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Should we keep suspending people for violating *FF*?

Poll ended at June 13, 2004, 9:09 pm

Yes - Keep *FF*
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No - Lose *FF*
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Post by Funkmasterr »

Well, it seems to me that what you are saying is kind of covered by the "abuse of FF" rule... I mean, I guess I don't see what the big deal is.
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Post by Dregor Thule »

So now you get into the grey area of what is abusing it. Now the mods have to decide if someone is abusing it, even if the original poster doesn't feel they are, maybe some of the Vaulters don't feel it either. Hey look, another can of worms! It just keeps getting better and better.
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It's pretty easy to tell a legit request for FF apart from an assling trying to post shit and not get called for it.
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Post by Funkmasterr »

I agree, there could be some situations where there was a grey area but i think for the most part its pretty black and white
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Dregor Thule wrote:So now you get into the grey area of what is abusing it. Now the mods have to decide if someone is abusing it, even if the original poster doesn't feel they are, maybe some of the Vaulters don't feel it either. Hey look, another can of worms! It just keeps getting better and better.
So, when Drustwyn says that his sister has a horrible degerative disease and some jackhole starts talking shit about his sister, we're supposed to accept that at face value? He was asking for support for a charity walk he was doing. Whether or not you are affected by the disease, there's no reasonable explaination for turning the thread around and flaming him or his sister because of it.

I also don't believe that the post about memorial day and the request for a flame-free post was out of line. Regardless of the current political situation, I don't know that there's a person here that would argue that the veterans of World War 1 or World War 2 weren't putting their lives on the line for a just cause. There was just no reason or excuse for Toshira or Fesuni's posts on that thread.

You're becoming more and more like some bnet forums retard every day. Grow the fuck up.
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Cartalas wrote:If they knew they would be banned maybe they wouldnt reply.
Although it should be called a suspension rather than a banning.

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Aranuil wrote:
Atokal wrote:I second the banning of Dregor Phule. 8)
We're not banning anyone to satisfy your assanine personal vendetta toward someone who's gotten over on you every time you've posted.
Hey asshole, talking about personal vendettas then coming after me once again is well LUDIKROUS. Don't get yer cycling shorts in a bunch little boy and get yer lips off Dregors ass or you will get stretch marks.
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Who let Atokal out of his cage? It isn't feeding time yet.

The suspensions that were given out were stupid. FF is fine as long as it is not abused and everyone are aware of it. Suspending someone for something that has been inactive for what, 2 years? That is stupid.

However, it will be interesting to see what is defined "Legit FF material".
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Atokal wrote:
Aranuil wrote:
Atokal wrote:I second the banning of Dregor Phule. 8)
We're not banning anyone to satisfy your assanine personal vendetta toward someone who's gotten over on you every time you've posted.
Hey asshole, talking about personal vendettas then coming after me once again is well LUDIKROUS. Don't get yer cycling shorts in a bunch little boy and get yer lips off Dregors ass or you will get stretch marks.
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If you'd been paying attention Atokal, you'd have noticed that Dregor and I are on opposite sides of the fence on this issue.

You don't (as yet) appear to have an opinion on this issue, you just wanted to be an idiot. Go back to being retired.
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Pahreyia wrote:
Dregor Thule wrote:So now you get into the grey area of what is abusing it. Now the mods have to decide if someone is abusing it, even if the original poster doesn't feel they are, maybe some of the Vaulters don't feel it either. Hey look, another can of worms! It just keeps getting better and better.
So, when Drustwyn says that his sister has a horrible degerative disease and some jackhole starts talking shit about his sister, we're supposed to accept that at face value? He was asking for support for a charity walk he was doing. Whether or not you are affected by the disease, there's no reasonable explaination for turning the thread around and flaming him or his sister because of it.

I also don't believe that the post about memorial day and the request for a flame-free post was out of line. Regardless of the current political situation, I don't know that there's a person here that would argue that the veterans of World War 1 or World War 2 weren't putting their lives on the line for a just cause. There was just no reason or excuse for Toshira or Fesuni's posts on that thread.

You're becoming more and more like some bnet forums retard every day. Grow the fuck up.
Honestly? Yes, you accep the fact that the fucktard posted that in that thread. And then you rail on his ass for being a crass son of a bitch. Welcome to the VV, bitch.

What if someone had posted a FF thread about Reagan's death? This isn't directed at you by the way, because I know you're too much of an anal twit who can't think for themselves. Would it have been wrong for people to decry the "accomplishments" of Reagan? It would have been wrong to YOU, but what about those who agreed? Why should some fucking little tag make it ok to suspend someone for expressing their opinion when we don't even police what is being said. It's hypocritcal and goes against this entire community.
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Because not even Cartalas is dumb enough to post an FF about something like that. Besides, it's easy enough for you and your liberal cohorts to PM a mod and point out a bogus FF thread.
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masteen wrote:Because not even Cartalas is dumb enough to post an FF about something like that. Besides, it's easy enough for you and your liberal cohorts to PM a mod and point out a bogus FF thread.
I can't tell if you're joking, from Cartalas not being dumb enough for something to someones inabitlity to use the PM function.
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Here's another What If? for you guys. What if someone who donated made a negative post in a thread marked FF?
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Dregor Thule wrote:
masteen wrote:Because not even Cartalas is dumb enough to post an FF about something like that. Besides, it's easy enough for you and your liberal cohorts to PM a mod and point out a bogus FF thread.
I can't tell if you're joking, from Cartalas not being dumb enough for something to someones inabitlity to use the PM function.
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Dregor Thule wrote:Here's another What If? for you guys. What if someone who donated made a negative post in a thread marked FF?
They get banned.
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Cartalas wrote:
Dregor Thule wrote:
masteen wrote:Because not even Cartalas is dumb enough to post an FF about something like that. Besides, it's easy enough for you and your liberal cohorts to PM a mod and point out a bogus FF thread.
I can't tell if you're joking, from Cartalas not being dumb enough for something to someones inabitlity to use the PM function.
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Aranuil wrote:
Cartalas wrote:
Dregor Thule wrote:
masteen wrote:Because not even Cartalas is dumb enough to post an FF about something like that. Besides, it's easy enough for you and your liberal cohorts to PM a mod and point out a bogus FF thread.
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Post by Sinzar »

I voted no. I don't think we should be able to make threads that are only allowed certain responses. If we can post threads of whatever we want, we should be able to reply with the same.

If you truly need to tell people on a messageboard that your mother is dying, etc, then the mods should make a forum for it where the rule is enforced. It worked for Kwon's karate movies :lol:

By the current vote though it seems I'm in the minority!
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Maybe this thread should have been FF LOL

But seriously, I hold a few things to be truth

1. If you donate 50 bucks or nothing the mods here all seem cool enough to treat you equally.
2. If you create some BS thread and slap on FF because you are a cock, the mods here will handle it properly
3. A memorial day ff thread is not a BS thread, there is no reason not to honor the dead who did nothing but fight for their country, without people fighting for their country none of them would exist. Simple fact is that you get rid of your defense system you become part of someone else. If you want to post that all soldiers are killers, then you can post that where it belongs, in the Retards forum.
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Kylere wrote:Maybe this thread should have been FF LOL

But seriously, I hold a few things to be truth

1. If you donate 50 bucks or nothing the mods here all seem cool enough to treat you equally.
2. If you create some BS thread and slap on FF because you are a cock, the mods here will handle it properly
3. A memorial day ff thread is not a BS thread, there is no reason not to honor the dead who did nothing but fight for their country, without people fighting for their country none of them would exist. Simple fact is that you get rid of your defense system you become part of someone else. If you want to post that all soldiers are killers, then you can post that where it belongs, in the Retards forum.



You mean all those soldiers that gave their lives so these morons can have a place to post their views?
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Personally I think it's unfortunate that people feel we need a rule in place to prevent others from acting like assclowns. It's clear enough from the subject of a thread if it's appropriate to flame, and people who flame in thread's like the one about Drustwyn's sister will get called on their stupidity.

But why do we need to have flame free threads on things like Memorial Day? The fact that multiple people found it appropriate to argue in that thread points, in my mind, to the ambiguity in making that flame free in the first place. If it had been a thread about someone's specific relatives, then it would be different. But who is it hurting to flame in a generic Memorial Day thread? It's bordering on hypocritical to be so sensitive about generic threads like that one when the board's members tout their toughness on everything else.
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Post by *~*stragi*~* »

I agree 100 percent with one Winnow posted. If people are too stupid to understand the unwritten word of common decency they should be shot.

I propose that the FF rule be ammended so that any opinion post cannot be labled FF. If someone wants to make a post for people to remember those who died in a war, that thread is for people who want to remember. If you don't want to remember, then stay the fuck out, your not being forced to view the thread. COMMON DECENCY.

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Dregor Thule wrote: Why should some fucking little tag make it ok to suspend someone for expressing their opinion when we don't even police what is being said. It's hypocritcal and goes against this entire community.
You make it sound as if you're incapable of expressing an opinion without flaming.
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I voted yes. I think it has a legitimate purpose but should be very limited.

I also think it is abused but you can usually spot them just by checking out the author. Allow people to request innappropriate FF threads have the FF removed and punish the assclowns that abuse it.
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Mak wrote:
Dregor Thule wrote: Why should some fucking little tag make it ok to suspend someone for expressing their opinion when we don't even police what is being said. It's hypocritcal and goes against this entire community.
You make it sound as if you're incapable of expressing an opinion without flaming.
Nope, just that I reserve the right to if I feel like it.
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I'm glad we have **FF**. I used to be scared to post here for fear of being flamed. Now that I know I can discuss real issues without fear of the personal insults... Well let's just say it's a very refreshing feeling! So look forward to many more **FF** posts from me in the future as I delve into the many personal issues that affect me everyday.
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Hmm...interesting debate going on here

Let me start off by saying that yes, what I posted was completely and utterly classless, tasteless and not needed in a sincere post about memorial day

However, I am quite tired of comments that include "I voted yes, that we should get rid of assclowns that ignore the **FF** rule in an FF thread....What Fesuni and Toshira posted was wrong and I'm glad they were banned"

That's great, but guess what you idiots? We were not the only assholes posting flames in that thread - regardless that Tosh started it and I furthered it, a plethera of other people (on BOTH sides) flamed in that thread...and if your pussy of a moderator, the machine, had actually followed his own fucking rules he would have banned the lot of them (which, sorry to say, includes many of you that are whining like little whores about Tosh and I)

I voted yes to FF...I'd love if it were kept in its own forum...but if it isn't, I'll live with it and do my best to adhere to its rules as I have on this board for 2 years now...but those of you who have voted yes and only expected Tosh and I to be punished don't deserve to be voting on jackshit since it's clear you suffer from down syndrome...now do me a favor and stop whining....vote your opinion...and shut the fuck up about it already
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Aranuil wrote:If you'd been paying attention Atokal, you'd have noticed that Dregor and I are on opposite sides of the fence on this issue.

You don't (as yet) appear to have an opinion on this issue, you just wanted to be an idiot. Go back to being retired.
First to my opinion, FF should remain FF on clearly appropriate threads. Such as the Memorial Day thread, or if someone posts something of a tragic personal nature.

If you contravene the FF you should be banned.

Now back to you Aranuil, first I wasn't paying attention to you and Dregor and/or what side of any issue you fall on. I merely stated an opinion on a thread that was NOT marked FF about an individual I hold in very low regard.

Now perhaps you could remain silent for once unless I am addressing you. It seems to me that you poke your skinny neck into my business more often than not and generally to "aid" your weak minded acolytes. /sarcasm off.

Dregor is more than capable of shooting back if he chooses to do so. BTW how do you spell assanine? :roll:
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Fesuni Chopsui wrote:Hmm...interesting debate going on here

Let me start off by saying that yes, what I posted was completely and utterly classless, tasteless and not needed in a sincere post about memorial day

However, I am quite tired of comments that include "I voted yes, that we should get rid of assclowns that ignore the **FF** rule in an FF thread....What Fesuni and Toshira posted was wrong and I'm glad they were banned"

That's great, but guess what you idiots? We were not the only assholes posting flames in that thread - regardless that Tosh started it and I furthered it, a plethera of other people (on BOTH sides) flamed in that thread...and if your pussy of a moderator, the machine, had actually followed his own fucking rules he would have banned the lot of them (which, sorry to say, includes many of you that are whining like little whores about Tosh and I)

I voted yes to FF...I'd love if it were kept in its own forum...but if it isn't, I'll live with it and do my best to adhere to its rules as I have on this board for 2 years now...but those of you who have voted yes and only expected Tosh and I to be punished don't deserve to be voting on jackshit since it's clear you suffer from down syndrome...now do me a favor and stop whining....vote your opinion...and shut the fuck up about it already

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I'm voting "yes". I agree with what the majority of "yes people" have stated:

- that FF should not be applicable for "opinion" threads
- that violations of legitimate FF threads and facetious creation should be treated in the same manner

And yeah I do remember things like the week around 9-11. There is a time and a place for this.
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How about no national issues can be under FF? If an issue really isnt to be flamed, then it shouldnt need the ff tag.
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Sionistic wrote:How about no national issues can be under FF? If an issue really isnt to be flamed, then it shouldnt need the ff tag.
Sionistic that would work except for the fact that we have a group of people that breath through their mouths, and move their lips while reading that post on VV.
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Just create a FF section, that way it's easier for me to ignore...:)
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i say it make another area for FF threads =-) hows that? :-p
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Etasi wrote:...people who flame in thread's like the one about Drustwyn's sister will get called on their stupidity.

But why do we need to have flame free threads on things like Memorial Day? The fact that multiple people found it appropriate to argue in that thread points, in my mind, to the ambiguity in making that flame free in the first place. If it had been a thread about someone's specific relatives, then it would be different. But who is it hurting to flame in a generic Memorial Day thread? It's bordering on hypocritical to be so sensitive about generic threads like that one when the board's members tout their toughness on everything else.
The thread was about Memorial Day in general which is in honor of those who gave their lives in service to our country. Drustwyn's sister is suffering from something that has/will change her life forever. I personally spent time to honor 2 great-uncles and my grandfather who all served actively. 2 in Europe and the other in the Pacific. I also have 2 brothers in Iraq now. The fact that someone based their responses solely on what is going on now in the Middle East not only shows disrespect, but it shows their ignorance. The holiday is not necessarily for the living, it's for those who have passed.

This is why the responses crossed the line in that thread. The fact that it wasn't because it wasn't written in a "I lost so-and-so" manner that should not have made it open to flames when someone obviously wanted to honor those who passed in service to their country.
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I did not read this entire thread, nor do I care to. I haven't been reading VV as much lately as I would like to because my RL is a bit too hectic. So after a few weeks of not being here I come back to find this retarded bullshit... people are getting banned on VV?

The truth is that this vote goes to show what spineless, thin-skinned, cowards most of you are. Voting to censor people in an environment that was established purely because we were being censored before coming here is a bit naive IMO. You don't want to be flamed about your sister? DON'T POST IT HERE. It's really that simple, but you fucktards demand retribution from those in control because your tiny primitive minds cannot "accept" the words you read. That is truly sad.

The problem is that you people are trying to establish rules of etiquette in a forum where such a thing is usually laughed at and spit on. I refer you to this thread.

I'm going to post what the fuck I want where the fuck I want and if you can't handle what I have to say then go ahead and ban me. No skin off my back. Just proves how weak and decrepit you are to have to resort to such a measure.
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voted no because i know people are gonna tag the *FF* on thread that involve world politics in some indirect manner, and politics wont ever be a non flame material.

i would never violate the rule if it were for something personal.
but BS threads about honoring soldiers that died in combat or in an accident while driving in a foreign country is not something i'll shut up about, i wont flame per se, but i'll speak my mind and post my oppinion of war and how some (mostly you americans) feel about it beeing a ticked to heriosm. Wars are nothing more then accidents caused by electing the wrong fucking person to be in charge of legions of men and women with weapons(of mass destruction). But since the armies of the world wont go away, i'll honor those men and women that intelligently made a decision about trying to save another person or persons lives, whilst putting their own at risk.
a man that runs into a building on fire, after having made an intelligent pro/con check and rescues an old lady = hero no matter if he makes it or not.
a man that walks into swamped traffic to save a person in the middle of the street without thinking and they both get killed cuz there was no way it wasn't gonna happen = fucking idiot.
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I really feel bad for people who just do not GET IT, like the two comments above mine.
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You are right. I just don't get why someone would be banned for having a political opinion in a politically charged thread in a place called... hmmm... FLAMEVAULT.
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No one is being banned for political opinions. They are being banned for being tards. 30 percent of you are tards!
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Thread - U.S. govermeant doing everything antihuman *ff*

u.s. govermeant has been notorious in killing innocent lives with their bombing from afar. nagasaki/hiroshima. afghanistan , iraq.

let us pay our respects to the thousands upon thousands of lives the u.s. goverment has taken in the name of money power and their own "way of life"

/salute the innocents.


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i dont get it .. maybe so
but i at least state my case, and dont just say "you know nothing" and then walk away
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Rasspotari + Xyun...if FF threads were kept in their own forum, away from all other forums, would that quell your urge to comment in them or no?

Personally, I'm torn - while I support continuing to have FF threads, I also feel that allowing them to be posted in all forums is just a big invitation for political and/or random flame fests (which defeats the purpose of FF completely)
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The FF tag doesn't work as a deterrent to flaming. This has been proven in FF threads about a myriad of subjects, ambiguous (Memorial Day) or not. So what's the point of having the FF tag? I don't understand what FF's proponents think it accomplishes aside from allowing them to call for vengeance bans on people who hurt their feelings.

You can't force people to act with decency by making a rule about it. And if you suspend/ban them for flaming on an FF thread, either they're not going to care since they were idiots enough to flame where it clearly wasn't warranted (Drustwyn's thread) or they'll be glad to act as martyrs if they feel what they did wasn't indecent in the first place (flaming in Memorial Day thread). Why not just flame the hell out of them in retalliation? Temp bans don't do anything and perma bans would be stupid unless the person is an obvious troll, but those people wind up banned anyway.
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Post by Kilmoll the Sexy »

It is pretty fucking simple to not start shit in a FF thread. If you feel the absolute burning need to start ripping into someone because of what they have in a FF thread, then you can start your own thread and do it there so everyone else doesn't have to bother reading your retarded bullshit.

If Toshira had not been a worthless piece of semen drippings, there would have been no other flaming in the Memorial day thread....and much happiness would have ensued. If you feel that burning need to be a prick, start your own fucking thread outside the FF one and flame away. At least when we see your name on the topic, we don't have to waste precious minutes of our lives gagging on your rhetoric.
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Post by *~*stragi*~* »

Yes lets make 300 more fucking forums for every little thing you don't like. Don't be retarded and there isn't even a problem.
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Post by Fesuni Chopsui »

Stragi wrote:Yes lets make 300 more fucking forums for every little thing you don't like. Don't be retarded and there isn't even a problem.
Strange...I don't remember asking for 300 forums for every little thing I don't like...

What I do remember suggesting to the crowd at large about a problem that affects everyone is to create, omg get this, one! forum for something at the very least 30% of this board doesn't care for

It is rather unfortunate that a large portion of people on these boards cannot act decently for more than 5 minutes...but that is rather irrelevant considering the reason these boards were ever created...there are two sides to the coin: you're retarded if you flame someone in an FF thread, but frankly at the same time you're just as fucking stupid if you think starting an FF thread about a political situation, concern, or opinion is a good idea
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*FF* in itself should mean nothing, "all republicans eat babys" is a good example 8)

Im sure everything would be cool if admins used common sence to apply temporary bans when someone is speaking out of line

example: "my mother has heart desease, we are in need of finantial aid in order to pay for her surgery, if anyone is willing to make a small contribution that would be wonderful"

"haha lol lmao your mothers a stupid fat bitch whos a N00b and sucks @ life hehe lol ownedZOR!!"
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Post by Kylere »

Many of you are dumbasses, because the best thing you can do with a thread you disagree with is NOT post. Posts no one post in disappear.
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