:50 pm

I dunno, probably!

that and gearbox ported Halo and did such a fucking terrible job of it that they probably couldn't get it to work.

Ebumar · Post by **Ebumar** » September 1, 2006, 4:46 pm

Personally, I like the feel of the mouse + keyboard combo. However, I am almost as proficient with a controller. Played a lot of halo2 for a long time, and if you pump the sensitivity up to 9, you can almost get the same reaction rates and spot shots as with a mouse. Again, though, having the utility of a 6 button mouse, and the keyboard, it's a lot easier to setup certain things.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » September 1, 2006, 4:50 pm

Mouse & Keyboard here... I try with the controller but after a decent amount of use the past year I still pretty much suck... However I don't feel bad as I started using a mouse in keyboard when Quake came out 10 years or so ago... difficult to unlearn what comes naturally.

Marb

Hesten · Post by **Hesten** » September 2, 2006, 11:16 am

miir wrote:A controller may be more comfortable to use for an extended period of time, but you need aiming assist for it to be anywhere close to the accuracy of a mouse/keyboard combo.

I'm willing to bet an average player using a mouse and keyboard would totally embarrass a gamepad user using aiming assists.

Hehe, you won the best already

Im SO not good at FPS games in multiplayer, the only 2 times i have had the upper hand on someone was in Descent 1, where my friend was just as confused as i was, and in Rune (i think that was the name) where me and a friend was playing on a ISDN line, and people kept joining although they had massive lag.
But a friend of mine swore that controllers were better, so we tried a few games (cant even remember which, years ago, and yes, we were both on PCs) and he managed to get one or 2 kills total in a few hours and 3 games, i totally owned him in the rest.

Al · Post by Al » September 3, 2006, 7:39 pm

The Call of Duty games didn't have aiming assist on PS2 (at least not that I'm aware of, and if they did I didn't use it.) If you played those on the hardest setting, it was difficult regardless of what you controlled it with. Anyone remember the back alley in the fall of Aachen level? Craziness.

I personally prefer mouse and keyboard, but there are some games that go well with the controller. Halo isn't one of them, the simplicity of the controls would make it easier than Unreal Tournament to play with mouse and keyboard. Not that UT is an easy game, I can't even come close to doing well on any level higher than skilled...

Gonzoie - Luclin · Post by **Gonzoie - Luclin** » September 4, 2006, 12:31 am

I was one of those people who didn't have xbox live for my xbox until i had it for a while.. so when i originally picked it up for the xbox, i got good with a controller, and i thought i was doing well, i was kicking ass on System Links. But then i bought it for the PC, and i can guarantee my skill, and everyone elses, doubled and trippled to what it would be on a controller. There is no substitute for the mouse when it comes to FPS.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 4, 2006, 12:52 am

Keyboard/Mouse wins but that doesn't mean controller FPS's can't be fun, just not head to head vs a keyboard/mouse.

Some third party should devise a mouse-type/keypad controller for the 360 without Microsoft's blessing.

TheDarkreigns · Post by **TheDarkreigns** » September 5, 2006, 12:09 am

For skill wise I always choose a keyboard/mouse combo. Though I find using controllers on consoles way more fun, just not for multiplayer.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » September 5, 2006, 5:58 am

Gonzoie - Luclin wrote:I was one of those people who didn't have xbox live for my xbox until i had it for a while.. so when i originally picked it up for the xbox, i got good with a controller, and i thought i was doing well, i was kicking ass on System Links. But then i bought it for the PC, and i can guarantee my skill, and everyone elses, doubled and trippled to what it would be on a controller. There is no substitute for the mouse when it comes to FPS.

If everyone is using the same controllers then skill is the only differentiating factor.
To claim switching to KB+Mouse "tripled your skill" is laughable. The amount of speed and precision availbale to you changed. Your skill did not.

I'll happily play games with either control method as long as they are fun. And I find the turn speed of controller FPS's more realistic than the "twitch 180 degrees in 1/75th of a second allowed by most KB+M shooters".

Fenna · Post by **Fenna** » September 5, 2006, 11:13 am

Some third party should devise a mouse-type/keypad controller for the 360 without Microsoft's blessing.

http://www.buzzjive.com/guestreview.php?review_id=113

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The Smart Joy Frag is a rather cool and nifty device for both of these catagories of gamers. It allows you to use a keyboard and mouse straight to your Xbox with no problems or errors and allows you to play games like Halo 2 and other FPS's as if they where made to be played on the PC!

The setup is pretty easy. All you have to do is pretty much plug the Smart Joy Frag into the Xbox, then hook the Keyboard to the Smart Joy Frag

The set contains everything you need to play your favorite console FPS. It's got instructions to setup up the device however you like, which is pretty easy to do. It's also got a keybooklet that shows the premade setups for games best used with the Smart Joy Frag that you can get ready instantly.

Halo 1 and 2 at extreme sensitivity are the most accurate of the bunch. They play exactly like any FPS you play on the PC and makes it truly worth owning if you want that competitive edge. Serious Sam for the Xbox was also OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS more precise, but you won't turn quite as fast like the PC counterparts. Rainbow Six was also good. Not as close as Halo is, but it works fine.

All in all, the device makes aiming and turning OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS more precise than using a regular controller.

There's only one problem with this device so far. A sensitivity issue with certain games. In Halo 1/2, you have to set the dead zones to steer them properly which can be a nuisance. Also, you'll have to be in a proper position and have a good surface to play this properly. Thus, I'm not giving this a perfect rating. Another reason for this is the fact this it is for FPS only. No games like Ninja Gaiden, Mortal Kombat, or Metal Slug for you with this device. This is no replacement a console controller, only for FPS or games that need or use those Mouse and Keyboardlike controls.

You can order this badboy here at Lik Sang, the internet's most trusted in cool unusual gadgets and importing goodness.

I'd say for $30, it ain't bad!

I bought one of these when they came out, and it really was impressive. I had to get used to a little milisecond delay in the response, but over all it worked very well.

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » September 5, 2006, 5:06 pm

If everyone is using the same controllers then skill is the only differentiating factor.
To claim switching to KB+Mouse "tripled your skill" is laughable. The amount of speed and precision availbale to you changed. Your skill did not

You're assuming that everybody takes the same proportion of skill from their experience with a mouse + keyboard to that of a controller.

What I mean is that I have been playing shooters on the PC for a long, long time and consider myself to be good at most games, whereas with a controller I will get my ass handed to me in a game of Halo by somebody that has never played a game of Counterstrike before.

If it's not proportional for all people in question, then it's not a fair statement to say that "your skill did not change."

And on a side note, I've played console shooters fairly extensively, too, so it's not like I'm unfamiliar with using the analog sticks. I simply suck with them. Big hands, maybe.