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This thread is for posting charts, maps and stuff.

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Highest paid public employees for each state

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This is The Geography of Hate – a cartographical collection of every geotagged tweet in the continental U.S. between June 2012 and April 2013 in which the word "chink," "gook," "nigger," "wetback," "spic," "dyke" "fag," "homo," "queer" or "cripple" was used in an explicitly negative way.
Red more. Grey less.

Arizona is almost pure goodness with probably just a few "spic" references dished out here and there! There sure are a lott of homo racists back east!

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South Carolina is so backwards they look progressive.
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Don't show that to Michelle Bachman she'll blow a gasket.
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I'd kind of like to see that.
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Sorry but I just can't consider a smartphone a "Personal Computing Platform" even if they are hundreds of times more powerful than my C64. But hey I'm probably in the minority on that.
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I agree with Aslanna. Smart phones are dumb. If I wanted to carry a computer around I would carry my laptop around. My cell phone is for calling people and quick text messages. But yes, we are the minority for sure.

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I agree, that chart is whack. The dominance of windows from 1998-2005 is impressive though. For a couple years in the 80's Commodore had a huge chunk of the market.

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kyoukan wrote:a chart
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Chicken is a lot tastier than wheat. Sorry!
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Aslanna wrote:Chicken is a lot tastier than wheat. Sorry!
Not to mention Glutten Free.

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I want to see an anti-meat organization attempt to condemn salmon farms.

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You people completely missed the point of that infographic.
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Nope I totally understand the graphic. It is basically saying that if we were an agrairian society we could end world hunger. But because animals are so damn tasty we will never do that until it is too late. then to get the meat fix people will resort to canibalism rather than grow food.

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animals taste 11X's better than vegetables so the extra energy required works out.

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It only took the first "fact" to understand that that chart is total bullshit. 30% of the world's land mass is used to raise animals for food? Really? See, it's only simple minded folk like Spang and his ilk who would believe such things. That is why veganism works for them. It's fine to be a vegan, just like it's fine to worship whatever religion you want. Just don't try to force it on other people.

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Dakanaf wrote:30% of the world's land mass is used to raise animals for food? Really?
According to a report:
Livestock now use 30 percent of the earth’s entire land surface, mostly permanent pasture but also including 33 percent of the global arable land used to producing feed for livestock, the report notes. As forests are cleared to create new pastures, it is a major driver of deforestation, especially in Latin America where, for example, some 70 percent of former forests in the Amazon have been turned over to grazing.
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You can continue to believe everything you read on the internet, buddy, I won't stand in your way. But a big percentage of the world's land mass isn't even inhabited, much less used for raising livestock. Carry on.

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Dakanaf wrote:You can continue to believe everything you read on the internet, buddy, I won't stand in your way. But a big percentage of the world's land mass isn't even inhabited, much less used for raising livestock. Carry on.
How does that disprove that 30% of the world's land surface is used for raising animals for food? And if it's not 30%, what's the right answer?
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So if the earth is roughly 72% water and 28% land. Of that land 8.4% of it would be used to raise animals for food...

sorry, calling bullshit on that one.
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It's 30% of the land on earth, not 30% of the earth.
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You all learned yer math wrong!
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9% of Earth's land mass is Antarctica alone, so unless that study didn't include that for their propaganda purposes, that disapproves it alone. Most of the Earth's land mass isn't hospitable for human habitation and therefore raising of livestock because it's deserts or high mountains, wilderness etc. Keep living the dream though.

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Dakanaf wrote:9% of Earth's land mass is Antarctica alone, so unless that study didn't include that for their propaganda purposes, that disapproves it alone. Most of the Earth's land mass isn't hospitable for human habitation and therefore raising of livestock because it's deserts or high mountains, wilderness etc. Keep living the dream though.
What percentage of land is used to raise animals for food?
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I don't pretend to know everything or be superior to people over the internet so I wouldn't know, but it's certainly not 30% of the world's land mass. All it takes to know that is a globe and a 5th grader's knowledge of geography.

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Another source for you people to refute with no supporting evidence:
The global impact of farming on the environment is revealed in new maps, which show that 40 percent of the Earth's land is now given over to agriculture.

University of Wisconsin-Madison scientists compiled the maps using satellite images and crop and livestock production data from countries around the world. The team presented their picture of global land use this week at a meeting of the American Geophysical Union in San Francisco.

"The satellite data tells us where cultivation is occurring with good spatial accuracy, while the census data is able to tell us what is being grown there," said Navin Ramankutty, a land-use researcher with Wisconsin-Madison's Center for Sustainability and the Global Environment (SAGE).

The maps suggest that an area roughly the size of South America is used for crop production, while even more land—7.9 to 8.9 billion acres (3.2 to 3.6 billion hectares)—is being used to raise livestock.
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That kind of data is misleading because they uses massive ranges that cattle producers use periodically and count it towards that number. They also count areas considered agricultural land reserve, most of which don't produce anything or are owned by hobby farmers like my husband and I because we can afford to own land. A significant percentage of arable land lays around doing fuck all because there is no demand for more food. They also look at the 100's of millions of hectares of land used by farmers in Australia/NZ and South America who raise animals for wool and other textiles. These animals are not slaughtered until they are too old to grow hair, at which point they are only good for dog food.

Anyone who isn't an alarmist hippy that only thinks they know what they are talking about will tell you that world hunger is not a production issue, it is a political and logistical issue. Modern farming techniques in the 70s and 80s revolutionized food production in Asia and the Indian sub-continent. The same can be done in Africa if you whining fucking babies would allow them to grow high yield crops with up to spec irrigation systems and chemical fertilizers. You continue to hamper food production on that continent with your interference and insistence that African farmers plant seeds by hand and use rakes and "traditional farming methods" (hint: they were starving to death and prone to droughts when we first saw them using these methods) instead of modern machinery to produce high yields. You're worse for Africa than the colonialists and the Catholic church; at least they didn't actively try to starve them.

Also I am wondering what we should do with arable farmland other than food production? Kitten orphanages? Rainbow factories? Human beings are omnivores. We need protein to live. Our children need protein to grow their bodies, which were not designed for an all vegetable intake. Protein from meat is the easiest and most culturally accepted method way of obtaining what our bodies need to sustain our lives. Just because you live in a region of the planet where you can supplement your diet with manufactured products that supplement your protein intake does not mean everyone in the world has that privilege. They have to grow livestock so they don't die. It is beyond arrogant to expect them to stop.

Westerners actually eat less meat than a lot of other areas of the world where meat in the mainstay of their diets. The main difference being they will eat the entire animal where we won't eat the "gross" parts because we're rich and don't have to, so we feed it to our pets instead. We can afford to do this because we have tons of space.

The world is not in danger of running out of space any time soon. Yeah Brazil slash burning a ton of rain forests sucked. The alternative was to allow them to remain poor forever because they can't use their land to build their economy like we did in North America and Europe. Interfering hippies like you who would rather feel better about yourselves than allow millions of people to raise themselves up to the similar living standards that you already enjoy. Please do everyone a favor and shut your fucking mouth because you don't know fucking anything about food production, and what you do know is WRONG. Tell your friends too.

If you want to solve global food issues, then take yourself and all your rich asshole iPhone using sierra club twats, put yourselves in a fucking gas chamber and pull the lever. After that, we'll have all these problems sorted out in a decade.

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You've got me confused with someone else.
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Paul Ehrlich. His 1968 book, The Population Bomb, warned that by the end of the 20th century, humanity would face a population explosion followed by a sudden, devastating collapse.

According to the UN, the percentage of the population which is “undernourished” has fallen from 33 per cent to 16 since 1968. Global food production has easily kept pace with population: again, thanks to advances in agricultural technology, specifically those which drove the so-called Green Revolution. Through aggressive use of selective breeding and agricultural chemicals, and the development of new breeds of wheat and rice, what seemed to be looming disaster was averted. Rice yields per hectare in Asia tripled, and food costs plummeted. The "father of the Green Revolution", an American agronomist and plant geneticist called Norman Borlaug, won the Nobel Peace Prize. He was described as the "Forgotten benefactor of mankind" by Atlantic Monthly, and credited having prevented a billion deaths.

That Malthus and Ehrlich were both so wrong is a tribute to human ingenuity. It’s also a warning to those who try to forecast the future. Neither of them predicted the revolutions in food production. Neither did they foresee another, even simpler, change in human behaviour: a global drop in fertility. The average woman now has just 2.52 children – down from 4.85 when Ehrlich was writing. In Europe and the United States, that has dropped to 1.53 and 2.07 respectively. This is thanks to contraception, to greater urbanisation and economic development, and to the education of women.
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Farm yields have been marching upwards for decades and will continue to do so. In the past sixty years, the total harvest of the big three crops that provide the bulk of our calories - maize, wheat and rice - has tripled, yet the acreage planted has hardly changed.

This trend is going to continue partly thanks to low-tech changes already in the pipeline. Helped by Chinese investment, improved transport to get African crops to market with less waste will make a big difference. As will tractors, which boost production by 25% or so - because they free the land for human food that would otherwise be needed to feed bullocks or horses.

African farmers will start to use much more fertilizer, as western farmers do, which makes it possible to sustain yields without exhausting the soil. A few years ago environmentalists argued that fertiliser would soon run short, because it is made using natural gas, a fossil fuel. But the discovery of how to extract abundant shale gas has turned that argument on its head: there are probably many decades' worth of natural gas now available to make fertilizer.

There are high-tech changes afoot too. Maize and rice that have been genetically modified to resist pests and use less water, soybeans with better amino acid balance for pig food, wheat that can resist rust - all these are coming. Benighted Europe may reject these GM crops for superstitious reasons but surely not for long. The environmental benefits alone are now stark: GM crops can be pest resistant without the use of sprays that kill harmless insect bystanders.

The more yields increase, the more land can be set aside from food production for reforestation and national parks. This is happening already. National parks are expanding steadily, and land that was once farmed is being returned to forest, especially in countries like Britain and America. That is a huge contrast to a century ago, when farming kept up with population only by expanding into new areas of steppe, pampas and prairie.

Don't forget another factor. Carbon dioxide levels in the air are rising. CO2 is a raw material that plants use to make sugars, which is why many greenhouse owners pump CO2 over their crops to boost production. The results of more than 600 experiments with rice, wheat and soybeans exposed to the sort of carbon dioxide levels expected by 2050 (an extra 300 parts per million) all show remarkably consistent 30+% increases in yield. And the higher the CO2, the less water a plant loses in absorbing it, so water stress will improve too. Plus, if global warming happens, it is likely to produce more rainfall, so that regions like the Sahel will continue to become greener, as it has in recent decades.

For all these reasons food production will probably continue to rise faster than population in the decades ahead. There will still be price spikes caused by bad weather or foolish policies, and there will be challenges: policies that encourage innovation cannot be taken for granted. Yet so long as trade is free and innovation flourishes, by 2050 it is easily possible that we can feed nine billion people with more and better food from less land.
I don't see an issue with feeding livestock or people anytime soon. Population isn't a problem and food production isn't an issue.

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Spang wrote:You've got me confused with someone else.
No, I think I have you pegged exactly.

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No, you really don't.
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Spang wrote:You've got me confused with someone else.
Someone who reads posts and responds thoughtfully instead of being a massive troll? Oh right. I do have you confused with someone else.
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Bubba Grizz wrote:then to get the meat fix people will resort to canibalism rather than grow food.
That tasty, tasty long pig.
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Paul Ehrlich. His 1968 book, The Population Bomb, warned that by the end of the 20th century, humanity would face a population explosion followed by a sudden, devastating collapse.

According to the UN, the percentage of the population which is “undernourished” has fallen from 33 per cent to 16 since 1968. Global food production has easily kept pace with population: again, thanks to advances in agricultural technology, specifically those which drove the so-called Green Revolution. Through aggressive use of selective breeding and agricultural chemicals, and the development of new breeds of wheat and rice, what seemed to be looming disaster was averted. Rice yields per hectare in Asia tripled, and food costs plummeted. The "father of the Green Revolution", an American agronomist and plant geneticist called Norman Borlaug, won the Nobel Peace Prize. He was described as the "Forgotten benefactor of mankind" by Atlantic Monthly, and credited having prevented a billion deaths.

That Malthus and Ehrlich were both so wrong is a tribute to human ingenuity. It’s also a warning to those who try to forecast the future. Neither of them predicted the revolutions in food production. Neither did they foresee another, even simpler, change in human behaviour: a global drop in fertility. The average woman now has just 2.52 children – down from 4.85 when Ehrlich was writing. In Europe and the United States, that has dropped to 1.53 and 2.07 respectively. This is thanks to contraception, to greater urbanisation and economic development, and to the education of women.
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Farm yields have been marching upwards for decades and will continue to do so. In the past sixty years, the total harvest of the big three crops that provide the bulk of our calories - maize, wheat and rice - has tripled, yet the acreage planted has hardly changed.

This trend is going to continue partly thanks to low-tech changes already in the pipeline. Helped by Chinese investment, improved transport to get African crops to market with less waste will make a big difference. As will tractors, which boost production by 25% or so - because they free the land for human food that would otherwise be needed to feed bullocks or horses.

African farmers will start to use much more fertilizer, as western farmers do, which makes it possible to sustain yields without exhausting the soil. A few years ago environmentalists argued that fertiliser would soon run short, because it is made using natural gas, a fossil fuel. But the discovery of how to extract abundant shale gas has turned that argument on its head: there are probably many decades' worth of natural gas now available to make fertilizer.

There are high-tech changes afoot too. Maize and rice that have been genetically modified to resist pests and use less water, soybeans with better amino acid balance for pig food, wheat that can resist rust - all these are coming. Benighted Europe may reject these GM crops for superstitious reasons but surely not for long. The environmental benefits alone are now stark: GM crops can be pest resistant without the use of sprays that kill harmless insect bystanders.

The more yields increase, the more land can be set aside from food production for reforestation and national parks. This is happening already. National parks are expanding steadily, and land that was once farmed is being returned to forest, especially in countries like Britain and America. That is a huge contrast to a century ago, when farming kept up with population only by expanding into new areas of steppe, pampas and prairie.

Don't forget another factor. Carbon dioxide levels in the air are rising. CO2 is a raw material that plants use to make sugars, which is why many greenhouse owners pump CO2 over their crops to boost production. The results of more than 600 experiments with rice, wheat and soybeans exposed to the sort of carbon dioxide levels expected by 2050 (an extra 300 parts per million) all show remarkably consistent 30+% increases in yield. And the higher the CO2, the less water a plant loses in absorbing it, so water stress will improve too. Plus, if global warming happens, it is likely to produce more rainfall, so that regions like the Sahel will continue to become greener, as it has in recent decades.

For all these reasons food production will probably continue to rise faster than population in the decades ahead. There will still be price spikes caused by bad weather or foolish policies, and there will be challenges: policies that encourage innovation cannot be taken for granted. Yet so long as trade is free and innovation flourishes, by 2050 it is easily possible that we can feed nine billion people with more and better food from less land.
I don't see an issue with feeding livestock or people anytime soon. Population isn't a problem and food production isn't an issue.
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GMO's making "better food". That's funny shit right there.

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GMO's are certainly useful.

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That's not the point.

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I didn't read what you were responding to, so there's that.

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Re: Chart of the Day

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