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This excerpt from an article was sent to me via email today. I admit to a complete ignorance of the issues facing your country. Therefore I am submitting this piece of writing to either see it validated or refuted. The author draws some parallels with the political landscape in Canada and says we are headed down the same road.

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Indeed, if there is a nation blazing the trail for the suicidal social
policy the Liberals and their allies on the Supreme Court seem determined to
pursue, surely it is Holland. Legal drugs, same-sex marriage, euthanasia and
an immigration policy that has filled the country with angry, unassimilated
immigrants, swamping the stolid, tulip-growing Dutch burghers once renowned
world-wide for their tolerance and industry.


This is the country whose vanguard has been anointed as the global model for
multicultural harmony. But now we learn, courtesy of the Daily Telegraph's
European correspondent Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, that it has all gone
horribly wrong. Traffic gridlock, ethnic ghettoes and a couple of notorious
political murders have plunged Holland into crisis. In the first six months
of this year, Evans-Pritchard reports, 13,313 more people left Holland than
arrived "ending a half-century cycle of surging immigration that has turned
a tight-knit Nordic tribe into a multi-ethnic mosaic with three million
people of foreign roots out of 16 million."


Pim Fortuyn, the gay Dutch populist, complained that Muslim immigration and
its extremist elements were beginning to destabilize the whole society. He
was shot for his trouble. The controversial and radical filmmaker Theo van
Gogh criticized Muslim treatment of women and had his throat cut in broad
daylight in the middle of Amsterdam.


We can only hope that Mr. Martin's venture into the world of same-sex
marriage isn't merely the first step on the destructive path of so-called
progressive social policies that have reduced Holland to its current plight.
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I'm not sure I see how 'liberal society' connects to 'lawless society' here. I've admitedly heard little of what was going on here, but so far my conclusion comes to that Holland needs to enforce it's laws better. Protection of the people is not a liberal/conservative ideal, it is a basic function of government.

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Amsterdam isn't a well policed area for one... I don't see any of those countries having the security coverage to handle that. At least in the U.S. if you commit a crime, it's a very very high likelihood you'll be caught.

I hope people don't think it's easy maintaining order and rule in a country.

open arms to muslim extremism?... far from a 'multicultural harmony'.
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I read elsewhere that the most common name given to boys born in Holland for the last 2 years has been "Mohammed" and that the muslim section of the populace is out-breeding the natives by about 3-1.
I didn't check into the veracity of these claims though.
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i saw a news piece on CNN International about it. It is a real issue, but i'm not sure it is as bad has been reported.
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vn_Tanc wrote:I read elsewhere that the most common name given to boys born in Holland for the last 2 years has been "Mohammed" and that the muslim section of the populace is out-breeding the natives by about 3-1.
I didn't check into the veracity of these claims though.
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New Palestinian Homeland?
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Kaldaur wrote:Club Vondersexx Jihad! Holy Warfare and anal probes, unite!
Or did you mean Holey warfare? =D

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Post by Kelshara »

Although there are some problems there, it seems a bit overblown in that article. From what I have read in newspapers from back home it is at least. Also, when was Holland ever Nordic?
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Fash wrote:Amsterdam isn't a well policed area for one... I don't see any of those countries having the security coverage to handle that. At least in the U.S. if you commit a crime, it's a very very high likelihood you'll be caught.
Are you fucking kidding me? If you're an habitual criminal then yes, eventually, at some point, you'll probably get caught. But even habitual criminals get away with more than they're caught for, and a lot are simply never caught.

It's very easy to avoid apprehension if you're of mediocre intelligence and can keep your damn mouth shut, because that's what gets most of these people in trouble, they have to tell *somebody*. Much better to be a catholic if you're going to be a criminal w/ a conscience or a braggart.
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The Netherlands practice tolerance and this is bad because?

It seems to me the only problem is the lack of "melting pot" like effect due to the sheer number of immigrants, so they restrict immigration for a bit and it levels out, all the other rules are not causing the problems.

I spent three years living near the dutch/german border, and the dutch people all considered were consistantly my favorite people on the planet.
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Just a small tidbit of info, because i followed that case a little.

The article mention
Pim Fortuyn, the gay Dutch populist, complained that Muslim immigration and its extremist elements were beginning to destabilize the whole society. He was shot for his trouble."
It make him sound like a fairly normal person, but the guy had some pretty frightening ideas. Of course its too bad he was shot, but it was even more frightening that people actually followed him.

The guy got rejected by 1 party for his views, got kicked out of his own party after he openly talked about his political views in an interview, and had to form his own (which unfortunately got a serious following, but more or less disintegrated after he got shot).

Heres one of his quotes
In August 2001, Fortuyn was quoted in the Rotterdams Dagblad (newspaper) as saying, among other things, "I am also in favour of a cold war with Islam. I see Islam as an extraordinary threat, as a hostile society." This was based in his experience with Islamic intolerance for him and the homosexuals lifestyle.
Wonder how he would like the US after the you guys started banning gay marriages.
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Hesten. you could not buy a clue with lotto winnings, there is is HUGe difference in fact between banning gay marriages and promoting the death sentence for being gay.
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