Minimum Wage Increase? Not on our watch!

[Tangurena]

I don't understand how the GOP can back a plan to eliminate the death tax, eliminating BILLIONS from Federal Tax Income, but yet can't mandate a living wage for the lowest income bracket.

Because that tax is the dead millionaire tax. Only people who have several million dollars are affected by it at all. If you're married and didn't do any estate planning, you need to have left almost $3,000,000 in assets before any of it is taxable. You can't take the money with you, but the GOP is sure trying.

San Francisco has an $8.50 minimum wage, and they haven't fallen off into the ocean. Despite the death threats from Oreilly.

The Cheap Labor Republicans want the bottom 90% of the population to be their serfs. Too poor to afford anything except what scraps their aristocratic, rethuglican masters allow to be thrown to them. In debt for life, and with the debt inherited by the next of kin.

[Kylere]

Fatass old slob doesnt care for young people- shocker!


its all good though cos i'm totally gonna TP his house later *high five*

Oh my I have irked a kid, what shall I do?

Oh yeah, he is just a kid.

[*~*stragi*~*]

he gets paid more than you

[Neroon]

I'm no economics expert, but, is it true that some obscene amount of the overall wealth is owned by a tiny percentage of the population in the USA (and probably here in the UK too?)

Last I knew, 80% of the wealth in the US was held by 1% of the population.

[Pherr the Dorf]

A part time, minimum wage job should always be more appealing than welfare.

A part time minimum wage job is what you should hold as a teenager. So it is not relevant. I agree with your basic premise, but if I lost my current job, I would have to work 4 minimum wage jobs to replace the income loss. Since this could not be done, I would work 2 and maybe a part time third if that was the only type of job I could get.

Then I would adjust my standard of living to my new income level, until I was able to find better, I would not expect everyone else to fix it for me.

So you'd work 2 full plus a part time... that's 100 hours a week or an average of 14 hours a day 7 days a week, you wouldn't last a month.

[Xyphir]

I'm no economics expert, but, is it true that some obscene amount of the overall wealth is owned by a tiny percentage of the population in the USA (and probably here in the UK too?)

Last I knew, 80% of the wealth in the US was held by 1% of the population.

According to 1998 figures, the top 1% represents about 34% of the nations wealth. The top 20% of households represents about 82% of the natio's wealth.

[Nick]

And people think raising the standards of the poorest paid workers is a bad thing?

Are they just blatantly evil?

[*~*stragi*~*]

No, just republican.

[Nick]

potato potaato

[Metanis]

Anyone supporting minimum wage standards is a racist.

adverse longer-run effects of facing high minimum wages as a teenager are stronger for blacks.

http://www.nber.org/papers/w10656

[Zaelath]

So, you're saying a paper that states (to paraphrase) "Blacks are lazy, and paying them too much as kids makes them lazier" isn't racist?

[kyoukan]

No, he's saying "HURR HURRR URR HURRRRRRRRR."

[Aslanna]

The abstract interests me but not enough to spend $5 to read the rest of it.

The evidence indicates that even as individuals reach their late 20's, they work less and earn less the longer they were exposed to a higher minimum wage, especially as a teenager.

To me that doesn't make much sense. Most people seek to increase their pay. And of course you're going to earn less if you work less!

[kyoukan]

The abstract interests me but not enough to spend $5 to read the rest of it.

well they aren't just going to spoonfeed it to you.

[Metanis]

The abstract interests me but not enough to spend $5 to read the rest of it.

The evidence indicates that even as individuals reach their late 20's, they work less and earn less the longer they were exposed to a higher minimum wage, especially as a teenager.

To me that doesn't make much sense. Most people seek to increase their pay. And of course you're going to earn less if you work less!

Let me make it very simple for you.

1) A minimum-wage law forces an employer be more selective of even entry-level hires.

2) Minorities don't make the cut more often than white kids.

3) Minorities thus do NOT learn even the basic skills which would allow them to move up the income scale.

4) Employers don't invest in the growth of marginal employees.

5) The cycle perpetuates.

Step 1 involves legal discrimination of the most basic type, you are making the best choice for your business. If you are going to be forced to pay more than the employee is worth then you are going to optimize your choice to lose as little as possible on the transaction. And if you factor illegal racial discrimination then the result is even worse.

If you want to do something to truly help the lowest end of the economic spectrum it's going to take cultural fixes, not counter-productive liberal feel-good policy.

[kyoukan]

2) Minorities don't make the cut more often than white kids

Only when someone like you is hiring.

[Canelek]

3) Minorities thus do NOT learn even the basic skills which would allow them to move up the income scale.

Tell me what these basic skills are and how they affect one's promotion up the salary foodchain? I am interested, really.

This whole topic reeks of the assumption that minorities start out in minimum wage jobs and have no other means of career startup.

[Metanis]

3) Minorities thus do NOT learn even the basic skills which would allow them to move up the income scale.

Tell me what these basic skills are and how they affect one's promotion up the salary foodchain? I am interested, really.

This whole topic reeks of the assumption that minorities start out in minimum wage jobs and have no other means of career startup.

Google is your friend. Start like I did... "minimum wage issues".

I particularly like the idea I saw out there to raise the minimum to $30/hr. If $6/hr is good what's wrong with getting real and making the minimum a decent wage that would allow a family of 4 to reach the middle class?

[kyoukan]

Wow, two neotards in the same thread who aren't going to back up their ludicrous assertations with anything other than "look it up yourself" when asked to back up their retarded opinions.

Anyone care to go for a trifecta?

[Chidoro]

I'd love to see those numbers.

I am not here to spoonfeed you. Besides which you will only read the numbers you agree with, so I will not bother.

So in other words, you're full of shit.

No in other words prove me wrong.

You're wrong.





Case closed.

Bingo.

Prove your hackneyed theories as correct before stating that they are Ky.

[Chidoro]

2) Minorities don't make the cut more often than white kids

Only when someone like you is hiring.

no fucking kidding.

[Metanis]

2) Minorities don't make the cut more often than white kids

Only when someone like you is hiring.

no fucking kidding.

You are one of those politcally correct fools too Chidoro?

A simple Google search of "blacks hiring blacks" found this gem on the first page of results...

He called me up on Friday and told me about how this black dude that was teaching the predominantly black class the night before kept emphasizing to the class that "you should never hire any black male under the age of 35, they will screw you over every time."
"Trust me," He insisted " I am telling you this out of experience. Your best employees are going to be old people and couples.”
Think about what he just said for a second.
”You should never hire any black male under the age of 35…they will screw you over every time.”
This is coming from a black man.

http://www.8bm.com/diatribes/volume02/028/584.htm

[kyoukan]

Well crapfest neocon blogger has enough proof for me! Niggers are so useless that even other niggers won't hire them. CHENEY/QUAYLE 2008

[Chidoro]

2) Minorities don't make the cut more often than white kids

Only when someone like you is hiring.

no fucking kidding.

You are one of those politcally correct fools too Chidoro?

A simple Google search of "blacks hiring blacks" found this gem on the first page of results...

He called me up on Friday and told me about how this black dude that was teaching the predominantly black class the night before kept emphasizing to the class that "you should never hire any black male under the age of 35, they will screw you over every time."
"Trust me," He insisted " I am telling you this out of experience. Your best employees are going to be old people and couples.”
Think about what he just said for a second.
”You should never hire any black male under the age of 35…they will screw you over every time.”
This is coming from a black man.

http://www.8bm.com/diatribes/volume02/028/584.htm

Ohh yeah, a Metanis observation that I'm a fool, cute one simpleton.
And to describe your original assertion as being "not politically correct" instead of "just another useless, baseless statement from our resident neocon moron" is just a beaut. Keep your irrelevant google searches coming.

[Deward]

Well I guess I can throw my two libertarian cents in here.

First, this is a states issue. Federal government should not have any say in this. A mnimum wage of $6/hour in Alabama is different from the same wage in California. The cost of living is just too drasticly different from state to state.

Second, the minimum wage really only affects a small group of the american workforce (5.8%). Of this group, 27.9% are under 20 years old AND more importantly, 56.1% are considered part time.

My conclusions from the above evidence is that a minimum wage hike is not going to help that many "real" workers. By real I mean those that depend on the job for day to day survival and those that need to support a family. This is only a issue now because of the elections forthcoming.

Before everyone starts gushing "Fuk U Hitler" at me, I am a prime example of how anyone can succeed in America. I am not a millionaire, but I live very comfortably as a middle class worker. I was raised in the projects and got more than enough government hand-outs to make it through college without ever really having to work a job. I picked up some part-time work to coast through summers is all. If I had been a minority then I could have had an even easier time.

The real problem we have in America is that the government gives out too many Welfare checks. Instead of just doling out money every month, the governemnt should be forcing people to earn it by taking classes and training programs and providing subsidized day care. Too many current recipients are sitting at home barely surviving because they cannot afford day care. You can make more money sitting on welfare and SS when you factor in teh amount that the government steals from people in taxes and the costs for day care and other incidentals like gas prices.

My solution would be to provide very cheap to free daycare based on income levels and require either work or schooling for all beneficiaries of tax funds. The problem in America is that we have now had several generations of families living on the "system" and we need to break this cycle.


Sources:
http://www.epinet.org/content.cfm/issue ... nwagefacts
http://www.epi.org/issueguides/minwage/table1.gif

[Chidoro]

First, this is a states issue. Federal government should not have any say in this. A mnimum wage of $6/hour in Alabama is different from the same wage in California. The cost of living is just too drasticly different from state to state.

Second, the minimum wage really only affects a small group of the american workforce (5.8%). Of this group, 27.9% are under 20 years old AND more importantly, 56.1% are considered part time.

My conclusions from the above evidence is that a minimum wage hike is not going to help that many "real" workers. By real I mean those that depend on the job for day to day survival and those that need to support a family. This is only a issue now because of the elections forthcoming.

I’m just curious as what constitutes “not many”. And if an increase in the min wage doesn’t have an effect on the overall wage of those individuals who were at min wage at one time but are not any longer so they are not included in that 5.8% category (and if they still are, my apologies, albeit it doesn’t really make too much of a difference on my point). As for it being a state issue, I think that the federal gov’t should dictate a baseline and the states should base their cost of living indexes to that where appropriate.

Before everyone starts gushing "Fuk U Hitler" at me, I am a prime example of how anyone can succeed in America. I am not a millionaire, but I live very comfortably as a middle class worker. I was raised in the projects and got more than enough government hand-outs to make it through college without ever really having to work a job. I picked up some part-time work to coast through summers is all. If I had been a minority then I could have had an even easier time.

You state your opportunities as hand-outs and easy. You are willing to admit that whatever it took you to grow beyond a project living scenario was because of these “hand-outs”, even if partially so? What would you think if that “hand-out” wasn’t provided to you? Do you think that your case is unique?

The real problem we have in America is that the government gives out too many Welfare checks. Instead of just doling out money every month, the governemnt should be forcing people to earn it by taking classes and training programs and providing subsidized day care. Too many current recipients are sitting at home barely surviving because they cannot afford day care. You can make more money sitting on welfare and SS when you factor in teh amount that the government steals from people in taxes and the costs for day care and other incidentals like gas prices.

The problem with that rational is the proponents of no welfare in any way shape or form tend to be that those same individuals say that you shouldn’t have had a child to begin with. I think your idea is worthy but unrealistic. I know that my wife and I waited to be in a certain situation before we had a child. And that was something we decided for ourselves. But you cannot expect everyone to say,” We should really wait until we’re at a hh income of over 175k and can now raise our child in some of the best public schools in the country. Some will say that they live in a hellhole, but they are earning more than they could anywhere else, and are living in a neighborhood that mirrors their situation, and therefore feel satisfied that this is a good environment to raise children.

[Metanis]

Ohh yeah, a Metanis observation that I'm a fool, cute one simpleton.
And to describe your original assertion as being "not politically correct" instead of "just another useless, baseless statement from our resident neocon moron" is just a beaut. Keep your irrelevant google searches coming.

Once again, the liberal mindset is exposed. You ask for proof, then disregard it unread. You attack the person and in your limited scope you think you are making some sort of argument.

[Marbus]

Yea cause conservatives never get mad when pushed into a corner to the point of using Jr.High fat jokes then throwing a 3 yr old type temper tantrum...

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Bernie ... -MSNBC.wmv

Marb

[Boogahz]

Doing research on the Web is like using a library assembled piecemeal by pack rats and vandalized nightly. - Roger Ebert

[kyoukan]

Before everyone starts gushing "Fuk U Hitler" at me, I am a prime example of how anyone can succeed in America. I am not a millionaire, but I live very comfortably as a middle class worker. I was raised in the projects and got more than enough government hand-outs to make it through college without ever really having to work a job. I picked up some part-time work to coast through summers is all. If I had been a minority then I could have had an even easier time.

Yeah people are just falling all over each other to give ethnic minorities in poor neighborhoods opportunities to go to college. can I live in the same lolbertarian fantasy land you live in?

[Cartalas]

Before everyone starts gushing "Fuk U Hitler" at me, I am a prime example of how anyone can succeed in America. I am not a millionaire, but I live very comfortably as a middle class worker. I was raised in the projects and got more than enough government hand-outs to make it through college without ever really having to work a job. I picked up some part-time work to coast through summers is all. If I had been a minority then I could have had an even easier time.

Yeah people are just falling all over each other to give ethnic minorities in poor neighborhoods opportunities to go to college. can I live in the same lolbertarian fantasy land you live in?

Give me a break!!

[Deward]

Yeah people are just falling all over each other to give ethnic minorities in poor neighborhoods opportunities to go to college. can I live in the same lolbertarian fantasy land you live in?

You obviously don't know how it works in America. I can guarantee that if you are black (or other non-white/asian) and poor anywhere in America that someone is looking to give you college money. Hell I work for a university and they give out scholarships all the time based only on the color of a person's skin. Ever hear of Affirmative Action?

I am white but I came from a welfare environment. That and my National Guard service during college allowed me to graduate with only $2k in student loans and that was because I went longer than 4 years.

[Chidoro]

Ohh yeah, a Metanis observation that I'm a fool, cute one simpleton.
And to describe your original assertion as being "not politically correct" instead of "just another useless, baseless statement from our resident neocon moron" is just a beaut. Keep your irrelevant google searches coming.

Once again, the liberal mindset is exposed. You ask for proof, then disregard it unread. You attack the person and in your limited scope you think you are making some sort of argument.

I can't believe I even have to say this but, you linked an opinion piece you putz

[miir]

In the neocon world, Op/Ed is fact.


Metanis is as bad as those morons who think that Michael Moore's films and books are 100% factual.

[Boogahz]

In the neocon world, Op/Ed is fact.

This goes for both sides. It's similar to how anyone with a website about anything can claim to have all of the facts. Just because someone has a piece printed in any major media does not mean they know anything about the subject.

[Marbus]

I think we need to correct some points there about America and AA...

First of all, anyone that thinks people are walking around the ghetto trying to give people money to go to college nuts...

Are there programs in many inner cities to keep kids in school and encourage them to finish HS and go to College? Yes I use to work for one.

However many of those programs were cut when the Republicans got control of Congress... no big hurrah but siletly slashed out of the budget. Some still exist but not as many.

That being said though, if you do rise out of that area and are a minority you can get pretty much a free ride anywhere. Why? Because for every 10 white kids that figure out a way to pull out we probably have 2 black kids and 1 hispanic... the rest of them are still there. And if you are a minority and a female? you are set baby!

What makes people mad is that there are people who use / abuse the system but you know what? Truly from my experience those are few and far between. Yes I went to school with a Black Female who use to joke all the time that she didn't really have to worry about the MCAT or keeping her grades up because she was a black female and if she even tried, she would not only get in but get a full scholorship... which she was correct about. However there were also 6 other Black Females in my college class who were going to Medical School (small college) and they busted their butts more than almost anyone else I knew and they too got full ride but IMHO each and every one of them diserved it.

So yea some people get a free ride, some people abuse the system but it's still a very small percentage when you look at the number of people who don't make it out of poverty or the ghetto... I don't agree with all AA programs and I think we are missing the goal that eventually it should all go away... but we still have a lot of work to do before we get to that point.

Marb

[miir]

In the neocon world, Op/Ed is fact.

This goes for both sides. It's similar to how anyone with a website about anything can claim to have all of the facts. Just because someone has a piece printed in any major media does not mean they know anything about the subject.

What is the liberal equivalent to a neocon?
I don't see any liberals here posting Op/Ed shit and trying to pass it off as fact.

Neocons also tend to think that liberals accept extreme left crap like Michael Moore as fact... I guess they think it adds more credibility to their wacky neocon and religious nutjob Op/Ed facts.

[Truant]

What is the liberal equivalent to a neocon?

communist?

[cadalano]

..hippies?

[Boogahz]

In the neocon world, Op/Ed is fact.

This goes for both sides. It's similar to how anyone with a website about anything can claim to have all of the facts. Just because someone has a piece printed in any major media does not mean they know anything about the subject.

What is the liberal equivalent to a neocon?
I don't see any liberals here posting Op/Ed shit and trying to pass it off as fact.

Neocons also tend to think that liberals accept extreme left crap like Michael Moore as fact... I guess they think it adds more credibility to their wacky neocon and religious nutjob Op/Ed facts.

Well, considering that a Neocon is generally a Democrat (or liberal) who's actions cross over to conservativism on specific issues (foreign policy)...I guess you're right to blame neocons. I laugh a little every time I read how some of you use that word.

[Zaelath]

Well, considering that a Neocon is generally a Democrat (or liberal) who's actions cross over to conservativism on specific issues (foreign policy)...I guess you're right to blame neocons. I laugh a little every time I read how some of you use that word.

Umm nope.

ne·o·con·ser·va·tism also ne·o-con·ser·va·tism Audio pronunciation of "neoconservative" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-kn-sûrv-tzm)
n.

An intellectual and political movement in favor of political, economic, and social conservatism that arose in opposition to the perceived liberalism of the 1960s: “The neo-conservatism of the 1980s is a replay of the New Conservatism of the 1950s, which was itself a replay of the New Era philosophy of the 1920s” (Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr.).

Of course, the 'neo' part would be a little dated, if they hadn't refreshed in the last 6 years.

[Boogahz]

Where did the "neo" conservatives come from? They were not already conservatives.

[Zaelath]

Where did the "neo" conservatives come from? They were not already conservatives.

It comes from redefining what it means to be a conservative, hence new/neo.

A bit like all the neoliberals, that are anti-gun but were all so gung-fucking-ho when it came to invading Afghanistan

And the same as Neo-Nazis aren't reformed jews, neocons aren't "reformed liberals".

[cadalano]

Shortcomings and criticism of the term "Neoconservative"
Relatively few of those identified as neoconservatives embrace the term.

Critics of the term argue that it lacks coherent definition, or that it is coherent only in a Cold War context.

The fact that the use of the term "neoconservative" has rapidly risen since the 2003 Iraq War is cited by conservatives as proof that the term is largely irrelevant in the long term. David Horowitz, a purported leading neo-con thinker, offered this critique in a recent interview with an Italian newspaper:

Neo-conservatism is a term almost exclusively used by the enemies of America's liberation of Iraq. There is no "neo-conservative" movement in the United States. When there was one, it was made up of former Democrats who embraced the welfare state but supported Ronald Reagan's Cold War policies against the Soviet bloc. Today neo-conservatism identifies those who believe in an aggressive policy against radical Islam and the global terrorists.

Similarly, many other supposed neoconservatives believe that the term has been adopted by the political left to stereotype supporters of U.S. foreign policy under the George W. Bush administration. Others have similarly likened descriptions of neoconservatism to a conspiracy theory and attribute the term to anti-Semitism. Paul Wolfowitz has denounced the term as meaningless label, saying:

[If] you read the Middle Eastern press, it seems to be a euphemism for some kind of nefarious Zionist conspiracy. But I think that, in my view it's very important to approach [foreign policy] not from a doctrinal point of view. I think almost every case I know is different. Indonesia is different from the Philippines. Iraq is different from Indonesia. I think there are certain principles that I believe are American principles – both realism and idealism. I guess I'd like to call myself a democratic realist. I don't know if that makes me a neo-conservative or not.

Jonah Goldberg and others have rejected the label as trite and over-used, arguing "There's nothing 'neo' about me: I was never anything other than conservative." Other critics have similarly argued the term has been rendered meaningless through excessive and inconsistent use. For example, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld are often identified as leading "neocons" despite the fact that both men have ostensibly been life-long conservative Republicans (though Cheney has been vocally supportive of the ideas of Irving Kristol). Such critics thus largely reject the claim that there is a neoconservative movement separate from traditional American conservatism.

Other traditional conservatives are likewise skeptical of the contemporary usage term, and may dislike being associated with the stereotypes, or even the supposed agendas of the "neocons." Conservative columnist David Harsanyi wrote, "These days, it seems that even temperate support for military action against dictators and terrorists qualifies you a neocon."

During the 1970s, for example in a book on the movement by Peter Steinfels, the use of the term neoconservative was never identified with the writings of Leo Strauss. The near synonymity, in some quarters, of neoconservatism and Straussianism is a much more recent phenomenon, which suggests that perhaps two quite distinct movements have become merged into one, either in fact or in the eyes of certain beholders.

To me, it means that someone shares broad ideas on foreign policy with that of conservatives, while they are not conservative themselves. Most of the time that's gonna relate to the Iraq conflict, which is probably why the term is in such wide use again. But really it gets used for just about anything, especially from critics.. just gotta rely on the context

[Dregor Thule]

I don't see any liberals here posting Op/Ed shit and trying to pass it off as fact.

Oh come on, we post stories from Reuters all the time!

[Boogahz]

Where did the "neo" conservatives come from? They were not already conservatives.

It comes from redefining what it means to be a conservative, hence new/neo.

A bit like all the neoliberals, that are anti-gun but were all so gung-fucking-ho when it came to invading Afghanistan

And the same as Neo-Nazis aren't reformed jews, neocons aren't "reformed liberals".

Here's a link with what I was getting at when I referred to the "founders," and I do realize that there are different meanings for the term.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neocon#His ... nservatism

History and origins of neoconservatism

Great Depression and World War II
"New" conservatives initially approached this view from the political left, especially in response to key developments in modern American history.

The forerunners of neoconservativism were generally liberals or socialists who strongly supported the Second World War, and who were influenced by the Depression-era ideas of former New Dealers, trade unionists, and Trotskyists, particularly those who followed the political ideas of Max Shachtman. A number of future neoconservatives such as Jeane Kirkpatrick and Ken Adelman were Shachtmanites in their youth, while others were later involved with Social Democrats USA. Most neoconservatives, however, including those who have been close to SDUSA, will strenuously deny, even contrary to evidence, that they were ever Shachtmanites.

Opposition to Détente with the Soviet Union and the views of the anti-Soviet and anti-capitalist New Left, which emerged in response to the Soviet Union's break with Stalinism in the 1950s, would cause the Neoconservatives to split with the "liberal consensus" of the early postwar years. The original "neoconservative" theorists, such as Irving Kristol and Norman Podhoretz, were often associated with the magazine Commentary, and their intellectual evolution is quite evident in that magazine over the course of these years. Throughout the 1950s and early 1960s the early neoconservatives were anti-Communist socialists strongly supportive of the American Civil Rights Movement, integration, and Martin Luther King.

[Chmee]

I believe Boog is correct. Most of the original neo-conservatives founders were liberals that supported a more vigorous foreign policy. The term as used today doesn't really seem to have much meaning beyond just a general insult. It no longer really identifies any particular ideological block to any large degree.

[kyoukan]

The term neoconservatism does come from the fact that most of the founders of the momvement came from socialist or liberal backgrounds. that doesn't mean they are still liberal.

a lot of socialists gravitated towards it because of the unpopularity of socialism in the 1950's.

modern neoconservatives are generally about as progressive as a spanish inquisitor and comes from a very long line of old time conservatives. for example, in the past neoconservatives supported a large social safety net for disadvantaged people of all races. now it is basically a bunch of really, really rich white men and their lackies that joined the movement so they could tax the christ out of people while taking away social infrastructures and use the money on blowing up regimes they don't like while sacrificing the poor through military service and enriching themselves off of lucrative privately owned military contractors.

it is such an obvious scam that it staggers me every time I think of some poor lower middle class dickwad who unilaterally supports getting ripped off by their government, but fails to notice it because the people in power keep waving gay marriage and abortion under their nose to distract them.

[Avestan]

holy fuck, $5.15 an hour.

average minimum wage in Canada is $7.75 I believe. It varies province to province. In BC it is $8.

$8 an hour is low ass pay but at least you can subsit on it and it is higher than what social assisstance pays. if you have a couple of kids, welfare is probably higher than $5.15 an hour.

I guess rich people like it because it keeps money in their pockets, so it will probably stay at that rate until the GOP is out of power.

Companies that employ minimum wage slaves cannot cut more staff. they are typically run with skeleton crews already to maximize profits. the reality is that these companies still need asses in the seats doing the work. I dislike those kinds of junk logic arguments that fiscally irresponsible conservatives are always so fond of.

This is the Federal minimum. . .in Cali, I think our minimum wage is around $7