United States now targetting Teeny

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » March 9, 2005, 12:02 pm

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03 ... index.html

BELFAST, Northern Ireland (Reuters) -- The United States has demanded that the IRA disband after the guerrilla group's astonishing offer to shoot the killers of a murdered Northern Ireland Catholic man.

"It's time for the IRA to go out of business," U.S. special envoy Mitchell Reiss said Wednesday.

For the IRA's political ally Sinn Fein, Northern Ireland's biggest Irish nationalist party, the U.S. demand was yet another blow to its democratic credentials.

Reiss told BBC radio: "It's time for Sinn Fein to be able to say explicitly, without ambiguity, without ambivalence, that criminality will not be tolerated.

"You can't sign up for the rule of law a la carte."

The IRA's offer -- also condemned by London and Dublin -- handed fresh ammunition to Protestant rivals who say Sinn Fein is not fit for government until the Irish Republican Army disarms and disbands.

The killing of Robert McCartney by a gang including IRA members has plunged the IRA and Sinn Fein into crisis -- coming just weeks after the guerrilla group was blamed for a £26.5 million ($50 million) bank raid in central Belfast.

London and Dublin say there can be no progress on restoring the British-ruled province's regional government -- set up under a 1998 peace deal to share power between divided Protestants and Catholics -- until the issue of IRA criminality is resolved.

Home rule was suspended in 2002 when unionists, who support ties to Britain, said they would no longer sit in government with Sinn Fein until the IRA got rid of the weapons which sustained its three-decade campaign against British rule.

"It is their declared intent to murder," said hardline Democratic Unionist Party leader Ian Paisley in response to the IRA move. "The Sinn Fein/IRA commitment to terror and criminality is total."

Bar fight
McCartney, a 33-year-old forklift truck driver, was beaten and stabbed to death in a bar fight at the end of January.

His family, who hail from a working class Catholic district considered an IRA heartland, have mounted a vociferous campaign for the killers to be brought to justice, accusing the IRA of intimidating witnesses and cleaning the bar of evidence.

The United States has already signaled its displeasure with the political stagnation in the province by failing to invite the leaders of Sinn Fein and the other Northern Ireland political parties to the White House for St. Patrick's Day celebrations this month.

In a statement released on Tuesday, the IRA said it had held a five-and-a-half hour meeting with the dead man's sisters and fiancee, during which it "stated in clear terms that the IRA was prepared to shoot the people directly involved."

The family rejected the offer, saying they wanted the killers brought to court.

The IRA did not spell out whether it intended to kill or wound the suspects, but Northern Ireland's police chief Hugh Orde said he had no doubt the offer was to assassinate them.

"We are not in the business of applauding or being impressed by illegal organizations' statements," he told the BBC.

"We have to remember that it was IRA members who killed Mr. McCartney, it was IRA members who destroyed the evidence and it was IRA members who threatened and intimidated the witnesses

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » March 9, 2005, 1:41 pm

One thing that I missed in the article.. was the guy killed by IRA members and they're offering to shoot their own people that did it?

Brotha · Post by **Brotha** » March 9, 2005, 3:03 pm

Akaran_D wrote:One thing that I missed in the article.. was the guy killed by IRA members and they're offering to shoot their own people that did it?

Yes, it looks like it.

If you want more info: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/nort ... 332747.stm

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » March 9, 2005, 3:08 pm

What? I thought there was already a cease fire for a while...

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » March 9, 2005, 3:10 pm

So a terrorist group is offering to kill one of their own members for violting the laws of a country they're being, well, terrorists in?

Is this really news?

Brotha · Post by **Brotha** » March 9, 2005, 3:16 pm

Akaran_D wrote:Is this really news?

When you look at how anti-death penalty Europe (and I include the UK in that) is, I guess so.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » March 9, 2005, 3:17 pm

Wulfran · Post by **Wulfran** » March 9, 2005, 8:16 pm

So if its not Americans getting shot or doing the shooting its not news to you guys?

For the record, I applaud your government for condemning the IRA: they are terrorists, just as Hezbollah or Al'Qaeda are, they just have different targets. This is long overdue. And lest Teeny go on a rampage, I feel the same way about the protestant counter groups. There will be no true peace or economic recovery in Northern Ireland until all those bastards are out of business. The cycle of killing and revenge has to stop, and it was never going to as long as the US gov't turned a blind eye (and didn't worry about IRA fundraising in the Irish communities of Boston and other New England enclaves who think they are supporting a bid for "freedom").

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » March 9, 2005, 8:21 pm

In other news...

Huge Oil Reserve Discovered under Northern Ireland

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » March 9, 2005, 8:34 pm

Ironically enough, IRA is mostly funded by Americans...

Aruman · Post by **Aruman** » March 9, 2005, 8:35 pm

Winnow wrote:In other news...

Huge Oil Reserve Discovered under Northern Ireland

/drool... We aren't invading yet? Time's a wastin'!

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » March 9, 2005, 9:20 pm

Winnow wrote:
In other news...

Quote:
Huge Oil Reserve Discovered under Northern Ireland

/drool... We aren't invading yet? Time's a wastin'!

Aha! I knew it! Finally, after long years of arguing and frothing at the mouth, we have proof that you are, in fact, an aggressive and bloodthirsty drooler!

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » March 10, 2005, 12:44 am

I would have to imagine this came about as a result of the Bush Corp's rescent interaction with Euro leaders. Its good to pressure the IRA into shutting down. I don't think anyone can argue against that. The only problem I forsee in this is it is yet another theatre of operations that our already overextended assets are going to be involved in. I would have to believe that if it were a simple task to end this BS, it would have been done long ago by local interested nations. Unless W plans on putting the clamps on the people stateside who are backing those groups (and Israeli prescedent suggest he won't) I doubt any real headway will be made into the issue, however.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » March 10, 2005, 3:06 am

Here's the deal.

Drunken brawl gets out of hand. 2 IRA men kill a man (thug dickhead who started a fight) then threaten everyone in the bar not to go to the police with evidence or suspicion, steals the CCTV tape and run away.

Sisters of murdered man use media to Nth degree to highlight "IRA criminality".
Even though it was just a stupid bar brawl that got out of hand (which happens every fucking night in the world).

IRA state that it was nothing to do with their organisation (which is a Freedom fighting organisation that has stopped being anywhere NEAR as violent as the Protestant UVF and UDA factions) and the acts of single men, who while being known IRA members, are also nutters.

(These lunatics are on both sides, and hold connections in paramilitary ranks because they tend to have FUCK ALL else in life due to this shitty country being shitty)
They are generally the most stupid braindead morons you will ever meet.

This is not necessarily who the IRA or UVF or UDA actually ARE or represent in the actual paramilitary sense, these are the leeches, the wannabes, the alchoholics, the deadbeats with nothing else but a bit of drug dealing to go on.

IRA leadership releases a statement to the effect of "we found out who did it, we think it is disgraceful and we will deal with them if you want us to via the gun, or we can hand them over".

Media fixates on the "deal with it via shooting" clause of the statement and ignores the rest of the story because there is a huge move by the British government and the PSNI (Police) to fuck the IRA over because they have recently:

A. Recieved huge amounts of support in their political wing (Sinn Fein) throughout Ireland, mainly due to being relatively sensible reasonable politicians who do not fill you with complete shit like the British or Protestant ones.

(Fastest and biggest rising party in the country - for good reason, they actually give a fuck about the country!)

B. The police have been unable to PUBLICALLY state who actually carried out the huge Bank robbery that happened here over Christmas, so they have been blaming the IRA even when evidence to suggest the POLICE where involved has already been FOUND and BURIED under further accusatory "guilty until proven innocent" cover up bullllllllshit.

C. Sinn Fein and the IRA consistently point out the massive hypocrisy of the British government and are a huge thorn in their side, even though they have been on a ceasefire for almost a decade (something the Protestant Pro Great Britain factions (UVF and UDA) have failed to keep to - in fact expanding their horrific operations while the government sits and does FUCK ALL).

This is obviously not convenient for the British government who simply cannot look like they allow "terrorism" (which is entirely relative) in their own backyard. Which they do and have. Only the IRA is the most well known and cannot fail to be ignored because of their infamy.

The whole story has taken on such a spin in the last few weeks it worries me more than I have been almost in a decade about the situation here.
The IRA have their backs to the wall, while more deviant organisations with no desire to achieve democracy (Which the IRA have shown time and again in the last several years) are allowed to run rampant.

It is blatant hypocrisy and I find it laughable that the US assumes it will be able to make the IRA disband, it's like telling the USA to start doing what Syria tells it to, its just plain fucking not going to happen. What a joke.

I think all of them are a pile of retarded wankers, and get no support from me, but the real fuckers in this situation are the politicians, the police and the media.

Not the IRA, as a seriously dormant "paramilitary" organisation.

Sadly, the facts of the matter are not told, even in this shimmering beacon of democracy we call Ireland.

This one made me laugh:

It's time for the IRA to go out of business

Naive motherfucker.

It's time for Sinn Fein to be able to say explicitly, without ambiguity, without ambivalence, that criminality will not be tolerated

Um....it's all they have been saying for months, almost daily. On TV. On radio etc.

who the fuck is this clueless moron?

I broke my no posting rule so people have some idea of what is ACTUALLY happening in this hellhole instead of what the bullshit media likes to portray as the case.

Soreali · Post by **Soreali** » March 10, 2005, 3:25 am

Teeny, from one Irishman to another.. I

you man..

Nick · Post by **Nick** » March 10, 2005, 4:27 pm

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » March 10, 2005, 4:56 pm

Thanks Teeny!

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » March 10, 2005, 5:00 pm

Teenybloke wrote:Here's the deal.

Drunken brawl gets out of hand. 2 IRA men kill a man (thug dickhead who started a fight) then threaten everyone in the bar not to go to the police with evidence or suspicion, steals the CCTV tape and run away.

Sisters of murdered man use media to Nth degree to highlight "IRA criminality".
Even though it was just a stupid bar brawl that got out of hand (which happens every fucking night in the world).

IRA state that it was nothing to do with their organisation (which is a Freedom fighting organisation that has stopped being anywhere NEAR as violent as the Protestant UVF and UDA factions) and the acts of single men, who while being known IRA members, are also nutters.

(These lunatics are on both sides, and hold connections in paramilitary ranks because they tend to have FUCK ALL else in life due to this shitty country being shitty)
They are generally the most stupid braindead morons you will ever meet.

This is not necessarily who the IRA or UVF or UDA actually ARE or represent in the actual paramilitary sense, these are the leeches, the wannabes, the alchoholics, the deadbeats with nothing else but a bit of drug dealing to go on.

IRA leadership releases a statement to the effect of "we found out who did it, we think it is disgraceful and we will deal with them if you want us to via the gun, or we can hand them over".

Media fixates on the "deal with it via shooting" clause of the statement and ignores the rest of the story because there is a huge move by the British government and the PSNI (Police) to fuck the IRA over because they have recently:

A. Recieved huge amounts of support in their political wing (Sinn Fein) throughout Ireland, mainly due to being relatively sensible reasonable politicians who do not fill you with complete shit like the British or Protestant ones.

(Fastest and biggest rising party in the country - for good reason, they actually give a fuck about the country!)

B. The police have been unable to PUBLICALLY state who actually carried out the huge Bank robbery that happened here over Christmas, so they have been blaming the IRA even when evidence to suggest the POLICE where involved has already been FOUND and BURIED under further accusatory "guilty until proven innocent" cover up bullllllllshit.

C. Sinn Fein and the IRA consistently point out the massive hypocrisy of the British government and are a huge thorn in their side, even though they have been on a ceasefire for almost a decade (something the Protestant Pro Great Britain factions (UVF and UDA) have failed to keep to - in fact expanding their horrific operations while the government sits and does FUCK ALL).

This is obviously not convenient for the British government who simply cannot look like they allow "terrorism" (which is entirely relative) in their own backyard. Which they do and have. Only the IRA is the most well known and cannot fail to be ignored because of their infamy.

The whole story has taken on such a spin in the last few weeks it worries me more than I have been almost in a decade about the situation here.
The IRA have their backs to the wall, while more deviant organisations with no desire to achieve democracy (Which the IRA have shown time and again in the last several years) are allowed to run rampant.

It is blatant hypocrisy and I find it laughable that the US assumes it will be able to make the IRA disband, it's like telling the USA to start doing what Syria tells it to, its just plain fucking not going to happen. What a joke.

I think all of them are a pile of retarded wankers, and get no support from me, but the real fuckers in this situation are the politicians, the police and the media.

Not the IRA, as a seriously dormant "paramilitary" organisation.

Sadly, the facts of the matter are not told, even in this shimmering beacon of democracy we call Ireland.

This one made me laugh:

It's time for the IRA to go out of business
Naive motherfucker.

It's time for Sinn Fein to be able to say explicitly, without ambiguity, without ambivalence, that criminality will not be tolerated
Um....it's all they have been saying for months, almost daily. On TV. On radio etc.

who the fuck is this clueless moron?

I broke my no posting rule so people have some idea of what is ACTUALLY happening in this hellhole instead of what the bullshit media likes to portray as the case.

So the media highlights the negatives and help portray certain groups as things they aren't. And you shouldn't go off based on what the media is portraying, but you should know the whole story first? Hmmm. Interesting.

Cotto · Post by **Cotto** » March 10, 2005, 5:25 pm

Gotta love this world..ehem..