Bush Approval Rating all-time low

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » June 13, 2005, 1:41 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Zaelath wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote: I have shown my support for all sides of the political spectrum and my ability to be level headed and reasonable......show yours.
You have shown your apathy and love of the status quo, perhaps one day you might graduate to being a citizen. Until then, please stop seeing your flaws as laudible, or at least stop talking about it so you don't seem a complete fucktard.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." --Edmund Burke
"If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all." - My Mother.

..l..

Shame you never listened to your mother huh? FUCK MUSLIMS!

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » June 13, 2005, 2:11 pm

Kelshara wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Zaelath wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote: I have shown my support for all sides of the political spectrum and my ability to be level headed and reasonable......show yours.
You have shown your apathy and love of the status quo, perhaps one day you might graduate to being a citizen. Until then, please stop seeing your flaws as laudible, or at least stop talking about it so you don't seem a complete fucktard.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." --Edmund Burke
"If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all." - My Mother.

..l..
Shame you never listened to your mother huh? FUCK MUSLIMS!

We should all listen to our moms!! I listend to Kelshara's Last night.

" Harder Harder Spank my Pussy"

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » June 13, 2005, 3:01 pm

Seebs wrote:Most second term presidents tend to piss more people off. Look at who Clinton pardoned on his way out the door.

Anything they do on the second term is just more talking points for their 70K per speaking engagement when they are out of office.

Rice/Powell in 2008!

LOL, I would vote for that ticket. Not only would they do a great job, but it would piss off all the Democrats who have been saying that they are the party for black americans. They have called Republicans racists for so long. Finally the truth would come out, errr wait a minute, no it wouldn't. They would just say they aren't black enough. NM

miir · Post by **miir** » June 13, 2005, 3:26 pm

Not only would they do a great job, but it would piss off all the Democrats who have been saying that they are the party for black americans. They have called Republicans racists for so long.

Rice would make a good republican president.
She seems to be very adept at spewing the company line and it almost seems like she believes most of the crap she spews. The quintessential 'yes man'. Bonus points for being able to communicate in proper english and not being afraid to use 3 syllable words.

Powell on the other hand, would never be a rebublican VP. He's too much of an independent thinker and has far too much integrity.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » June 13, 2005, 3:37 pm

miir wrote:
Powell on the other hand, would never be a rebublican VP. He's too much of an independent thinker and has far too much integrity.

Oh gosh, really?

If he thought the republicans were so terrible, what happened to his integrity from 2000-2004? Hmmm, weird huh? I guess his integrity comes and goes. Or maybe it's just important for you to feel that way because you don't want to dislike Colin. Ahh Shucks, it's so gosh darned confusing, huh?

miir · Post by **miir** » June 13, 2005, 3:44 pm

Save your sanctimonious bullshit.
I guess I have to dumb down my post so simpletons like you can understand what I am trying to say.

Powell on the other hand, would never be a rebublican VP

Meaning he would never be voted into that position by the republican party.
I'm pretty sure he wouldn't turn down the position if he felt he could actually affect change but your government is so deeply infested with yes men that I doubt even the president could make a difference.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » June 13, 2005, 3:53 pm

Excellent back track Miir. Way to put it back on the racist republicans.

miir · Post by **miir** » June 13, 2005, 4:01 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Excellent back track Miir. Way to put it back on the racist republicans.

Umm, ok. How exactly did I backtrack?

It's not my fault you're too fucking stupid to understand what I said in the first place.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » June 13, 2005, 4:01 pm

Rice/Powell vs Clinton/Boxer... would people all of a sudden be worried about the white vote? would cnn use white and black to show who won the states? would dean drop the n-bomb?

i think the voters love powell, and hate clinton.. but ya couldn't tell that from watching the news.

miir · Post by **miir** » June 13, 2005, 4:02 pm

Clinton/Powell for the win!

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » June 13, 2005, 4:06 pm

i think some people hate Hilary Clinton, but not as many people as you think might. Her approval rating in NY State is above 65% i think.

Forget Powell running on any Republican ticket. And McCain.

You guys don't understand how candidates are selected. It has nothing to do with how the majority of the party - let alone Americans - would support an individual. It is about who is most able to ensure the party leadership (typically the extremists ideologically) the best shot at moving their agenda forward.

the GOP would have to be completely restructured before any moderate would find a spot on a presidential ticket. and with the power that party currently wields, that will not be happening soon.

The best chance for a moderate candidate in the near term is from the Democrats specifically because the party is in such disarray and in need of a win, they would be wise to appeal to the broadest contingent of the electorate as possible.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » June 13, 2005, 4:50 pm

I need to find the poll Voro, but there was a recent one that showed somewhere around 44-47% would absolutely NOT vote for Hillary and then after that, some would consider it and some would vote for her. She has a huge chunk of people that won't vote for her no matter what compared to other candidates.

As for McCain, the republicans will be pretty much tapped out from Bush after 8 years and don't have much of a chance unless they get a moderate like McCain in office so I see some compromises by the republicans instead of letting a Democrat in the White House.

I don't see Rice as a presidential candidate as Seebs does but I could see her as VP on a McCain ticket (although McCain probably wouldn't want that since he doesn't like the Bush administration, he might go for it to win. McCain/Rice for the win!

That covers the religious freaks, women and ethnic votes. The Demos may counter with Hillary/Barack Obama but that only counters the women and ethic votes...not the religious freaks! (and Hillary is a sure loss IMO) I don't care what her approval rating is, she'll get raked through the coals in a presidential election...plenty of skeletons for the GOP to dig up)

Wulfran · Post by **Wulfran** » June 13, 2005, 6:39 pm

Didn't you guys see Chapelle? The whites drafted Powell in the first round of the racial draft, and the blacks allowed it provided the whites took Rice too, thus the racial thing wouldn't come into play...

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » June 13, 2005, 7:13 pm

Yes...but we had to give OJ back.

What really needs to happen in 2008 is for McCain to run as an independant with Powell as the VP. That would actually have a very big chance of winning and breaking down the hard stance two party system....which is precisely what we need in the U.S.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » June 13, 2005, 10:35 pm

Its a great fantasy, but in the real world the politicians who are not sucking the american corperate cock while hand jobbing jesus do not get anywhere near the support needed to even carry their home states. Ever. The KKK grand wizard would have a better chance of getting votes, but they can just run as conservative GOP anyhow.

What we really need is some kind of activist actor/celebrity with a brain to run as a moderate reformist Dem. Its basically how Reagan got in office originally. The mouth breathing masses need name recognition and to be able to advance as a moderate you have to have grass roots support coupled with no prior history with beltway whoring. Thats just not going to happen within the current establishment of any party, Dem, Rep, Libertian, Green, whatever. Any chance of turn around from the moderate/liberal end is going to have to come from an outsider disguising themselves as a democrat.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » June 13, 2005, 11:25 pm

Can someone just place any worthless Current Events thread that eludes to politics in any way/shape/form to a Hatfields vs. McCoys forum section?

it's eye diarrhea at this point to be honest

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » June 14, 2005, 1:25 am

Sorry Seebs... Powell has already stated that he would not run on any Republican ticket. Seeing how he was the only member of the administration with any dignity and integrity he left and isn't going back (IMO). If he runs look for him to run as a Democrat...

Personally I have met Hillary on more than one occasion and I'll state right here right now I don't think I could support her for President. I can't put my finger on it but there is just something not right... I just don't think I could do it. Truthfully she and I have almost the exact same position on many topics so maybe that could change but I HIGHLY doubt it, I would almost have to sit down and have a chat with her. Considering that I haven't spoken too her in a non formal occasion since 92' though I don't think that's a real possibility. Winnow I agree with you, I don't think there is any way she could win, there are too many peopel who would vote for anyone but her.

Me, I think an Edwards/Clark or Edwards/Powell or Clark/Powell would be a good ticket... all likeable guys, all intelligent and all pretty moderate... now whether they could win or not is a complete other issue, heh.

Of course be looking for the Marb/someone ticket in 2024 or 2028 once the kids all get grown up...

Marb

Seebs · Post by **Seebs** » June 14, 2005, 10:40 am

You are right Marb. The tickets you've listed are chock full of Integrity and Dignity.

PUKE, GAG, VOMIT, UPCHUCK, EEEERP, HURL, KACK, DRY HEAVE, DRY HEAVE, DRY HEAVE, TEAR, COUGH, TEAR, DRY HEAVE, DRY HEAVE, DRY HEAVE, PRAYER, NAP, PUKE, PUKE PUKE PUKE CRY.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » June 14, 2005, 12:15 pm

I said I think Powell has a lot of integrety and dignity... not sure about the others. Personally though I would vote for him no matter which party he ran on, I'm just pretty sure it wouldn't be a Republican Ticket... who knows I could be wrong though. If McCain and Powell would run, especially against Hillary you would see me cross over and vote Republican in 2008...

Marb

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » June 14, 2005, 1:09 pm

I'd vote McCain\Powell, McCain\Rice, Powell\Rice, Powell\Edwards, McCain\Lieberman and a number of other combos. None of which will happen except as third party candidates.

The RNC wouldn't let Powell on thier ticket since they've seen he'll do what his conscience dictates and not always the party line.

I've never heard from anyone outside of the very extreme left that would even consider voting for Hillary in almost any realistic circumstance. She's the absolute best thing the DNC could put on the ticket to benefit the RNC. I'd put money there's dumpster loads of dirt just waiting to be "found" should she run.

Seebs · Post by **Seebs** » June 14, 2005, 2:33 pm

I imagine Hillary's breath smells remarkably like Dee Dee Myers' twat.

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » June 14, 2005, 8:05 pm

Aabidano wrote:I'd vote McCain\Powell, McCain\Rice, Powell\Rice, Powell\Edwards, McCain\Lieberman and a number of other combos. None of which will happen except as third party candidates.

The RNC wouldn't let Powell on thier ticket since they've seen he'll do what his conscience dictates and not always the party line.

I've never heard from anyone outside of the very extreme left that would even consider voting for Hillary in almost any realistic circumstance. She's the absolute best thing the DNC could put on the ticket to benefit the RNC. I'd put money there's dumpster loads of dirt just waiting to be "found" should she run.

Nice post. I like your combos except Edwards. He's a twit no matter how you spin him.

You comment about the RNC displays a lack of understanding of the majority of the Republican Party. I know this may be hard to understand but the Party Line truly reflects thoughts and feelings of most of us Republicans. We wouldn't let Colin run as a Republican because he isn't one...

Hillary has a chance if Bill convienently dies just before the election, thus giving her a huge sympathy boost. Any Republican with name recognition will get 49% of the country just by being the anti-Hillary candidate.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » June 14, 2005, 9:06 pm

I respectfully disagree Met. The right wing nutjobs of your party are just the loudest and most in control at the moment. The Dems have had pretty much the same problem, aside from the brief period where Clinton was in there as a moderate, but I think he snuck under the radar because Reagan had swung things so far right and Clinton was a Gov, as opposed to being a direct part of capitol politics, so the core powerplayers in the Dem party didn't know what they were getting. Kerry was a half assed liberal with no real platform other than "I am not George Bush", but that wasn't enough to get the Jesus freaks to vote for him, obviously.

The only moderate republican that has run in the last three decades was Dole and he got assfucked by the mighty righties, who would rather fuck over GOP unity than play ball to get their man in. Obviously, the sting pullers behing W have learned from this and at least pay massive public lip service to these extremists to get their ducks in a row, even if it was only by the narrowest of margins. I honestly do not know who the hell the GOP will stick up there in 08, because none of the current batch are really electable. With W, at least people recognized him by his old man and his vapid ignorance is something a lot of people can identify with. The few charismatic people in the GOP ranks left are ones the extremist wing will never nominate. Unfortunately, the Dems are pretty much in the same boat until someone outside the mainstream can come in as a moderate, most likely a celeb or governor with no direct beltway ties.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » June 15, 2005, 8:46 am

Metanis wrote:You comment about the RNC displays a lack of understanding of the majority of the Republican Party.

Just like the DNC, the RNC is run by loonies backed by people with money and an agenda. Your run of the mill member of either party (and Americans in general) is conservative to moderate. Unfortunately they don't seem have much of a say in things, due to the money that drives both parties candidates, agenda, etc...

I'd like to see a candidate I can vote for, rather than voting against the opponent.

On Edwards, yes he's a twit. But he'll do what he's told and doesn't seem quite as entrenched in DC as some others.