I think it's nice that we have so many liberals on this board for debate purposes but this election goes to Bush after all is said and done.
It will be close. The democrats feel punked from last election's close loss so the corruption on the democrat side may be higher than I think which would make this even closer than it should be.
I think that the large number of voters who are currently being underpolled (first time voters) will largely vote for Kerry as they are mainly an anti-Bush voting block. Thus, Kerry will win by a suprisingly large margin, which will be talked about by pundits as "How did we get this so wrong."
Recount/controversey.
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Akaran of Mistmoore, formerly Akaran of Veeshan I know I'm good at what I do, but I know I'm not the best.
But I guess that on the other hand, I could be like the rest.
I'm betting on an embarassingly childish display from both sides, regardless of who wins. Either way, they will redefine the term "sore winner". The winning "side" will over the next few days, come to question their choice, aside from a few pathetic apologists.
24 hours til Recount 2004.
Let's think the unthinkable, let's do the undoable, let's prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all. - Douglas Adams
"There is at least as much need to curb the cruel greed and arrogance of part of the world of capital, to curb the cruel greed and violence of part of the world of labor, as to check a cruel and unhealthy militarism in international relationships." -Theodore Roosevelt
I'm just going to save time, and cast a write in vote for "Manuel Recount."
"There is at least as much need to curb the cruel greed and arrogance of part of the world of capital, to curb the cruel greed and violence of part of the world of labor, as to check a cruel and unhealthy militarism in international relationships." -Theodore Roosevelt
Most of my conservative friends, though not nearly as angry as me, all think Bush is a terrible president. Most of them feel this way because of his massive spending. I think the election is going to be a lot less close than the polls suggest. There is going to be a large turn out against Bush from conservatives. About 35% of this country are true bible thumpers. Those are solidly Bush. All of my conservative friends, however, are conservatives for economic reasons. I am going to bet on my microcosim and predict Kerry (who will also be a terrible president - but not a dangerous one) in a landslide.
I will then predict a complete reworking of the GOP. In that reworking you will see 8 - 12 solid years of liberal Democrat leadership, but over time, the GOP will reemerge as a liberatartian base, pulling many of the socially liberal, economically consevative Dems into its fold. The religious right will be marginalized, but will start of a new party. The future elections will see the two major parties taking a total of 75%ish of the vote, and an emergance of a mulitiparty system in the US.
FOX News/Opinion Dynamics: 48 percent of likely voters back Kerry, 46 percent Bush, 1 percent independent candidate Ralph Nader (search) and 5 percent are undecided, according to the poll released on Monday, which was conducted Oct. 30-31. Among registered voters, Kerry leads 47 percent to 45 percent, with Nader receiving 1 percent. Results among both likely voters and registered voters are within the poll's plus or minus three-percentage point margin of error.
Bush and Kerry both had 46 percent support in the FOX News tracking poll conducted Oct. 29-30. The tracking poll from Oct. 27-28 had Bush up 50 percent to Kerry's 45 percent.
A national poll conducted Oct. 31 by Marist University gives the Kerry-Edwards ticket 49 percent, compared to Bush-Cheney's 48 percent. Another 3 percent of the 987 likely voters surveyed are unsure.
I am still hoping but I think it will go down in a huge controversy with Bush being the final winner. And with all the nasty crap I have witnessed here in Ohio I can't say anything but that democracy has taken a huge downturn.
Winnow wrote:Hmm this isn't good news for Bush from FOX:
FOX News/Opinion Dynamics: 48 percent of likely voters back Kerry, 46 percent Bush, 1 percent independent candidate Ralph Nader (search) and 5 percent are undecided, according to the poll released on Monday, which was conducted Oct. 30-31. Among registered voters, Kerry leads 47 percent to 45 percent, with Nader receiving 1 percent. Results among both likely voters and registered voters are within the poll's plus or minus three-percentage point margin of error.
Bush and Kerry both had 46 percent support in the FOX News tracking poll conducted Oct. 29-30. The tracking poll from Oct. 27-28 had Bush up 50 percent to Kerry's 45 percent.
A national poll conducted Oct. 31 by Marist University gives the Kerry-Edwards ticket 49 percent, compared to Bush-Cheney's 48 percent. Another 3 percent of the 987 likely voters surveyed are unsure.
Too damn close.
bah! we all know Fox has a huge liberal bias, im sure they polled only there ultra-left wing liberals, because we know only ultra left wing liberals watch fox
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My brother was telling me both candidates have a recount fund set aside. Bush has like 11 million and Kerry has 7.5 million. Very sad state of affairs.
Just finished voting for John Kerry, i was taking a little peek at some of the other ballots in the middle of a very conservative polling area and saw a lot of other Kerry votes
Also nearby there was a 4 block-long line, as they said on the news, noone stands in line for four hours to tell someone there doing a good job
-xzionis human mage on mannoroth
-zeltharath tauren shaman on wildhammer
My polling area was pretty quiet this morning and the bitties were very slow. I guess you can't expect too much though, I guess I wouldn't be moving too fast at 6:15 in the morning when I'm 75
Either way, I'm concerned. I've got knots in my stomach about Bush winning and what it'll mean for the country for the next four years when he doesn't have to worry about reelection.
I'm also concerned about Kerry being able to clean up the Bush mess if he hopefully wins. He'll never be considered a good president if he does win (after he leaves), as he'll have to do some seriously amazing things to pull this country out of the damage of the last four years. Hopefully he'll at least get us through his term safely and start repairing some foreign relations we've lost.