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You really ARE delusional if you think Blizzard shows anything remotely in the realm of "not slow" when it comes to development and release of content and features.
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That wasn't a troll at all.
Blizzard HAS been glacially slow when it comes to releasing content.
In 7+ years, WOW has had 3 expansions.
In the same time-frame, EQ2 released 8 expansions and 3 adventure packs... Not to mention significant content updates every 4-6 months.
LOTRO has had 4 expansions in 5+ years
Aion has had 2 expansions in 2+
Blizzard HAS been glacially slow when it comes to releasing content.
In 7+ years, WOW has had 3 expansions.
In the same time-frame, EQ2 released 8 expansions and 3 adventure packs... Not to mention significant content updates every 4-6 months.
LOTRO has had 4 expansions in 5+ years
Aion has had 2 expansions in 2+
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Like his opinions on portable gaming, Fairweathers opinions on MMOs are based on ignorance.You really ARE delusional if you think Blizzard shows anything remotely in the realm of "not slow" when it comes to development and release of content and features.
He's only ever played EQ and WOW.
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>just signed up for Hello Kitty online!
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I think GW2 actually will do rather well with the sub fee-free deal. The mentoring and cross server PVP is also sounding pretty rad. However, I just do not think I can go the high-fantasy route again. that said, if Secret World ends up sucking (re: Funcom), I may give it a whirl.
Man it would have been great if the TOR folks would have listened to the people that actually make them money.
The only games I have ever seen people actually re-sub are WoW, EQ and EQ2. Rift, TOR, Conan etc, while quite cool in their own ways, simply let their egos get in the way of having a successful game. Both raved about "omg such a perfect launch!!11" that they forgot how quickly a skilled gamer (or even unskilled) can eat through content, get bored and find a new sandbox to play in all before their free month expires.
Man it would have been great if the TOR folks would have listened to the people that actually make them money.
The only games I have ever seen people actually re-sub are WoW, EQ and EQ2. Rift, TOR, Conan etc, while quite cool in their own ways, simply let their egos get in the way of having a successful game. Both raved about "omg such a perfect launch!!11" that they forgot how quickly a skilled gamer (or even unskilled) can eat through content, get bored and find a new sandbox to play in all before their free month expires.
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At least you know ArenaNet is motivated to put out quality expansions because they need the box sales.
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I don't think Blizzard would have done better financially with WOW if they released content faster. Besides, it takes time and patience to purposely create art as bad as WOW's.
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Lol. It is pretty bad. It was fun as shit for a while though. I remember you made a good ogre w/rifle. I had a blast with Ixtlan!
You going to check out The Secret World, Kyo? Beta is pretty fucking fun!
You going to check out The Secret World, Kyo? Beta is pretty fucking fun!
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miir wrote:Like his opinions on portable gaming, Fairweathers opinions on MMOs are based on ignorance.You really ARE delusional if you think Blizzard shows anything remotely in the realm of "not slow" when it comes to development and release of content and features.
He's only ever played EQ and WOW.
Just saw this, sorry for the late reply.
I've played quite a few MMOs. However, I haven't played them all and the ones I did play were only for a short amount of time. Age of Conan, Warhammer Online, Guild Wars, EQ2, EVE, City of Heroes, LotR, and some other korean one I don't even remeber the name of. I may have played more than 1 of those korean games, they all feel really samey to me. I'll try Star Wars some day, no doubt. Oh, I played Matrix Online too. That game was as dense as EQ at the start IMO. No directions, tutorial was shit, and you just kind of had to figure everything out on your own.
Basically, I just dabbled here and there. The longest one I played was CoH for about 3-4 months. I never really got a chance to see any of them rise and fall or experience improvements and nerfs, but I believe I got the gist of each one. Well, I guess I saw a mass exodus from CoH. I never played any long term because WoW just did everything better IMO. I am not sick and tired of the formula. I enjoy the content, gameplay, graphics, and my guild. I was never even in a guild in any of those other MMOs except CoH and my brother's guild thing in EVE. It is really going to take something drastically different/better than WoW to pull me away. GW2 has me curious, but I honestly do not know if I can stomach yet another fantasy MMO. I'll try it though!
Speaking of new MMOs, will anyone else be playing Planetside 2? It going to be FTP and it looked pretty good at E3. I plan on giving it a go!
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So server xfers have gone live, but are very limited right now. Given that two of the early destination servers are The Fatman and Jedi Council, it appears that they are going to try to consolidate into relatively few, very high population servers. Which is exactly what the game needs, but they need to keep expanding the list, and I'm not talking once a month.
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they made those two servers destination servers? that's ludicrous; they are already the two busiest servers. They are going to overload them and people who just transferred their dudes are going to be sitting in queues.
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Hell, even if they had the correct transfer strategy, it seems a bit late, eh?
Complete fuckery by Bio/EA on this--didn't learn a damn thing from others...not like there haven't been many MMO failures over the last several years.
Complete fuckery by Bio/EA on this--didn't learn a damn thing from others...not like there haven't been many MMO failures over the last several years.
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Fairweather Pure wrote:
Speaking of new MMOs, will anyone else be playing Planetside 2? It going to be FTP and it looked pretty good at E3. I plan on giving it a go!
Already signed up for the beta on that one. I know I intend to play it after release with the FTP.
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They should've been a bit faster, already canceled. Reason given in the exit survey? "Your servers are empty...."masteen wrote:So server xfers have gone live, but are very limited right now.
Might come back after I finish D3. Rift and Vanguard might get another look too.
Amazing they hosed this up so well.
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Vanguard is still alive?
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Played for a while last summer(?) when I got bored with EQ2. Really nice game at that point, they got it together eventually. Needs a relaunch/respin of some sort to get anyplace.Bubba Grizz wrote:Vanguard is still alive?
Has a mix of normal players and rabid fanbois.
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Vanguard is getting a FTP makeover as well. It should be happening soon.
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Just in time for the server transfers.
http://forum.mmosite.com/thread/2/154/2 ... d13-1.html
Free to play this soon. Death knell for the subscription-fee? What can they possibly do to create meaningful transactions on the f2p level that won't impede on the storyline aspect of this game?
Unlocking quest hubs/planets, ala Turbine and LOTRO? Frankly, I'm drawing a blank since the entire experience is wrapped up in the storyline of your character.
http://forum.mmosite.com/thread/2/154/2 ... d13-1.html
Free to play this soon. Death knell for the subscription-fee? What can they possibly do to create meaningful transactions on the f2p level that won't impede on the storyline aspect of this game?
Unlocking quest hubs/planets, ala Turbine and LOTRO? Frankly, I'm drawing a blank since the entire experience is wrapped up in the storyline of your character.
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Outdated speculation and bullshit. Free trial to level 15. Not F2P.Kaldaur wrote:Just in time for the server transfers.
http://forum.mmosite.com/thread/2/154/2 ... d13-1.html
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/05/30 ... ree-trials
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That was then.. This is now!masteen wrote:Outdated speculation and bullshit. Free trial to level 15. Not F2P.
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/05/30 ... ree-trials
BioWare's massively multiplayer online RPG Star Wars: The Old Republic will go free-to-play this fall, publisher Electronic Arts said today. The game will be available for $15 starting this August, including a month of free play.
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Not surprising one bit! May log in again this fall. It is a great game, aside from the fact that most folks stopped playing a month after release.
I am guessing that any sort of fancy expansion isn't on the menu however.
I am guessing that any sort of fancy expansion isn't on the menu however.
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The free-to-play version of the game amounts to a very limited trial account with no level cap.
Limited character options, limited to number of warzones, space missions and flash-points the can complete per week.
No raid content, limited travel options and very limited GTN access.
Fine for casual players and enough to hook potential subscribers.
Limited character options, limited to number of warzones, space missions and flash-points the can complete per week.
No raid content, limited travel options and very limited GTN access.
Fine for casual players and enough to hook potential subscribers.
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I have no interest in free to play games that cripple core content and hide it behind a pay wall. I'm more than willing to pay for cosmetic stuff and quality of life improvements, but I won't even bother with it if I have to pay just to raid or do raids or PVP. I guess that's a drawback of hacking free to play into a game built around a subscription model, but some games have pulled it off.
that said, TOR is still a pretty good game worth paying monthly for so whatever
It's just a shame big publishers and developers don't pay top money for the best talent any more.
that said, TOR is still a pretty good game worth paying monthly for so whatever
It's just a shame big publishers and developers don't pay top money for the best talent any more.
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kyoukan wrote:I have no interest in free to play games that cripple core content and hide it behind a pay wall. I'm more than willing to pay for cosmetic stuff and quality of life improvements, but I won't even bother with it if I have to pay just to raid or do raids or PVP. I guess that's a drawback of hacking free to play into a game built around a subscription model, but some games have pulled it off.
that said, TOR is still a pretty good game worth paying monthly for so whatever
It's just a shame big publishers and developers don't pay top money for the best talent any more.
Well said.
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I don't give a christ-gloryhole about limited content/caps either. Really all they needed to do was servermerge in February. Huttball was pretty rad--when on a half decent team.
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CBF downloading something like 15Gb to even look at it more than the hour I played it at a friend's house...
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I started playing it again last week.
Since I never went through any of the empire storylines, I picked up playing my bounty hunter.
Harbinger always had a pretty healthy population but since the server merge, it's just packed.
Like Kyou said, it's a solid game... totally worth the $15/month.
Since I never went through any of the empire storylines, I picked up playing my bounty hunter.
Harbinger always had a pretty healthy population but since the server merge, it's just packed.
Like Kyou said, it's a solid game... totally worth the $15/month.
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Seems pretty limited. I still occasionally play Aion and that went free to play a few months ago. I'm not even sure what the restrictions are because I can't tell any difference except that they stopped charging me a monthly fee. They keep pumping out expansions etc. with solid support.
SWTOR is a solid game. Even with the limitations, the free version should be enough to determine if it's worth it to you to go through more than the initial storylines.
SWTOR is a solid game. Even with the limitations, the free version should be enough to determine if it's worth it to you to go through more than the initial storylines.
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Looks like the ftp is limited enough to not be so useful to a returning player.
I'd play again on a high-pop server, at least to not have to sit in PVP queues for far too long. Will see how GW2 does first though...
I'd play again on a high-pop server, at least to not have to sit in PVP queues for far too long. Will see how GW2 does first though...
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I'd resub if they made it $10 a month instead of $15. My sub ends on the 17th of this month. No plans on renewing it. I'll see what GW2 is like first. That and Mechwarrior Online.
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Yeah, I used to think the subs were reasonable for maintaining all that infrastructure 24/7 and bandwidth. Then Netflix happened at $8-9/month and it seems like massive gouging...
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MWO is even more dependent on teammates to cover for the weaknesses of each other. So it sucks balls because most gamers are stupid shitcocks who run straight at the enemy because they love taking LRM facials, leaving my long-range Atlas to be picked apart by Jenners.Bubba Grizz wrote:I'd resub if they made it $10 a month instead of $15. My sub ends on the 17th of this month. No plans on renewing it. I'll see what GW2 is like first. That and Mechwarrior Online.
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Yeah MWO will take some getting used to once it is released. I am praying that they get the joysticks working soon. I just can't play that game with the keyboard and mouse as well.
I resubbed for Swtor for another month. Mainly because my daughter still wants to play and get her character story complete before she stops playing. I'm ok with that.
The game that I am not playing anymore but am very impressed with is RIFT. They are constantly adding new content and giving the players all kinds of information, whereas we hear nothing from swtor.
I resubbed for Swtor for another month. Mainly because my daughter still wants to play and get her character story complete before she stops playing. I'm ok with that.
The game that I am not playing anymore but am very impressed with is RIFT. They are constantly adding new content and giving the players all kinds of information, whereas we hear nothing from swtor.
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been waiting on an MWO invite. I didn't want to plop money on a Founders package just for that. I've been too disappointed by the ultimate demise of past Battletech online games.
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Last, but certainly not least, our Free-to-Play option has arrived! For players who want to experience the dynamic world of Star Wars: The Old Republic without committing to a monthly fee, there is a truly viable option to experience all of the incredible content the game has to offer. Free-to-Play players can now play all eight classes up to level 50 without committing to a monthly fee.
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EA just released some numbers on this game. There are 500,000 paid subscribers and 1.7 million free players. They also said it is profitable.
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I have reinstalled the game and logged in. I'm not paying a subscription so I had to go in as a free player. What I found is that you can only activate 2 of your existing toons. Your money is capped at 350k the remainder of your funds are in escrow; for me that is about 3mil on one of my toons. You are denied access to some of the highend gear. You can't level past 50.99 unless you buy the expansion. I had to change my name due to the server consolidation. All my skill points have been refunded. I got 220 cartel tokens.
Still not sure if I am going to play. I only downloaded again because I have some friends at work who still play and need me as an option when they can't find a 4th. I haven't really done anything else on there since.
Still not sure if I am going to play. I only downloaded again because I have some friends at work who still play and need me as an option when they can't find a 4th. I haven't really done anything else on there since.
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I still played fairly regularly and had a decently raid equipped sith warrior tank. I got the expansion, levelled up to 55, did a couple of hard modes and quit.
I'm not sure why these MMO designers keep making daily content you have to grind every day so hard. It's not that it isn't doable, but you need a decent set up of decently equipped smart players, and even then the new hard modes take to fucking long. I don't want to have CC every pull and I don't need to fuck around with insta kill boss mechanics. I just want my fucking badges. I saw myself grinding those new shiftfests every day for six months on top of the spread out new daily quests and I just don't have the energy. All these WOW-clone MMO's are such an unrewarding grind.
I'm not sure why these MMO designers keep making daily content you have to grind every day so hard. It's not that it isn't doable, but you need a decent set up of decently equipped smart players, and even then the new hard modes take to fucking long. I don't want to have CC every pull and I don't need to fuck around with insta kill boss mechanics. I just want my fucking badges. I saw myself grinding those new shiftfests every day for six months on top of the spread out new daily quests and I just don't have the energy. All these WOW-clone MMO's are such an unrewarding grind.