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noel wrote:
Atokal wrote:Noel Reynolds we both know you would be in Canada if you were drafted.
You would bike to Washington State, Run to the border along the beach, and swim to Vancouver Island. Pose for a picture and undoubtedly become the poster boy for those Objectors.
Jeffrey, not only would I serve, but boot camp wouldn't be nearly as hard for me as it would be for your tired, out of shape ass.

Once again, the amount of information you don't know about me I could just about fit in the Grand Canyon. Do us all a favor and stop embarassing yourself.
Yes, Noel I am quite thankful that what I know about you I could fit into a thimble.
Further I have no doubt that once they caught you and sent you back to the USA your ass would be in fine shape from the time you got to spend in Fort Carson entertaining the other inmates.

In the meantime OBJECT boy and swim, run, bike.
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Atokal wrote:, Noel I am quite thankful that what I know about you I could fit into a thimble.
Nice of you to finally admit it.

I'm quite sure BUD/S would give me all the exercise I need.
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Refusing to serve over objections religious or ethical is one thing, but 99.9% of so called conscientious objectors are merely cowards looking for an excuse.
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looking for an excuse to get out your government's corrupt little oil grab? yeah right.

oh wait, Iraq was poised to invade the united states at any given moment!
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kyoukan wrote:looking for an excuse to get out your government's corrupt little oil grab? yeah right.

oh wait, Iraq was poised to invade the united states at any given moment!
I guess it would be ok if they didn't use gas while they were on the run. I can't blame anyone if they wanted to go native and live off the land and would be thrilled if they moved to Canada.
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Akaran_D wrote:And for those of us that don't disagree with it, we'll have plenty of fun dieing to protect your right to be whiney little brats.
As long as you don't write a book about your experiences, PLEASE.
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kyoukan wrote:looking for an excuse to get out your government's corrupt little oil grab? yeah right.

oh wait, Iraq was poised to invade the united states at any given moment!
With no airforce!
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:I am sure there was the same attitude every time the U.S. has been in a war...dating all the way back to the war for independence. Guesss we would still be a colony like Canada is if the people with real backbones didn't stand up and take over. The only comforting thing is that the liberals will never ever stand up to anyone.
Yes, because we're really suffering from oppresion up here... here's a hint. I enjoy more personal freedoms than you do. Have fun living in a piece of shit town!
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Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told reporters Tuesday he sees no need for a draft. He said the military is managing to attract enough skilled recruits without one.
He also said that the war would cost about 6 billion the first year, 10 the next, etc...And he's spent over 90 billion on it. The Bush admin says a lot, it's too bad they fuck up on everything they say they will do. They don't listen to the central intelligence agency or anyone else around the world and completely fucked up on a war they thought they'd win in a month or two. The war is completely chaotic, or completely ignored, and it's just getting worse day by day. Our troops are continueing to die while we gain nothing. With no Allies, how the fuck could we keep fighting the war without a draft?
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Umm Both candidates for president have now stated that the Army will remain a volunteer force. All you cowardly little bitches can keep driving your SUVs and whining about gas prices while letting those with honor and nobility fight for you.
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All you cowardly little bitches can keep driving your SUVs and whining about gas prices while letting those with honor and nobility fight for you.
Yeah those poor honorable and noble people like Lynndie England who fight for the freedom of the Iraqi and to protect the Mighty USA!

You make me laugh.
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Comparing the United States Armed Forces et al with one reservist from West Virginia is like comparing all democrats to Xzion or all republicans to Midnyte. Niether is true. But for those 18 to 36 whining about the draft while driving an SUV, they ARE universally wrong.

But irregardless. both the current president and the Defense Secretary have said there is not going to be a draft, and so has the opposition candidate.
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All you cowardly little bitches can keep driving your SUVs and whining about gas prices while letting those with honor and nobility fight for you.
I don't drive an SUV you fucking ass hole. I ride my bike to and from school and use a car maybe two or three times a week when I really need it. The car I do own is a 95 ford taurus, with 2 working doors out of four and no working radio.

This war goes against all of my values and my philosophy towards life, therefore I will not fight for a war that does nothing, absolutely nothing to help insure my freedoms and liberties given to me by this great country.

If we are are going to fight wars in the name of freedom then I sure as hell should have the freedom to disagree and criticize what the government is doing to our country and the world. You condemn those who disagree with your leaders as if doing so is traitorous, when it is merely excercizing our right to change our country when we believe it needs change. It is an exercize of true patriotism and love for our country.

The reason we call ourselves a free country, a democracy, is because the people are supposed to have the power. The power to bring change to their country's policy when they believe it is headed in the wrong direction. Now, more than ever, I believe this country is going in the wrong direction and is a danger to the well-being of the entire world.

You may disagree with me strongly, but don't question my patriotism and my gratitude toward my country.
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Kev, you have the right to criticize if you vote.

You have the right to feel as you wish.

You do not have the right to decide that you are an American with all the responsibilities and privileges that entails ONLY when YOU feel like it is in YOUR best interest and matching your beliefs.

You cannot pick and choose your conflicts, that is NOT democracy. Democracy means we vote, we pick leaders, we tell them they are hero's or fools and follow them until we get to pick the next set of hero's and fools. If you decide that you are above that, and only have to do what you want to do, then you my friend are not a supporter of democracy, you are a supporter of anarchy.
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote: It has been stated quite frequently that "we lied" or "Bush lied". There is a pretty big difference between him knowing the truth and flat out lying to the public ala Clinton
And Reagan, and Bush Sr, et al

Don't pedestal your "heros". They're schmucks as well
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If you decide that you are above that, and only have to do what you want to do, then you my friend are not a supporter of democracy, you are a supporter of anarchy.
Nice fascist statement there mr. democracy. Nice to know I'm an anarchist if I don't go along with everything my government chooses to do. Fact is, our leadership can be wrong, and going a long with what you know is wrong is a disgrace to our democracy and our freedom of thought.

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Kylere wrote:Kev, you have the right to criticize if you vote.

You have the right to feel as you wish.

You do not have the right to decide that you are an American with all the responsibilities and privileges that entails ONLY when YOU feel like it is in YOUR best interest and matching your beliefs.

You cannot pick and choose your conflicts, that is NOT democracy. Democracy means we vote, we pick leaders, we tell them they are hero's or fools and follow them until we get to pick the next set of hero's and fools. If you decide that you are above that, and only have to do what you want to do, then you my friend are not a supporter of democracy, you are a supporter of anarchy.
Well, over 50% of the US voters did NOT vote for the current leadership. You call that a democracy?
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Cart, you warmongering hateful little prick, the day a drop of sense excretes from your flabby facial hole is the day your opinion will be seen as valid. Until then, keep on rocking!11

Little buddy, it's people like you that make the world (you know, the 5.75 billion other people outside your shitheap neon monstrosity of a land) realise what a bunch of zealots and pyscho's your turning into.

You disrespect your country more than I ever could.

Kilmoll my old mucker you got the wrong end i'm afraid mate. The reason they would be laughed out is not because of British 'rule', but because people here have more sense than to get involved in corrupt wars.
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Teenybloke wrote:Cart, you warmongering hateful little prick, the day a drop of sense excretes from your flabby facial hole is the day your opinion will be seen as valid. Until then, keep on rocking!11

Little buddy, it's people like you that make the world (you know, the 5.75 billion other people outside your shitheap neon monstrosity of a land) realise what a bunch of zealots and pyscho's your turning into.

You disrespect your country more than I ever could.

Kilmoll my old mucker you got the wrong end i'm afraid mate. The reason they would be laughed out is not because of British 'rule', but because people here have more sense than to get involved in corrupt wars.
Nah, its because you hardly have enough time between bottles to get involved in anything except commenting on world events, Events which your little pissant country has never been involved.
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Atokal wrote:
Teenybloke wrote:Cart, you warmongering hateful little prick, the day a drop of sense excretes from your flabby facial hole is the day your opinion will be seen as valid. Until then, keep on rocking!11

Little buddy, it's people like you that make the world (you know, the 5.75 billion other people outside your shitheap neon monstrosity of a land) realise what a bunch of zealots and pyscho's your turning into.

You disrespect your country more than I ever could.

Kilmoll my old mucker you got the wrong end i'm afraid mate. The reason they would be laughed out is not because of British 'rule', but because people here have more sense than to get involved in corrupt wars.
Nah, its because you hardly have enough time between bottles to get involved in anything except commenting on world events, Events which your little pissant country has never been involved.
"Little pissant country"
Damn anyone thats insecure enough to boast about there homecountrys power or to make fun of someone elses opionion because there country is not an ambitious war-loving power truly is pathetic
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So thats what he was saying, I see. Well allow me to retort.

Atokal, it's not "my country". Patriotism is a load of shit.
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In terms of getting drunk so much, I am actually glad that is how the world sees the Irish, it's much better than how they see people like you.

Also, and this will be the last of the matter, to take offence to the fact I am interested in world events merely shows the underlying insecurity in your own (poorly educated) belief structures, you know, the ones that make you look like an ass, which you are.

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Kylere wrote: You cannot pick and choose your conflicts, that is NOT democracy. Democracy means we vote, we pick leaders, we tell them they are hero's or fools and follow them until we get to pick the next set of hero's and fools. If you decide that you are above that, and only have to do what you want to do, then you my friend are not a supporter of democracy, you are a supporter of anarchy.
Your definition of democracy is not only purely a description of your own fractured model of the ideal, it's inherently wrong. It's not even a good description of your own.

The very idea that someone in "the greatest country in the world", whose citizens and leaders are always banging on about their "freedoms", should suggest that the citizens shut up and follow their leader blindly until he's voted out is abhorrent.

You even have an amendment to the constitution to keep the population *armed* if the government gets out of hand, and yet you think they shouldn't be allowed to fuckingwell TALK?

Shame on you.
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I love how utterly clueless fucks like Zaelath and Kev read PART of my post. I never said you could not say anything against them, I specifically said
Kev, you have the right to criticize if you vote.


But the fact remains no matter how many ripped off images you post that you cannot decide which laws you are going to follow, and when you are going to follow them. As much as Kev would like it to be, we are not a nation of men, we are a nation of laws, and wehn you play pick and choose based on the administration you are not participating in a democracy.

Example given, my current mayor is an utter moron, but that does not give me the right to break laws, I can critique him, write about him. work for his recall. But I cannot ignore the need to pay taxes, to drive responsibly or decide not to pay my water bill. If the President who sends us to war be it someone I like or dislike I still have to go if called upon as a citizen. I HATED Bill Clinton, but when he sent me to Rwanda, I did not go AWOL, when he sent me to Bosnia, I did not go AWOL.

Democracy is what you make of it, and choosing not to participate when your side comes in second in an election is anarchy.

We have the right to bear arms to prevent tyranny, and the first time a president decides he is President for life, I will be right out in the streets shooting his supporters, but until the rule of law is violated I will follow that law, as any good citizen will.
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I bet Kylere breaks speed limits at times.. anarchist!
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How did Ireland get brought into this? Let us please return to the topic at hand.

I think fighting to protect yourself or others who cannot protect themselves is admirable. I also think fighting for money (and please drop the rhetoric to this naysayers, we all know it comes down to that in the conflict the US is presently engadged in), not only fighting but murdering human beings for money, is pathetic. I would not do it. They can put me through boot camp, put a gun in my hand and point me at people with orders to kill, but they cannot make me pull the trigger (Unless Bush has plans to MK Ultracize our armed forces :P ).

If I did do such a thing, how much more would I lose? Would I be able to ever look at myself in a mirror EVER again knowing I just put a dollar sign on someone's life and cashed it in. I do not think so. I could be labeled a coward for my beliefs only because I am truly afraid of becoming a human monster.

My feelings on this matter can be found in this quote:
I will not do battle to further the causes of false prophets, to further the treasures of kings, or to avenge my own injured pride.
And to the many gold-wealthy mercenaries, religious and secular, who would look upon such a vow as unrealistic, impractical, even ridiculous, I cross my arms over my chest and declare with conviction: I am the richer by far.
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Acies wrote: I think fighting to protect yourself or others who cannot protect themselves is admirable.
So the Iraqi people that were being murdered by Saddam and his twisted sons could protect themselves?
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Yeah because if Iraq had no oil your government would give a shit.
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Kylere wrote:I love how utterly clueless fucks like Zaelath and Kev read PART of my post. I never said you could not say anything against them, I specifically said
Kev, you have the right to criticize if you vote.
And I love you dogmatic jarheads too.

You have far more than the right to criticize your leaders, and as the "reservist scumbags" that you so passionately disavow found out, you have the duty to refuse to follow them at times too.

I don't really give a good shit how you prequalified your post, the spirit of it was that you should shut the fuck up and follow Bush without question. I suppose you think it would change the tone of the KKK manifesto if it had the bill of rights stapled to the front of it.
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I HATED Bill Clinton, but when he sent me to Rwanda, I did not go AWOL, when he sent me to Bosnia, I did not go AWOL.
Well you were in the fucking army. Somebody who volunteers for the army then refuses to go to war deserves nothing but contempt. Which is a universe away from being forced to join the army against your will to fight a war you morally object to. To suggest even the slightest grain of parallel is asinine.
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My feelings on this matter can be found in this quote:

Quote:
I will not do battle to further the causes of false prophets, to further the treasures of kings, or to avenge my own injured pride.
And to the many gold-wealthy mercenaries, religious and secular, who would look upon such a vow as unrealistic, impractical, even ridiculous, I cross my arms over my chest and declare with conviction: I am the richer by far.


Bonus points to whomever finds out who wrote this (and who really wrote this).
I know a part of that is in the Drizzt Do'Urden saga, written by R.A Salvatore !

Dont know if it is the original author of this sentence though !

Will look at that further
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Off topic question:
If we went to iraq for the oil, why are the prices per barel going towards 50$ a pop?
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Akaran, you are assuming your government went to war for your benefit, which is a wild assumption and not one I was making.

On another note, this forceful emphatic single minded leader some you see in Bush is as follows:
"When the second plane hit the tower, his chief of staff entered the classroom and told Mr. Bush the nation is under attack."

"At 9:05 a.m., the White House chief of staff, Andrew H. Card Jr., stepped into the classroom and whispered into the president's right ear, ‘A second plane hit the other tower, and America's under attack."
David E. Sanger and Don Van Natta Jr -> After The Attacks: The Events; In Four Days, A National Crisis Changes Bush's Presidency,” The New York Times, September 16, 2001.

"Mr. Bush just sat there and continued to read My Pet Goat."

"It was while attending a second-grade reading class at Emma E. Booker Elementary School in Sarasota, Fla., to promote his education reforms that President Bush learned America was under attack. In the presence of her VIP guest, teacher Sandra Kay Daniels, 45, conducted the day's lesson, which centered on a story about a pet goat."
“9/11: A Year After,” Los Angeles Times, September 11, 2002

"President Bush listened to 18 Booker Elementary School second-graders read a story about a girl's pet goat Tuesday before he spoke briefly and somberly about the terrorist attacks."
"Bush hears of attack while visiting Booker," Sarasota Herald-Tribune, September 12, 2001

"Nearly seven minutes passed with nobody doing anything."

"He lingered in the room for another six minutes [after being informed of the second plane]… [At] 9:12, he abruptly retreated, speaking to Mr. Cheney and New York officials."
David E. Sanger and Don Van Natta Jr., "After The Attacks: The Events;In Four Days, A National Crisis Changes Bush's Presidency," The New York Times, September 16, 2001.

"Mr. Bush remained in the elementary school for nearly a half an hour after Andy Card whispered in his ear."
Michael Kranish, "Bush: US To Hunt Down Attackers," Boston Globe, September 11, 2001.
There is also video footage to accompany.

Another note, may I ask when 3000 of your fellow countrymen died in a brutal attack that may repeat, you allow this saviour Bush's father to do business to this day with the Bin Laden family whilst allowing the main culprit to escape in favour of a personal vendetta against Saddam.

Do you honestly think he has your countries best interests at heart?

It seems to me you are forgetting who was responsible for terrorising your country.
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If we went to iraq for the oil, why are the prices per barel going towards 50$ a pop?
Outside of all politica debate, i would think that is because Iraq has still not recover it full productive capacity. And the attentat on the pipe-line every now and then prolly don't help.

Others countries who are able to extract oil too are not producting more (the current price is a good deal for them i guess, can we blame them?)

I think thoses reason can explain a part of that price.
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Akaran_D wrote:Off topic question:
If we went to iraq for the oil, why are the prices per barel going towards 50$ a pop?
Because people coped quite well w/ $40/barrel... securing the Iraq oil reserve has little impact on the price a few months later. It has a massive impact on the security of the US and it's economy over the next 10-50 years though.
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Akaran_D wrote:Off topic question:
If we went to iraq for the oil, why are the prices per barel going towards 50$ a pop?
Because the US is consuming inordinate amounts of fuel for their invasion and occupation of Iraq.
Because the insurgents are attacking pipelines and oil production facilities.
Because the US would sooner replenish it's massive reserves than give it's citizens a break on fuel prices.

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miir wrote:
Akaran_D wrote:Off topic question:
If we went to iraq for the oil, why are the prices per barel going towards 50$ a pop?
Because the US is consuming inordinate amounts of fuel for their invasion and occupation of Iraq.
Because the insurgents are attacking pipelines and oil production facilities.
Because the US would sooner replenish it's massive reserves than give it's citizens a break on fuel prices.
Or maybe the <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u ... 34">threat of war in Nigeria</a>?
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Don't look at me, but m-w.com wrote: Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that "there is no such word." There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.
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Irregardless is a brutal combination of the words 'regardless' and 'irrespective'. It contains a negative suffix and prefix, making it a 'logical absurdity'.


Eventhough it is used (incorrectly) in spoken word, it is as acceptable is pronouncing nuclear as 'nook-u-ler'.

In other words, if you use 'irregardless' around people with a high school education, you will most likely be ridiculed.
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I love how utterly clueless fucks like Zaelath and Kev read PART of my post.
I did read your fucking post. You said basically that I can disagree with my government, but still have to fight their wars if they ask me to. That is fucking bullshit. If I have strong feelings on an issue and am vocal about it, then my actions follow those feelings. I do not fight wars that I believe are completely unnecessary and detrimental to our country and the world. You somehow got it into your head that the war on Iraq is defending our freedom and way of life, it has nothing to do with that. It was an offensive war on a country that was no threat to us, it was not a war to defend our country.

The leaders of our country are blatant liars and they are the most secretive administration in the history of the US, that is not democratic. They had one path to follow when they came into office, and they do not care what the people or the world thinks. They do what they do as rulers, not as those who serve their people in a democracy. We ARE inheriting a facsist state of mind from this administration and that is absolutely frightening.

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Teenybloke wrote:Cart, you warmongering hateful little prick, the day a drop of sense excretes from your flabby facial hole is the day your opinion will be seen as valid. Until then, keep on rocking!11

Little buddy, it's people like you that make the world (you know, the 5.75 billion other people outside your shitheap neon monstrosity of a land) realise what a bunch of zealots and pyscho's your turning into.

You disrespect your country more than I ever could.

Kilmoll my old mucker you got the wrong end i'm afraid mate. The reason they would be laughed out is not because of British 'rule', but because people here have more sense than to get involved in corrupt wars.
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Ireland is third world?

When did that happen?
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Teenybloke wrote:Akaran, you are assuming your government went to war for your benefit, which is a wild assumption and not one I was making.

On another note, this forceful emphatic single minded leader some you see in Bush is as follows:
"When the second plane hit the tower, his chief of staff entered the classroom and told Mr. Bush the nation is under attack."

"At 9:05 a.m., the White House chief of staff, Andrew H. Card Jr., stepped into the classroom and whispered into the president's right ear, ‘A second plane hit the other tower, and America's under attack."
David E. Sanger and Don Van Natta Jr -> After The Attacks: The Events; In Four Days, A National Crisis Changes Bush's Presidency,” The New York Times, September 16, 2001.

"Mr. Bush just sat there and continued to read My Pet Goat."

"It was while attending a second-grade reading class at Emma E. Booker Elementary School in Sarasota, Fla., to promote his education reforms that President Bush learned America was under attack. In the presence of her VIP guest, teacher Sandra Kay Daniels, 45, conducted the day's lesson, which centered on a story about a pet goat."
“9/11: A Year After,” Los Angeles Times, September 11, 2002

"President Bush listened to 18 Booker Elementary School second-graders read a story about a girl's pet goat Tuesday before he spoke briefly and somberly about the terrorist attacks."
"Bush hears of attack while visiting Booker," Sarasota Herald-Tribune, September 12, 2001

"Nearly seven minutes passed with nobody doing anything."

"He lingered in the room for another six minutes [after being informed of the second plane]… [At] 9:12, he abruptly retreated, speaking to Mr. Cheney and New York officials."
David E. Sanger and Don Van Natta Jr., "After The Attacks: The Events;In Four Days, A National Crisis Changes Bush's Presidency," The New York Times, September 16, 2001.

"Mr. Bush remained in the elementary school for nearly a half an hour after Andy Card whispered in his ear."
Michael Kranish, "Bush: US To Hunt Down Attackers," Boston Globe, September 11, 2001.
There is also video footage to accompany.

Another note, may I ask when 3000 of your fellow countrymen died in a brutal attack that may repeat, you allow this saviour Bush's father to do business to this day with the Bin Laden family whilst allowing the main culprit to escape in favour of a personal vendetta against Saddam.

Do you honestly think he has your countries best interests at heart?

It seems to me you are forgetting who was responsible for terrorising your country.
This is comming from a guy who lives in a country of terrorist, Shut you hole Dungbean. I have no clue why Britain keeps you fucks around umm never mind every country needs laborers.
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Cart. Seriously... back off, get some oxygen, do some research on Ireland. Labelling it a country of terrorists shows a real lack of understanding of where Ireland has been, where they are, and where they're going.
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Hey Cart the only terrorists in Ireland got financed by your fellow Americans! And to add to that, Irish beer > American beer!
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Xzion- wrote:"Little pissant country"
Damn anyone thats insecure enough to boast about there homecountrys power or to make fun of someone elses opionion because there country is not an ambitious war-loving power truly is pathetic
There's very few countries us Canadians can say we have a stronger military presence than, don't steal our fucking thunder, bitch!
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Okay let's see here, i will take the hit on irregardless, no excuse. I should not have been posting tired so it is my hit.

I like how people people and choose, I guess it is okay to decide that fighting one war is worth fighting and another is not, based on the wide spectrum of intelligence data provided to Joe Citizen so they can make an informed choice. If my country calls on me to serve, I will serve. If I feel the war is wrong I will state my opinion and vote differently or work to organize a recall of the officials involved. But I will work within the laws, and within the system, not placing myself about the law. Hell I will even give Kerry the credit for that, he served, THEN WHINED. Kev wants to skip the serving part and stick with the whining. That is inexcusable, if we were invading Poland it would be different, if I was given an assignment to work in a concentration camp, it would be different. As for the JFK quote, remember he did not whine out of serving, he served with honor THEN whined.

Do I think in hindsight that we should have went into Iraq the second time? Nope, but hindsight is 20/20. Do I think in hindsight the GulF War 1 was needed? Yes I do, we had to honor out treaty commitment to Kuwait or we may as well have folded and went isolationist.

Oh BTW Zaeleth you dumbfuck, I am not voting for Bush. I am votiing third party., Bush and Kerry are both completely unqualified to be the leader of the free world.
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Kylere wrote:Okay let's see here, i will take the hit on irregardless, no excuse. I should not have been posting tired so it is my hit.

I like how people people and choose, I guess it is okay to decide that fighting one war is worth fighting and another is not, based on the wide spectrum of intelligence data provided to Joe Citizen so they can make an informed choice. If my country calls on me to serve, I will serve. If I feel the war is wrong I will state my opinion and vote differently or work to organize a recall of the officials involved. But I will work within the laws, and within the system, not placing myself about the law. Hell I will even give Kerry the credit for that, he served, THEN WHINED. Kev wants to skip the serving part and stick with the whining. That is inexcusable, if we were invading Poland it would be different, if I was given an assignment to work in a concentration camp, it would be different. As for the JFK quote, remember he did not whine out of serving, he served with honor THEN whined.

Do I think in hindsight that we should have went into Iraq the second time? Nope, but hindsight is 20/20. Do I think in hindsight the GulF War 1 was needed? Yes I do, we had to honor out treaty commitment to Kuwait or we may as well have folded and went isolationist.

Oh BTW Zaeleth you dumbfuck, I am not voting for Bush. I am votiing third party., Bush and Kerry are both completely unqualified to be the leader of the free world.
You left out the part where both JFKs were volunteers.
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With exception to a rare few conflicts, I would suppose that always telling yourself that you're "defending your country" is a must in order to feel less dirty.
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Atokal would be more than happy to go fight in Iraq.

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Kylere wrote: Oh BTW Zaeleth you dumbfuck, I am not voting for Bush. I am votiing third party., Bush and Kerry are both completely unqualified to be the leader of the free world.
Good for you. When did I ever say you were voting for Bush?

Besides which, act your fucking age and attack my position, because your petty insults just make you look childish; not strong, resolute, passionate, or Texan.
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Zaelath wrote:or Texan.
Now that's just fucked up.
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