The Official PS4 thread!

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » January 9, 2014, 4:30 pm

Winnow wrote:
Fairweather Pure wrote:Just get a D4 dock. They're like, $25. Sheesh.
That's just more crap to have laying around and plugged in somewhere! I've got one centralized place with a small wall recharger for 4 AA batteries. Whenever any AA batteries die I just swap them out and am on my way.

A cable and controller hanging off the front of your fancy new console or a totally separate charging station with separate power needs is not the answer.

eneloop. get them and be happy for many years. I've been using the same ones for around 6+ years. Well worth it. Today's eneloops are even better than the one's I have.

A dock is less clutter than enloops and can even be cheaper if waiting for a sale.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 9, 2014, 5:14 pm

Fairweather Pure wrote:
A dock is less clutter than enloops and can even be cheaper if waiting for a sale.

um no. A dock services one thing. eneloops (AA batteries) can supply power to a bazillion things you own.

It's possible you have some sort of multi plug-n dock but it's still an annoyance compared to rarely swapping out rechargeable batteries.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » January 9, 2014, 7:08 pm

Winnow wrote:
Fairweather Pure wrote:
A dock is less clutter than enloops and can even be cheaper if waiting for a sale.
um no. A dock services one thing. eneloops (AA batteries) can supply power to a bazillion things you own.

It's possible you have some sort of multi plug-n dock but it's still an annoyance compared to rarely swapping out rechargeable batteries.

I have 4 360 and 4 PS3 controllers with 4 people in the house using them. I have grown sick of having to manually swap 360 batteries all the time, in the middle of play. I don't like wondering how much longer the batteries will last. I have had the extreme displeasure of having one of the 360 controllers go dead just as my family was sitting down to play a 4 player game and I didn't have any AA batteries left in the house. It sucks. That situation would never happen with Sony controllers. I play then drop them in the dock. They're always charged and ready to play every single time. There's no messing with them at all. I prefer that method for my controllers and I'm dumbfounded that anyone would try and argue "pro-batteries" in today's world. Do you want battries for your mobile phone, tablet, laptop, or any other electronic device with the alternative of a charger?!? No one would.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » January 9, 2014, 7:17 pm

Are you seriously debating batteries with Winnow? Just say no.

In five weeks, the PlayStation 4 sold 530,000 units in the UK according to the Entertainment Retailers Association (using Chart-Track data), while the Xbox One has sold 364,000 units in six weeks. Historically, the UK has mostly mirrored the US with console sales, with the Xbox 360 taking the lead last generation.

It doesn't seem like that free FIFA MS threw in over there helped all that much. Even with a week headstart Sony beat MS. It looks like the 'historical' trends might have had a shake up!

Dakanaf · Post by **Dakanaf** » January 9, 2014, 7:18 pm

Is it really that hard to understand that people live different lives and what works and is optimal for one is not necessarily the same for someone else? That's why we have choices as consumers.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » January 9, 2014, 7:57 pm

Dakanaf wrote:Is it really that hard to understand that people live different lives and what works and is optimal for one is not necessarily the same for someone else? That's why we have choices as consumers.

I hope you aren't seriously defending winnow's right to be a trolling douchebag. I'd hate to have to hold you in lower esteem than him.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 9, 2014, 8:14 pm

Fairweather Pure wrote:
Winnow wrote:
Fairweather Pure wrote:
A dock is less clutter than enloops and can even be cheaper if waiting for a sale.
um no. A dock services one thing. eneloops (AA batteries) can supply power to a bazillion things you own.

It's possible you have some sort of multi plug-n dock but it's still an annoyance compared to rarely swapping out rechargeable batteries.
I have grown sick of having to manually swap 360 batteries all the time, in the middle of play. I don't like wondering how much longer the batteries will last. I have had the extreme displeasure of having one of the 360 controllers go dead just as my family was sitting down to play a 4 player game and I didn't have any AA batteries left in the house. It sucks.

Maybe someone besides you could change the batteries once in awhile. If you have that many controllers you should have probably 4-6 pair of eneloops charging as it seems no one changes batteries except you.

The Xbox One controller lasts a lot longer than the 360 controller on a single pair of AAs. PS4 controller seems to die faster than the PS3 and has a useless TV reflecting glowing light sucking up needless power. Lets see...swap batteries in 2 seconds once a month or deal with wires and dead controllers daily...hmmm

Eneloop: 7 cents a recharge. Can recharge thousands of times. They hold their charge for years if unused (would be great for controllers like the Wii that no one ever uses except once a year when relatives are over too look foolish playing a bowling game). If you're actually buying non rechargeable batteries for your 360 controllers than you've wasted a ton of money over the last 5+ years.

Way the fuck better than dealing with wires and dedicated chargers. I'll tell you what I hate is playing the PS4 and the controller runs out of juice and then having to play it attached to a 3 fucking foot cord because you can't swap out batteries in 2 seconds on it and the lame ass controller can't even last a full day of binge playing. Retarded design.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » January 9, 2014, 8:27 pm

Winnow wrote:I'll tell you what I hate is playing the PS4 and the controller runs out of juice and then having to play it attached to a 3 fucking foot cord because you can't swap out batteries in 2 seconds on it and the lame ass controller can't even last a full day of binge playing.

Problem solved.

Have a good day.

Dakanaf · Post by **Dakanaf** » January 9, 2014, 9:19 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:
Dakanaf wrote:Is it really that hard to understand that people live different lives and what works and is optimal for one is not necessarily the same for someone else? That's why we have choices as consumers.
I hope you aren't seriously defending winnow's right to be a trolling douchebag. I'd hate to have to hold you in lower esteem than him.

Not sure where you got that from. If anything I'm telling Winnow to stfu about his eneloop already. Even though I use eneloop for my 360 and other aa battery needs.

I'm dumbfounded that anyone would try and argue "pro-batteries" in today's world.

The point is eneloop batteries won't work for Fairweather's situation, but it works perfectly for Winnow's. Arguing about which is better is arbitrary and pointless

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » January 9, 2014, 9:44 pm

Dakanaf wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:
Dakanaf wrote:Is it really that hard to understand that people live different lives and what works and is optimal for one is not necessarily the same for someone else? That's why we have choices as consumers.
I hope you aren't seriously defending winnow's right to be a trolling douchebag. I'd hate to have to hold you in lower esteem than him.
Not sure where you got that from. If anything I'm telling Winnow to stfu about his eneloop already. Even though I use eneloop for my 360 and other aa battery needs.

I'm dumbfounded that anyone would try and argue "pro-batteries" in today's world.

The point is eneloop batteries won't work for Fairweather's situation, but it works perfectly for Winnow's. Arguing about which is better is arbitrary and pointless

Sorry, I just never assume anyone would waste the time to have a genuine conversation/argument with him, so I figured it was the lithe way around.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 9, 2014, 10:30 pm

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Oh man, they have a 2nd Gen Glitter edition eneloop pack! You really have no excuse not to get them now. The rare time you need to swap out batteries, you'll WOW your friends by pulling out some glittered up AAs. "Nothing comes between my controller and her glittered up eneloops"

For all of you midwest people that live in constant sub zero temps (Canadians listen up!) Check out point 8. I think the same people that translated the "All your base" game translated this note card.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » January 9, 2014, 10:36 pm

Block Image... is the best option Adblock Plus has.

Seriously.. Nobody engage on the topic of batteries or non-batteries. Let's get this thread back on track!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 10, 2014, 12:11 am

Aslanna wrote:Block Image... is the best option Adblock Plus has.

Seriously.. Nobody engage on the topic of batteries or non-batteries. Let's get this thread back on track!

I agree. Love that feature! Spoilered the large image.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » January 14, 2014, 1:33 pm

According to European outlet Next-Gamer the sales numbers for Sony‘s PlayStation 4 and Microsoft‘s Xbox One have been revealed. It appears that PS4 has outsold Xbox One by a wide margin thus far. PS4 launched on November 29th and has since sold an estimated 250,000 units by the end of 2013. On the other side of the coin, Xbox One launched November 22nd, one week earlier than PS4, and has sold 100,000 units.

These figures were derived from market research company Media Control GfK

Not surprising considering the Germans think XBO is a tool of the NSA. Which it probably is!

(Edit: It's not mentioned in the quote but this is for Germany)

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » January 14, 2014, 6:41 pm

Mainland Europe was a strong Sony zone in the last gen as well. Same as Japan. It's unsurprising to see the PS4 do better there again.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » January 23, 2014, 1:04 pm

Weekly Video Game sales

A few observations:

-It's interesting that Call of Duty Ghosts on PS3 has sold almost as many as the 360 version. And the PS4 version has higher total sales than XBO. Don't the xbox versions get like timed exclusive maps and such? And isn't the XBOX Live experience so much better than PSN? At least that's what the xbox people keep parroting. It seems to most people either that isn't the case or they just don't care.

-In general at the present time the PS3/PS4 versions of games seem to outsell the 360/XBO versions.

-Despite what Winnow tried to claim, by providing US numbers more than likely, the PS4 global total software sales are higher by 1.7 million. Which makes sense considering Sony has moved 1.4 more consoles than Microsoft.

- Gloabal software totals for the 360 are ~70 million more than the PS3 so grats to Microsoft on that. It's less than a 10% difference so though so not a huge margin. Assuming my math is correct. Math is hard!

- For the Wii being dead it sure does move a lot of Just Dance copies.

And yeah I'm aware there is controversy with the numbers VGChartz provides at least on the hardware side. No clue where the software numbers come from but I assume it's scientific. Either way take it with a grain of salt for entertainment purposes.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 23, 2014, 1:26 pm

Selling 70 million more units of software with 1.7 million less consoles (worldwide) is significant. These companies make their money on software sales. As with last generation, Microsoft is crushing Sony in that area.

Could be why Sony is bottomed out at 16.77 share.

Sony would kill to get the software per console attachment rate Microsoft gets.

And yes, my numbers were for the U.S. which is what matters. That's why the PS4 isn't even out in Japan yet. We are the whale of countries when it comes to consumption, indicated by the software sales which I'd be interested in seeing attachment rates per country.

Xbox One is looking to be in good shape.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » January 23, 2014, 1:48 pm

Winnow wrote:Selling 70 million more units of software with 1.7 million less consoles (worldwide) is significant. These companies make their money on software sales. As with last generation, Microsoft is crushing Sony in that area.

You're getting a bit confused. MS didn't sell 1.7 less 360s than the PS3. It's 700k (if you believe the VGC numbers). And MS had a year head start!

Anyway I'm sure you'll see that 70 million margin getting smaller since PS3 keeps pumping out exclusives while MS has pretty much abandoned the 360 just like they did with the original Xbox. The PS3 moved more than 300k more software units last week than the 360 did.

And yes, my numbers were for the U.S. which is what matters.

But it's not. A sale is a sale regardless of what country it is. Keep clinging to that though!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 23, 2014, 2:36 pm

Ignore my previous post. I'm a little distracted this morning and need to look at the numbers again. I was looking at PS4/Xbox One not PS4/360.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 29, 2014, 10:25 pm

Indie developer Bloober Team has announced that PlayStation 4-exclusive strategy-action game Basement Crawl will not be released this week as originally planned. This marks the second major delay for Basement Crawl, a game first announced as a PS4 launch release.

More delays. Drive Club... indy games...will anything be released?

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » January 29, 2014, 10:31 pm

Will Winnow ever have an original thought? Stay tuned for the answer!

[Show]: Spoiler Alert: Probably not.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » January 30, 2014, 3:29 pm

Global Weekly Chart - Week Ending 01/18/2014

- Vita outsold the Wii U again. And the 360.

- 3DS still out of control. Who keeps buying these?! PS4 almost beat it that week though. Dang supply issues.

- PS3/PS4 representing! I see 4 Xbox games in the top 20 with only one of those being an XBO game at position 20. I thought Xbox people bought more games and PlayStation people just watched porn?

I am a bit curious on the numbers overall though since Sony said Killzone 4 has sold over 2.1 million as of 15-Jan yet the chart just shows around 1.3 million. ~800,000 is a rather huge gap! Perhaps it doesn't count any that were bundled with the console since I think in Europe they had Killzone 4 bundles maybe? Again.. Just use it for entertainment purposes more than actual cold hard facts.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 30, 2014, 4:02 pm

vgchartz is notorious for giving bad data. Wait for the real numbers.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » January 30, 2014, 4:04 pm

Again.. Just use it for entertainment purposes more than actual cold hard facts.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 30, 2014, 4:18 pm

any service that has a z on the and of the name is suspicious. Even fanbois use an s and not a z!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 31, 2014, 4:33 pm

ALERT! Skip if don't care about stocks!

Back in SNE with 399 shares (symbolic for price of PS4) @ 15.61 share

A good point was made that Playstation Plus subscriber base is increasing rapidly comparible to Netflix and Nexflix' Market Cap is 24 Billion compared to 16 Billion for SNE. With Playstation NOW in the near future, Sony should start being recognized for subscription based services which should would hopefully boost the stock considerably. (counting on Sony's network and Playstation NOW not running into tech issues). Say Playstation NOW cost 7.99 - 12.99 a month for example in a subscription based, all you can eat, model.

I see hope for Sony's stock. I can see it possibly going as low as 15 but I would be surprised if it goes lower than that. I'm not sure how a spinoff scenario of the Entertainment division would affect things as well but most likely positively.

Worst I could so I lose the equivalent of 16 PS4s! I'm determined to have Sony's stock pay for my PS4.

PS Plus Subscriptions Triple Following PS4 Launch

The launch of the PS4 caused the number of PlayStation Plus subscriptions to triple, Sony has announced.

Of course, a lot of that is because it's forced now due to it being required for online play but still good news.

Sony also claims there's no difference in screen quality between the Vita OLED and LED screens:

Sony says difference between PS Vita OLED and LCD is imperceptible

I like their style. They aren't above lying to make some sales!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 12, 2014, 12:33 pm

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Hmm not a bad idea. There might be a market for customized stickers to block out the glowing lights on PS4 controllers. I'd say a minimum half of PS4 owners would use them. Sell them for $1 each....instant multi millionaire!

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » February 12, 2014, 1:37 pm

Considering that would break a lot of the camera functionality, I'm pretty sure almost no one would buy these. But then again, you're just being a cunt anyhow. Douchebag.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 12, 2014, 3:12 pm

I'm being totally serious spitter. What functionality is it breaking? Activate Headache? Screenglare (tm) Feedback feature?

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » February 12, 2014, 3:20 pm

It needs to be shown to the camera to use facial recognition, so I'm guessing it's used for tracking the controller in other motion situations. Not that any of that matters, I have a very large LED TV in a room that is typically bright, and I've not once noticed any glare/reflection from the controller light. The only time I notice it is when I glance down and it's red because the battery is low, which is a nice feature.

But again, you're just being a fucking douche. Because that's what douchebags do, douchey shit. So keep douching, douchey.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » February 12, 2014, 3:21 pm

Winnow wrote:I'm being totally serious spitter. What functionality is it breaking? Activate Headache? Screenglare (tm) Feedback feature?

The camera needs the glowy stuff I guess. No clue as I don't have one. If someone has no desire to ever get the camera than sure tape over the glowy stuff if it's that big of a deal.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » February 12, 2014, 3:24 pm

Aslanna wrote:
Winnow wrote:I'm being totally serious spitter. What functionality is it breaking? Activate Headache? Screenglare (tm) Feedback feature?
The camera needs the glowy stuff I guess. No clue as I don't have one. If someone has no desire to ever get the camera than sure tape over the glowy stuff if it's that big of a deal.

I'm surprised that I've actually been using mine as much as I have. I started using voice commands out of total reflex playing Tomb Raider; I was in a tight situation and before my fingers could switch weapons I said "shotgun" and had my shotgun out. I stand corrected regarding the usefulness of this kind of stuff.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 12, 2014, 3:26 pm

I thought all you PS4 people were up in arms over the kinect. Who uses the camera? ITS WATCHING YOU! (NSA)

Wow, so maybe the Kinect functionality is useful afterall.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » February 12, 2014, 3:30 pm

Winnow wrote:I thoguht all you PS4 people were up in arms over the kinect. Who uses the camera? ITS WATCHING YOU! (NSA)

Wow, so maybe the Kinect functionality is useful afterall.

As I said. I don't own one. So off the bat you're wrong again with the "all you PS4 people".

As far as I know you don't actually need to own a Playstation Camera for the voice command stuff. Just a standard headset works as well.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » February 12, 2014, 3:34 pm

Aslanna wrote:
Winnow wrote:I thoguht all you PS4 people were up in arms over the kinect. Who uses the camera? ITS WATCHING YOU! (NSA)

Wow, so maybe the Kinect functionality is useful afterall.
As I said. I don't own one. So off the bat you're wrong again with the "all you PS4 people".

As far as I know you don't actually need to own a Playstation Camera for the voice command stuff. Just a standard headset works as well.

You are correct, voice commands will work with a headset.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 12, 2014, 3:46 pm

So the bright glowing light is useless unless you have an EYE and even then it's functionality is very limited making it mind boggling why Sony didn't allow the light to be shut off.

And Aslanna, you are correct, I should have said, "most of you PS4s".

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » February 12, 2014, 3:57 pm

Winnow wrote:So the bright glowing light is useless unless you have an EYE and even then it's functionality is very limited making it mind boggling why Sony didn't allow the light to be shut off.

Some games use it. Like Tomb Raider DE. Thief will too!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 12, 2014, 4:08 pm

Aslanna wrote:
Winnow wrote:So the bright glowing light is useless unless you have an EYE and even then it's functionality is very limited making it mind boggling why Sony didn't allow the light to be shut off.
Some games use it. Like Tomb Raider DE. Thief will too!

How will it be used? I hope it doesn't change colors if you're in danger, etc because how would you know unless, of course you're seeing the glaring reflection off of your TV Screen!

No matter how it's used, it would have been simple to program the activation of the bright glowing light if it was needed and to leave it off if not.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » February 12, 2014, 4:20 pm

Make up your mind. Either it's blindingly distracting or you can't see it at all.

The controller's light bar will "reflect the light gem in the in-game UI" during gameplay to reinforce whether the game's protagonist, Garrett, is safely stowed away in the shadows. The bar will brighten as a player leaves cover and darken once they return to the stealth-favoring darkness.

While the glowing strip is employed to offer additional motion tracking in augmented reality demo The Playroom, its most interesting implementation otherwise is the way in which it changes colour to display your health in Killzone: Shadow Fall. Fortunately, the developers on the recently announced Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition have happened upon a more interesting solution.

According to a blog post on the PlayStation 4 port, the title will employ the next-gen peripheral to reflect the effect of Lara Croft’s torch. “The controller lights up red and orange when using the torch, and quick flashes when Lara is shooting,” reads a post on the franchise’s official Tumblr page. “

I assume in a well lit room this will be useless since the way the light is angled you can't really even see it.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 12, 2014, 5:16 pm

The speaker on the PS4 controller is a nice addition and adds to the experience but I believe even that is an option on that freebie shooter spaceship game and can be disabled. The forced glowing light should be able to be turned off. It's mostly used with the "EYE" which is optional so the light being activated or off should be optional.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » February 12, 2014, 7:29 pm

Well it's not so.. Move on!

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » February 13, 2014, 11:06 pm

According to recent sales figures of NPD, PS4 has sold almost twice the amount of units compared to its competitor Xbox One. This news was revealed by Geoff Keighley on Twitter.

per @LuckyLongworth: PS4 was #1 in sales for next gen consoles in January, nearly doubling the nearest next gen competitor.

— Geoff Keighley (@geoffkeighley) February 13, 2014
This news won’t be surprising to many as PS4 faced shortage with supply and lack of hardware during December, due to launch in different markets of the world. Sony had promised more stock for PS4 and this can be seen in the latest sales figure of PS4 in January NPD.

Geoff Keighley also revealed that Tomb Raider on PlayStation 4 outsold the Xbox One version 2:1.

Also, I'm told by Sony that @tombraider on PS4 outsold the Xbox One version 2:1

— Geoff Keighley (@geoffkeighley) February 13, 2014

Grats PS4!

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » February 14, 2014, 9:33 am

New York Times picks a winner in the PS4 vs XBO battle

The suspense is killing me!

[Show]: "The Playstation 4 is the clear winner. It is simple. Its easy to use. Its cheaper than the Xbox One and most importantly it is fun! Isn't that the whole point?"
Indeed!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 14, 2014, 1:22 pm

and most importantly it is fun

what? The Xbox One isn't fun? The "most important" factor sways to the console that actually has some fun exclusives to play.

fact: the only exclusive retail console game running at locked 1080p/60 fps is Forza 5

Chew on that res people!

Want high FPS 1080P 60fps exclusive games? Xbox One is your console!

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » February 14, 2014, 6:31 pm

Guess it's too bad she didn't play Forza 5 then!

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » February 17, 2014, 1:13 am

PS4 ad - Japan

This captures exactly what happens when I turn on my PS4.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » February 17, 2014, 6:08 pm

The PlayStation 4 version of Metal Gear Solid 5: Ground Zeroes will run at a native 1080p resolution at 60 frames per second, Konami's official website confirms, while the Xbox One release will run at 720p at 60fps.

I guess at this point it's bigger news when an XBO title actually runs at 1080p than when it doesn't. All other times you may as well assume you're getting the inferior version than what you'd find on PS4. But hey at least you can control your console by waving at it. Multiple times.

esram ftw! Who needs all that high latency DDR5 memory messing everything up.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 17, 2014, 7:42 pm

Currently the only exclusive game running at 1080P locked 60 fps is Forza 5.

Let me know when that changes!

I'm sure I can find plenty of PS4 people (big petition on EA's site) that want Titanfall and would enjoy it even at less than 1080P. More than the reverse that would want to play the sequel Second Son that PS4 is throwing up against it next month. Online FPS games rule when it comes to the masses and PS4 has nothing to match Titanfall. I'm looking forward more to Second Son but know what sells systems. Sony needs to get heir head out of their ass and use their resources to pump out a AAA FPS game worthy of challenging the Halos, Gears of Wars and Titanfalls. Why not? While the triggers are better on the Xbox One controller for shooters and racing games, this gen's PS controller is decent enough for people to play hardcore FPS multiplayer games without the severe cramping of previous controllers. If I was Sony, I'd make it a priority to develop a game that would fill a hole in it's weakest area while giving gamers less of a reason to choose the competition.

Sony earns my attention by providing more RPG type games on their console but overall, the Xbox One has the better experience. If Titanfall was available on both PS4 and Xbox One with PS4 having a slightly better resolution, I'd buy it on Xbox One because the controller is better. Joysticks, triggers and comfort. D-Pad is just as good but at the same time less useful and in decline as a main entry point in games.

Lets wait and see in a year how the resolution/fps plays out as the PS4 doesn't even have one exclusive 1080P/60FPS game. Is there even one on the Horizon? According to reposts, Second Son doesn't seem to be running at 60FPS. We know Xbox can do it. Perhaps given some time, the third party publishers will figure it out like they eventually did with the PS3. Xbox One can't be harder to work with than PS3's awful SDK/Honeycomb Processor nightmare. Microsoft has the better talent and resources to improve their SDK over time.

I'm glad I own both systems. Competition is good and both systems will have some nice exclusives but even with non exclusives, resolution won't be my ultimate deciding factor.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » February 17, 2014, 9:36 pm

Winnow wrote:Currently the only exclusive game running at 1080P locked 60 fps is Forza 5.

Let me know when that changes!

Resogun has 60fps locked gameplay. Flower, too!

Really not sure how you managed to work in a complaint about controllers but hey... I guess it wouldn't be a Winnow post without one.

Anyway here's some of the upcoming lineup:

Metal Gear Solid 5: Ground Zeroes PS4 - 1080p/60 - Xbox One 720p/60
Diablo III : Reaper of Souls - PS4 - 1080p/60fps - No XBO version announced at this time!
Thief - PS4 1080p - Xbox One 900p
Watch Dogs - PS4 1080p - Xbox One 900p
Witcher 3 - PS4 900p (devs working on 1080!) - Xbox One 720p

Sense a pattern? Looking at that I don't see why anyone would use the XBO other than for console exclusives. For any multi-platform game the choice is simple!

The XBO hardware is simply not as roubust as the direction Sony went with the PS4. It's ok to admit that. It's just a fact. MS seemed to focus on making XBO a media center whereas Sony approached the PS4 as a games console first and it shows. But if someone wants a media focused console over one more focused on games that's OK to! Just don't lie to yourself and deny that MS had to make sacrifices to make that happen. And one of those sacrifices, beyond saddling the poor thing with Windows 8 (not to mention TWO OTHER OPERATING SYSTEMS), was choosing DDR3 memory and the results of that are plainly being demonstrated now.

It's funny how you bashed the Wii for being low resolution but now when XBO is inferior to the competition in that regard you're like.. "Its all about how fun the game is.. OH AND CONTROLLERSi!1!". Isn't that what the Wii people were saying? lolz. Unfortunately in one regard the XBO isn't like the Wii: The demand is a low lower for the XBO that it was for the Wii.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 17, 2014, 10:35 pm

I don't see any PS4 exclusives in that list! Resogun is some freebie game on PN. I'm talking about AAA "boxed" retail games not some little arcade game.

I admit it's a shame the Xbox One doesn't have the same GPU as the PS4. While the console was in development, it would seem obvious to forecast that 1080P/60 FPS would be a solid standard for the life expectancy of this console generation. At the same time, even the PS4 struggles with that standard in a perfect world, both consoles would have waited for a GPU/CPU combo just slightly more powerful that the ones they ended up with. 1080P/60FPS should have been a no brainer for all games this gen.

I predict this generation will be shorter, like maybe 4 years and then we'll be talking more about which console has the best support for Oculus Rift type virtual reality devices and 4K/60FPS support along with 5 TB internal SSD drives standard and of course Microsoft will have been proven correct with 100% digital downloads and no optical drives, along with Redbox type vending machines that will fast download games to a USB type device for those with slow connections, or maybe delivered via Amazon's drone service, free for Amazon X consoles, 100.00 surcharge for PS5 owners.