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So, what does everyone think of the name? I'm not sold on it as the "Series" part makes it sound like a line of consoles and not a specific one. Microsoft really likes the letter X! If they do a refresh what will it be called, Series X-X? What will the next generation, if there is one, be called? Series Y? It would have been good if they had just gone with the generation number like PlayStation but then it would be Xbox 4 and that would look inferior on the shelf next to a PlayStation 5 to the average consumer.

I am also not sold on the tower design. I know it can be laid on its side but it seems like it would still be too tall. Hard to tell though with only the controller there for scale. At least it looks better than the VCR design of the original XBO.

Speaking of the controller, they 'borrowed' the Share button from the Dualshock 4.



(And Winnow, let's try and keep the lame shit out of these threads for the next gen consoles. If you love Microsoft/Xbox, great. No need to go shitting on stuff other people like just because you don't like Sony. Be the change you want to see!)
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Indifferent to the name. X-Box hasn't had a good console name except for the original X-Box.

I'm OK with the cube tower look. I didn't think I'd like a cube PC case until I owned one. I'm sure Sony's console won't look as rediculous as the engineering ones but if it does, I much prefer a simple cube look. I could see the younger crowd wanting something more flashy though. Gamers have grown up though. We were at the forefront but now plenty of gamers in their 40's+ and might want their console to fit in better with their living rooms. 30-50 year old gamers have more money to spend than their kids. There's always Nintendo consoles for the kiddies.

Disappointed it still has a Blu-Ray drive but I guess some people still lack bandwidth. As long as it's well built (Microsoft has come a long way the past few years) and has great cooling, I'm good.
The Xbox Series X will include a custom-designed CPU based on AMD’s Zen 2 and Radeon RDNA architecture. Microsoft is also using an NVMe SSD on Xbox Series X, which promises to boost load times. Xbox Series X will also support 8K gaming, frame rates of up to 120 fps in games, ray tracing, and variable refresh rate support.
Seems similar to Playstation 5 specs. Not sure why Sony has put so much emphasis on NVMe SSD as a selling point since X-Box will have the same thing. I'm also curious how both Sony and Microsoft are claiming 8K gaming capability when even the most expensive PCs struggle with that. I'll be happy with solid 4K FPS numbers.
Microsoft’s Xbox Series X console will also include Auto Low Latency Mode (ALLM) and Dynamic Latency Input (DLI) that will “make Xbox Series X the most responsive console ever.” Spencer says the Series X is “designed for a future in the cloud,” and it will combine hardware and software to “make it as easy as possible to bring great games to both console and elsewhere.”
This part is interesting. I think both Sony and Microsoft will have acceptable graphics capability. Latency/Cloud streaming will take over, much as digital downloads took over this generation over time so if this isn't just shop speak, and offers some sort of improvement over what Sony has it could be interesting...but Sony is using Microsoft's cloud servers so I don't think Microsoft would want to make itself look bad so Sony will probably have something similar.

I'd say the big battle will be between Microsoft Studio's Day One $5/month streaming/download games vs Sony's full priced exclusives. Ultimately, you'll be able to stream to anything so the best streaming services will end up playing a big part in how things go down the road a bit.

Happy the controller remains the same basic design. X-Box originated when 3D games were already a thing so it has not needed to change it's design layout.

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Nothing sticks out to me as bad about the console, but I've already decided I'm not buying an Xbox next gen. They do suck at naming though - they really should have just stuck with Xbox 1, 2, etc. There is a lot I don't like about their UI design, and they don't have enough games that interest me to pull me away from Playstation.
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The main thing I don't like about Spencer is his comments about the next generation Xbox being the most powerful, responsive, etc console. If solely talking about previous Xbox consoles then sure but unless he was inside knowledge I don't see how he knows the PS5 specs. But then again I'm sure devs talk so it's probably not like the specs for each are an industry secret at this point.

Which is why I find The Show going multiplatform interesting. Does Sony San Diego, a first party Sony studio, have a Series X dev kit? Will they be getting one? You can't make a game without a dev kit! But MS has Mojang, which supports PlayStation so it works both way. Speaking of Minecraft I wonder if it will be released for the PS5. The reason it's on the other PS consoles now is because it was there before MS bought Mojang. I could see MS ending support with the PS4 version.

As far as aesthetics go I don't hate it but I'd have to see it in person. While a cube may be fine for a PC, which sits out of the way under a desk for the most part, I definitely don't like the tower design aspect for a console but if it can be laid on the side and not take much room (height-wise) I'm ok with it. The green light on the top is pretty subdued but I am ok with that too. I know some hate the PS4's line light on the console but it does allow you to quickly look and see the status of the console especially if the TV input is something else.

It would have been dumb for them not to have a Blu-Ray drive on there. If you don't want one my advice is to not buy it day one because I'm sure they will release a SAD version of SX like they did for XBO. And that's assuming there won't be one of those available day one. It wouldn't surprise me if there was at least two SKUs available out of the gate especially if that allows them to drop the price for one of them by $50-100. $100 might be a bit of a stretch though as surely those drives don't add $100 to manufacturing.

Game Pass is a good service but it's not how I buy or consume games. If Sony puts in place a similar service I don't see myself subscribing to it. I'm aware I may be in the minority with that. I am just old fashioned I guess. If money was tight I could see myself considering it more though: Wait until Xbox gets a bunch of games, buy 1-2 months of Game Pass on PC and finish them all, wait 6 months, repeat.

Having said all that am I considering buying one? No. As with the XBO there is no reason to as I have a decent gaming PC if I chose to use it for that purpose. And you can get all the Xbox exclusives on PC so there is no reason for me to invest in the console hardware itself. That's not to say it's bad (other than the UI which I am saying is bad) but just that for my uses owning an Xbox console is unnecessary.
Funkmasterr wrote:I've already decided I'm not buying an Xbox next gen. They do suck at naming though - they really should have just stuck with Xbox 1, 2, etc.
That would have been nice! But the problem is that they were a generation 'behind' PlayStation (not techwise but meaning they started in the hardware business later) and from a marketing perspective it's not a good look for them having Xbox 2 next to a PlayStation 3 (yeah yeah 360 came out first but you get the idea). To the average consumer it looks like the older hardware. You can't look like the old inferior product on a store shelf.
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Aslanna wrote:The main thing I don't like about Spencer is his comments about the next generation Xbox being the most powerful, responsive, etc console. If solely talking about previous Xbox consoles then sure but unless he was inside knowledge I don't see how he knows the PS5 specs. But then again I'm sure devs talk so it's probably not like the specs for each are an industry secret at this point.
Series X very well may be the most powerful console between it and the PS5. If Microsoft is going for a high end/low end strategy, the Series X may be more powerful but may also cost more than the PS5 while also having a Series S with lessor specs and a cheaper price.

No idea though. From the general announcements with no specifics, it appears the two consoles will be close in power. If PS5 ends up somehow cheaper and more powerful than the Series X, it would be pretty bad for Microsoft.

I see something like this:

Most expensive and powerful: Series X
PS5
Least expensive and least powerful: Series S

The reason I think the Series X may be more powerful is that Microsoft has been focusing on "Apple-like" expensive products in their PC line. They also offer the expensive X-Box-Elite Controllers that are great but really expensive. Microsoft may offer best but expensive console, fully expecting most people to buy the "S" series.

New games are easily scalable in graphics quality so it's easy to have several levels of performance consoles.

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During The Game Awards 2019, Microsoft unveiled the next generation of Xbox: the Xbox Series X. Or that’s what we and everyone else thought it was called. However, Business Insider recently spoke to a Microsoft representative who confirmed the next generation’s name is simple. Xbox. Series X is the name of the model coming next year.
That was my thought! But yeah...Microsoft is bad at naming things. Why is it that complicated?
Aslanna wrote:So, what does everyone think of the name? I'm not sold on it as the "Series" part makes it sound like a line of consoles and not a specific one
I guess that means I'm not a crazy person.
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Thought of another reason Microsoft's Game Pass may gain users.

For $5/month parents can be sure their kids get Day One release games as well as a ton of other good games, so they can buy the X-Box and then only worry about a $5/month fee for their kids to be entertained.

I think the key here is day one AAA releases. Sony can't compete with that. It's a great deal for parents that don't want to shell out $60 for a new game their kids may lose interest in quickly.

Microsoft Studios has built a solid foundation of game developers and I'm sure they'll add to it. It will be interesting to see what Sony does. They can stream games, but unless they release their AAA games same day to their streaming service like Microsoft does, I think it will be a clear disadvantage.

I like Microsoft's strategy so far:

-Sell highest end console for a lot of money
-Offer Cheaper console
-Game Pass Day One releases along with solid lineup of games

Sony is selling some paddle gizmo for $30. Maybe an indication that PS5 will have paddles like the X-Box Elite controller has. $30 kind of spendy for an attachment.

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I don't know, I'm not basing this on any actual numbers I've seen, but I think the potential of Game Pass-like services is being grossly overstated (not just by you). I would posit a couple of things:

1 - Game Pass itself isn't going to move any significant number of consoles. The majority of people that will subscribe to a Game Pass type service would already have bought a console.

2 - I see game pass mostly as a vehicle Microsoft is using to make up ground on Sony. I can't imagine that they're making a net profit off of most people using the service. The annual cost for it is about the price of 2-3 games, and I'd argue very few people that care to own a console buy that few games per year.

3 - Microsoft is able to do this because they can throw more money at solving a problem, even if they don't get a short term return on that investment. However - Sony also has a lot more to potentially lose from offering first party titles on a subscription service. For one, they have considerably more first party titles that sell well. Second, they have a much higher install base worldwide, and honestly nothing Microsoft can or will ever do is going to change this.

I imagine MS is subsidizing some of the money the devs aren't making from direct sales due to games being on Game Pass. This just isn't realistic for Sony. Considering how many games the average gamer likely buys in a year, they'd either have to charge so much for their service that they'd price out the target demographic, or they would end up running a bunch of devs out of business because they wouldn't be able to subsidize that much of their lost profits for any extended period of time.

Also, how long is it before publishers start doing the same thing that is happening with streaming video right now, and every one of them wants their own service (like EA Access)? The likelihood of this seems pretty high, and instead of only paying for one or two of them that make the most games they want like happens with video - I think this would drive people back away from the subscription model to buying more of their games outright.

At any rate a subscription model doesn't interest me, but it will be interesting to see how this plays out over the next generation.
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Funkmasterr wrote: 1 - Game Pass itself isn't going to move any significant number of consoles. The majority of people that will subscribe to a Game Pass type service would already have bought a console.
I can see Microsoft throwing in a year of Game Pass in with their high end console (or maybe all their consoles)

I don't think you're giving Game Pass enough credit for other demographics. Even for me, I can afford to buy $60 games, but no commitment subscription model really appeals to me. I played Outer Worlds and the Latest Gears of War and then cancelled my subscription. If/when i feel like playing them again, I'll pay $5 and play them for another month. You don't lose your stats/achievements. At some point it will be worth if for me to just keep the sub at $5/month but even if I don't, it costs me $5 to play any day one release for 30 days. Microsoft made it extremely easy to purchase/cancel Game Pass, you can cancel it right after buying it if you want and still have your 30 days.

I think it's fantastic for anyone, but especially for parent's paying for their kids games, casual gamers, and poor people.

Still think day one AAA games is the key thing that makes it great. You're not getting "old stuff". And Microsoft has demonstrated they're serious about acquiring game developers.

As you said, it will be interesting to see how this plays out. I think Game Pass is a huge deal as it stands.


edit: keep in mind, you can use Game Pass on your PC. I don't think Microsoft cares where their users are playing their games. I think that's important to take note of. You don't need to buy an X-Box to use Game Pass for Microsoft's latest games. Strong indicator that these subscriptions, not consoles are the long term goal. What will really be interesting is if/when Microsoft (and Sony) add streaming gaming to the Game Pass. You won't even need to waste huge bandwidth downloading AAA titles anymore. (although the streaming itself will take bandwidth so downloading some games would make sense after you try them out via streaming)

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Looking at it objectively if I was someone who did not own a console and was looking to buy one I'd probably consider Xbox due to Game Pass. But for me personally I'm not interested in the subscription model as I like to 'own' my software. Perhaps people like me are now the minority but I'm ok with that!

And unless you want to get in on day one there's no reason you need to be paying $60 for games. Most of them are discounted 50% within a few months. Patience! Not to mention not all games are on GP Day One. Want to play Jedi Fallen Order now? Be prepared to pay $60. Although I think I saw it for $50 but you get the idea.

I have zero interest in streaming games. I would much rather download a game and play it locally and remove all issues that streaming games brings with it (latency, bandwidth usage, network issues, etc). Unless you travel a lot what is the benefit of streaming a game over downloading it? Other than the initial install but that's a one time thing that seldom bothers me so I can live with that trade off.
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Aslanna wrote:Looking at it objectively if I was someone who did not own a console and was looking to buy one I'd probably consider Xbox due to Game Pass. But for me personally I'm not interested in the subscription model as I like to 'own' my software. Perhaps people like me are now the minority but I'm ok with that!
I think you are in the minority with that. The trend is very clear for the majority.

Music CDs...now stream.
Movies VHS/DVD/Blu Ray...now stream.
Books...now ebooks or audiobooks.(these small enough so no need to stream for the most part)

For me, I used to buy comic books but digital versions are so much better. For some reason, I kept all the EverQuest stuff, my beta CD, EQ, and all the expansions, etc. Each time I'm on a cleaning spree, I save that.

The internet changed things for me. As a kid, I had comics, rows of paperback novels, coin collections, records/cassettes, etc. Now, I'm only interested in unique things. For example, I bought a meteorite. I find it very cool to own something that came from outside of the Earth.

I'm also finding living in an uncluttered environment nice!

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I buy digitally but streaming also doesn't interest me. Avoiding game downloads isn't even a concern for me as I have about 250 up/down speeds. I'm also becoming a lot less trusting of the internet - I don't use any social media, I don't really use cell phone apps, I have my phone pretty locked down, I stopped shopping online almost entirely, I'm going to move all my email over to Proton or Tutanota, etc etc. Last thing I want is another streaming service :)

And really honestly - what benefit would I get from streaming over the 10 minute download most games are for me? Only thing I've really seen is Stadia's features where it integrates Youtube/social media into gaming, which I have less than zero interest in.
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Funkmasterr wrote:I buy digitally but streaming also doesn't interest me. Avoiding game downloads isn't even a concern for me as I have about 250 up/down speeds. I'm also becoming a lot less trusting of the internet - I don't use any social media, I don't really use cell phone apps, I have my phone pretty locked down, I stopped shopping online almost entirely, I'm going to move all my email over to Proton or Tutanota, etc etc. Last thing I want is another streaming service :)
I agree with some of your points. I hate using gmail. I don't use social media, No facebook (no real accounts, false info used for gaming profiles when facebook only way to sign up), no twitter, no instagram.

I'll use guerilla mail

https://www.guerrillamail.com/

when I need a temp email account to sign into a forum, etc.

Protonmail is good if need account that requires more than just the initial email verification that you can already do through guerilla mail and are using cryptocurrency payments etc that doesn't have your identity attached to it. (buying in-game currency from a russian game for example...no way I use pay pal or anything else for that)

Not sure why you are worried about online purchasing though. Amazon is amazing. Way more convenient. I bought a gift on Monday at 8am, it arrived at my doorstep at 11am. 3 hours, "free prime" delivery. I'm not worried about my information being stolen from an amazon hack, if it is, it is. Just make sure you use alternate emails for anything on the internet that isn't your bank or one of the few trustworthy stores (Amazon for example)

Of course don't use same password for anything. My password on VV isn't used anywhere else.

Use a VPN. I've used one for past 5-6 years. Easy to turn off/on depending on what you're doing. For example, when banking, paying utilities, etc, I turn it off. Interestingly, I can't get VPN to work in China. They have a great firewall. I have to unblock my IP to access a site there.

Also, update your router if you have an old one (2+ years old) lots of easy hack vulnerabilities. Wi-Fi 6 (802.11ax) coming down in price.

Summary: I agree with limiting your exposure on the internet as much as possible but you can still fully use the internet if you take precautions.

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Yeah, I need to get a new router. My online shopping is less about security and more about not wanting to contribute to Amazon running other vendors out of business, and not wanting to give them more info on me (shopping habits, etc). I shop at Whole Foods, and even when I did still have Prime I didn't use it because Amazon doesn't need to know everything about what I buy/eat/etc.

I shop at local places, smaller shops if I can depending on what I need. I get toiletry stuff at Target, but it's the same deal there - I don't buy their brand or anything they distribute because I'm not trying to help them put more small vendors out of business so that they can compete with Amazon. I live in the city, and have almost anything I need within a couple of miles or closer. I also work from home and have gotten really tired of how isolated I am, so going out to do my shopping is actually therapeutic in a sense.

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Funkmasterr wrote:Yeah, I need to get a new router. My online shopping is less about security and more about not wanting to contribute to Amazon running other vendors out of business, and not wanting to give them more info on me (shopping habits, etc). I shop at Whole Foods, and even when I did still have Prime I didn't use it because Amazon doesn't need to know everything about what I buy/eat/etc.

I shop at local places, smaller shops if I can depending on what I need. I get toiletry stuff at Target, but it's the same deal there - I don't buy their brand or anything they distribute because I'm not trying to help them put more small vendors out of business so that they can compete with Amazon. I live in the city, and have almost anything I need within a couple of miles or closer. I also work from home and have gotten really tired of how isolated I am, so going out to do my shopping is actually therapeutic in a sense.

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I think at some point you need to accept that change is inevitable. Go back in time to all the mom and pop shops, restaurants and gas stations that were put out of business by the interstate highways. You could exit the highway and backtrack miles to get to their stores but at some point, the convenience of the highways, saving you hours/days trumps helping out the stores on the old roads.

Malls also hurt mom and pop stores, and then Wal-Mart hurt the malls, and now Amazon (well Wal-Mart is offering free delivery etc now as well).

I used to love going to libraries. I loved going to comic book stores. Those are almost all out of business now (the comic stores).

I respectfully disagree with the need to help out mom and pop stores. It's my same philosophy with the US Postal Service. I hate it. I hate the junk mail i receive that I can't stop simply there to keep an outdated service in business. I understand and feel for mom and pop shop owners and old post workers but they do need to adjust to the times.

All that said, it's perfectly fine to take your approach to how you purchase things. Your loyalty to them is selfless but I think it is just temporarily extending their eventual demise. One negative thing about Amazon, (and others, blame isn't solely on them) is that people feel entitled to return everything. Back in the day, with mom and pop shops, you didn't return things on a whim as that same mom and pop store had a harder time dealing with returns/loss.

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With Amazon in particular, it's also more than just them simply running smaller vendors out of business. They treat their workers like trash (they have a big distribution center near me where there are regularly strikes), to the point that I don't even know how sustainable their carrier network is; the way it is set up and the way they treat people it seems like it could fall out from under them at any time.

It's also a matter of us as a people being so fucking lazy that we're letting companies like Amazon get a scary amount of control over almost every aspect of our lives, not to mention the creepy amount of detail that these companies know about the average person. If things keep going in this direction, dystopian sci-fi stories about corporations taking power away from the government and things going to complete shit as a result aren't going to be so far fetched anymore.

I'm not out in the streets at every rally about every perceived injustice, but I'm also not okay with the idea of just standing by and letting shit unravel. The government is generally not looking out for us, and corporations sure as fuck aren't, so any potential change is going to have to start from people.

I have gotten pretty comfortable being uncomfortable/inconvenienced - thanks to visiting other countries, long back country trips, and a lot of self reflection to work through my issues, and this has helped me to realize that everything can't be about me and my convenience, it isn't sustainable on the scale we're currently seeing. I strongly believe that people in this country are going to have to come to terms with that reality.
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Winnow is pro-Amazon. Who would have guessed?

Why, because you can get things delivered fast? Seems like a bad reason. Amazon is truly a terrible company and I visit them as infrequently as I can. And honestly the prices aren't even that competitive on products.

Anyone who supports Amazon obviously hasn't put time into seeing what sort of company they are. But hey... You can get shit delivered in 3 hours so it's all good!

"Change is inevitable".. Welcome your corporate overlords!

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Funkmasterr wrote:

I have gotten pretty comfortable being uncomfortable/inconvenienced - thanks to visiting other countries, long back country trips, and a lot of self reflection to work through my issues, and this has helped me to realize that everything can't be about me and my convenience, it isn't sustainable on the scale we're currently seeing. I strongly believe that people in this country are going to have to come to terms with that reality.
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Interesting. My time in foreign countries (about 6-7 years of my life) makes me appreciate the conveniences of Amazon. living in Sardinia drove me nuts. Backwards ass people, took forever to get anything done. In the 70's I loved going to 7/11's in California and also McDonalds when we visited L.A. area while living in a smaller California town with less convenience stores. I hate red tape, hate lines.

Convenience is super important to me. I like assigned seats at movie theaters. I like being able to order my tickets online before going to the movie. Unless I'm specifically sightseeing, I want the most direct route from point A to Point B.

That's a lifestyle choice. I have no issue with people that enjoy seeking out things that take time. Amazon is amazing. I'll be bummed if their service declines. I'd much rather have two or three Amazon type mega stores. That way you have a choice!

As for the planet. I drive a Prius! but not for the environment, because it gets ridiculous MPG and is a very reliable car.

Can get back on topic now. It was an interesting off topic discussion though.

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