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Obama looked like he was asleep at the wheel. Looks like the election will be closer than I thought. Obama has to be a complete moron to lose this thing.
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While Romney might have "won" the debate due to not being called out on many of his obfuscations and even a few outright lies, by tonight all most people are gonna remember is that Mitt wants to give more to rich people by killing Big Bird.
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Cutting PBS support (0.012% of budget) to help balance the Federal budget is like deleting text files to make room on your 500Gig hard drive
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Just one of his lies:
Do people really base who they vote for on these debates? My vote wont change regardless of who "wins". It seems like the only people they might sway are those too lazy to find out about the candidates on their own.
Romney just sounded like a robot car salesman to me. Answering questions based on what sounded good or what he thought people wanted to hear. How many times did he use the word "jobs"? The answer: A lot. 'For me, this is about jobs. This is about getting jobs for the American people.'. Oh you mean like those jobs you helped eliminate and send overseas to make a profit? Got it! Fucking hypocrite. I don't believe a word that comes out of the guys mouth.Republican nominee Mitt Romney has frequently railed against efforts championed by President Barack Obama steering money to promote "green energy."
He continued that line of attack Wednesday night, decrying what he described as "$90 billion in breaks to the green energy world."
"These businesses, many of them have gone out of business -- I think about half of them -- of the ones that have been invested in have gone out of business," the former Massachusetts governor said.
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Conclusion:
It is fair to say that the 2009 stimulus authorized $90 billion for green energy, as Romney asserted. Whether or not one terms these as "breaks" is subjective, and one shouldn't assume that all the funds went to specific businesses like Solyndra.
Most of the large projects that benefited from the Department of Energy loan program remain in operation -- contrary to Romney's assertion that "almost half" of them had closed.
Do people really base who they vote for on these debates? My vote wont change regardless of who "wins". It seems like the only people they might sway are those too lazy to find out about the candidates on their own.
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I was watching the debate on PBS but had CNN's web page up streaming it there as well where they had undecided Colorado voters with positive/negative reaction clickers. Seemed rigged. Every time before Obama spoke, the female trend line shot up before he even said anything. The male trend line seemed to actually reflect reactions to what the candidates were saying.
It would be nice to see Obama put a little more effort into these debates since we'll most likely be stuck with him another 4 years. Even Obama supporters should want a little more enthusiasm out of this future lame duck president.
It would be nice to see Obama put a little more effort into these debates since we'll most likely be stuck with him another 4 years. Even Obama supporters should want a little more enthusiasm out of this future lame duck president.
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Obviously wasn't trying to take credit (which is why I put it in quotes).
Figured you guys here would be savy enough to use the google if you really wanted to know who said it.
Figured you guys here would be savy enough to use the google if you really wanted to know who said it.
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I was just putting it in context since NdGT obviously gets a a few government dollars!
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Watched a little bit of it, Romney seemed hungry-used-car-salesman-desperate, Obama seemed bored and annoyed.
I'm not sure I see the point of the debates, no one who pays any attention is going to change their mind at this stage.
The "market" isn't magic, and it isn't run by some benign, well meaning Buddha-types. The people running US for profit corporations will in general shaft anyone, anytime they can get away with it to make a buck. Assuming it's even quasi-legal, insurance companies in particular.
They've shown it time and again, it's their responsibility to maximize profits and no one will call them on the carpet or publicly shame them on it (as would be happening if we actually had "liberal" media.).
I'm not sure I see the point of the debates, no one who pays any attention is going to change their mind at this stage.
The "market" isn't magic, and it isn't run by some benign, well meaning Buddha-types. The people running US for profit corporations will in general shaft anyone, anytime they can get away with it to make a buck. Assuming it's even quasi-legal, insurance companies in particular.
They've shown it time and again, it's their responsibility to maximize profits and no one will call them on the carpet or publicly shame them on it (as would be happening if we actually had "liberal" media.).
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At least Obama wasn't trolled into saying something that could be repeated ad-nauseum by right wing pundits and in attack ads. The best they can do is attack his record over the past 4 years... which isn't going to whip any people into a frenzy (who aren't already there).
Indeed.I was just putting it in context since NdGT obviously gets a a few government dollars!
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Can't wait for the foreign affairs debate to see how many times Obama mentions Bin Laden. (bonus points if he mentions how tense it was in the ready room)
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As opposed to Romney who will have to sit there looking stupid because he has no foreign affairs experience. Unless you count insulting England and the Palestinians. If he wins the election we really shouldn't let him leave the country.
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Kinda like the muzzle generally kept on Biden!Aslanna wrote:As opposed to Romney who will have to sit there looking stupid because he has no foreign affairs experience. Unless you count insulting England and the Palestinians. If he wins the election we really shouldn't let him leave the country.
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Romney destroyed him in the debate. When even the liberal leaning rags are declaring it was a lopsided win and that Obama was not prepared for what Romney brought, then you have problems. You are not going to change the minds of the people who already decided who they are voting for....but you can sway the very important middle that voted for Obama last time and that is the deciding votes in this race.
I bet you Obama is not going to be allowed by his handlers to go do the talk show circuit instead of preparing for the next one.
I bet you Obama is not going to be allowed by his handlers to go do the talk show circuit instead of preparing for the next one.
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I agree that Romney "won", by the standard that we judge a debate, but I think that just reflects on how fucked up our debates are. How did he win? Because he looked prepared and remembered his lines from the script he was supposed to follow? He didn't really provide any details about any of his plans, yet again; it's more of "I'll reduce the budget and get rid of things people don't like and give them more of what they do want" platitudes with a wink and a smile and a twinkle in his eye.
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That's the way it works. Last election Obama could say anything he wanted. It's a little different once you're in office.
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Romney only won by lying about almost every point...and Obama didn't call him on any of it.
They are both idiots.
They are both idiots.
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It's pretty sad when the only one calling him out on the lies is John Stewart (not a shot at John, I love the Daily Show). God forbid any major news outlets do their job.
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Obama better watch out. A solid performance in the next debate along with a few "bonus" votes and Romney's in business!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt2eA2PceKc (NSFW for Language)Winnow wrote:Can't wait for the foreign affairs debate to see how many times Obama mentions Bin Laden. (bonus points if he mentions how tense it was in the ready room)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_M8BIAJJSw (NSFW for language)
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This, and honestly I'm getting really f'n sick of it. (The Obama not calling Romney on his shit part) There's like a bigger pool of crap to pull from on making Romney look like the idiot he is and Obama didn't even dip his toe into the water. I don't know what to think of his performance at the debate, I honestly don't. Whatever it is, he needs to fucking get with it or he deserves to lose.Asheran Mojomaster wrote:Romney only won by lying about almost every point...and Obama didn't call him on any of it.
I know a lot of you don't like him and I can understand that, but I seriously question your sanity if you think Romney is a good choice of people to have in office. 'Enough digits to hold a pen'. That's what your party thinks of him. That this doesn't frighten you frightens me.
All of that said, Romney won that debate no question. Regardless the lack of truth, regardless of what he said, he said it quickly and with conviction. There was no hesitation, there was a comeback for every point made, etc. Obama looked like he barely knew who Romney was. Just fucking pathetic.
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Romney isn't the problem IMO, it's the party driving the bus who are the issue. Ryan as a VP choice shows clearly the shape of a Romney presidency.
RNC Koolaide drinking co-worker asked "what if Romney brought his LDS values to the presidency?". I said I thought he'd be a great president for about 3 months then the party would rebel underneath him and and he'd either knuckle under and comply (like the democrats do) or waste the rest of his term.
Seperately:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/romney ... uld,29854/
RNC Koolaide drinking co-worker asked "what if Romney brought his LDS values to the presidency?". I said I thought he'd be a great president for about 3 months then the party would rebel underneath him and and he'd either knuckle under and comply (like the democrats do) or waste the rest of his term.
Seperately:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/romney ... uld,29854/
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The modern GOP is all about hard lines and purity tests, which is why I drift away from them.
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That shit basically started when all the pro-Israeli people jumped to the GOP and allied with the "rapture can't come soon enough" Jeebus freaks to form the neo-conservative arm of the party, mostly in the late Carter/early Reagan years. When Clinton made Bush 1 a one term president is when they flipped their shit, because they had more than a decade of things going their way on all fronts and thus the propaganda war on Rush and Fox began, though to be fair CNN was called the "Clinton News Network" for a reason. When they started enshrining Reagan as some sort of religeos figure is when the wheels came off and the party was never going to be reasonable again, with shit like wanting to replace Jefferson on Mt Rushmoore with Reagan because Jefferson boinked some of his slaves. The whole propaganda ball got rolling after Watergate, though, because the people behind the scenes (and Nixon publically) stated that they felt they needed control of the media to prevent all of the backlash (ie people getting pissed at the illegal/unethical shit you are doing) from happening. Of course if you ask a modern day conservatard how a bunch of wealthy war mongering jews and illiterate baptists formed up the base of the largest pro business party in the history of the planet, they have no fucking clue how their party got from Ike to where it is now.
The irony is that if Reagan or Nixon were alive and to run on their record today, they would both be run out of the party on a rail for being hippy liberal douches. Nixon made peace with China, ended the Veit-Nam war, resigned rather than drag Watergate out, and was actually fairly moderate on a lot of social positions. Reagan made peace with the Soviets, taxed the fuck out of people, was pro gun control, made many bi-partisan agreements on policy, was a Hollywood figure, and negotiated with Iran. What fucking communist pussies!
The irony is that if Reagan or Nixon were alive and to run on their record today, they would both be run out of the party on a rail for being hippy liberal douches. Nixon made peace with China, ended the Veit-Nam war, resigned rather than drag Watergate out, and was actually fairly moderate on a lot of social positions. Reagan made peace with the Soviets, taxed the fuck out of people, was pro gun control, made many bi-partisan agreements on policy, was a Hollywood figure, and negotiated with Iran. What fucking communist pussies!
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Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
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Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
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"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
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You lost me completely when you said Reagan was pro-gun control. He may have been catering to his base in Kalifornia and he supported the Brady Bill for 7 day waiting periods (which was before our instant checks of today), but he was definitely not for a broad gun control.
Ronald Reagan, concerning gun control:
"You won't get gun control by disarming law-abiding citizens. There's only one way to get real gun control: Disarm the thugs and the criminals, lock them up and if you don't actually throw away the key, at least lose it for a long time... It's a nasty truth, but those who seek to inflict harm are not fazed by gun controllers. I happen to know this from personal experience."
Again, Reagan speaks to this fact:
"There are those in America today who have come to depend absolutely on government for their security. And when government fails they seek to rectify that failure in the form of granting government more power. So, as government has failed to control crime and violence with the means given it by the Constitution, they seek to give it more power at the expense of the Constitution. But in doing so, in their willingness to give up their arms in the name of safety, they are really giving up their protection from what has always been the chief source of despotism -- government."
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REAGAN MAY HAVE BEEN PRO GUN CONTROL BUT IN NO WAY WAS HE PRO GUN CONTROL. I LOVE BEING A REPUBLICAN.
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I honestly don't see why anyone even acknowledges that kilmoll says anything in this forum anymore. It's a waste of time, he's a delusional nutcase.
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Because he is a swing state voter, which is to say he will be dressing up as a cop and standing outside polling places to scare the darkies off in a few weeks.
War is an option whose time has passed. Peace is the only option for the future. At present we occupy a treacherous no-man's-land between peace and war, a time of growing fear that our military might has expanded beyond our capacity to control it and our political differences widened beyond our ability to bridge them. . . .
Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
--RICHARD M. NIXON, "REAL PEACE" (1983)
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
Dwight Eisenhower
Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
--RICHARD M. NIXON, "REAL PEACE" (1983)
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
Dwight Eisenhower
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the huge gut and slumped shoulders of defeat in all things masculine may throw off the disguise.
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Jice Virago wrote:Because he is a swing state voter, which is to say he will be dressing up as a cop and standing outside polling places to scare the darkies off in a few weeks.
does that job come with good health care coverage?
Is the midget trying to make cracks about people's weight or looks? Is that on the table now? I would just like to know so I can begin abusing it.
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kil so small peen he get big gun for to compensate
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sounds like someone's feelings got hurt. go ahead and make fun of my looks. later I'll try to find a blind person to make fun of my eyesight.
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I am sure anyone who tolerates you on a regular basis would need to be blind and/or deaf. I am actually surprised that anyone, outside of whichever crazy family member raped you, would actually get near you long enough to stick any part of their body into you.
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Oh no he di'int!
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Kilmoll frothing at the mouth made my day. Anytime he asks why no one takes him seriously, I am going to link back to this post. What a fucking Cromagnon.
War is an option whose time has passed. Peace is the only option for the future. At present we occupy a treacherous no-man's-land between peace and war, a time of growing fear that our military might has expanded beyond our capacity to control it and our political differences widened beyond our ability to bridge them. . . .
Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
--RICHARD M. NIXON, "REAL PEACE" (1983)
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
Dwight Eisenhower
Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
--RICHARD M. NIXON, "REAL PEACE" (1983)
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
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Watching the male/female immediate response meter on CNN, I'm surprised the females haven't broken their clickers every time Ryan speaks.
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Biden came off as an arrogant windbag (though, he was right on most of his points)
Ryan came off as stuck up, and full of shit
I think I need to be a politician. I can already talk most people into doing whatever I want them to, and I can turn a simple answer into a 5 minute speech.
Maybe I will run for President in 2024!
Ryan came off as stuck up, and full of shit
I think I need to be a politician. I can already talk most people into doing whatever I want them to, and I can turn a simple answer into a 5 minute speech.
Maybe I will run for President in 2024!
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I was watching CNN so they had both candidates on screen at all times. Biden came off as a huge douche to me with all of his laughing. I don't give a shit what your position is, you look like a douche when you're laughing, especially about nukes, etc.
Biden interrupted Ryan 82 times. EIGHTY-TWO TIMES! Jesus. Even democrats should have been wanting him to just shut the fuck up while Ryan was speaking and choose his interruptions a little more wisely. Interruptions lose effectiveness when you do it constantly and sit there laughing/smirking whenever he wasn't.
I thought Ryan did a decent job. At least he interrupted Biden about eight times less, with only a couple smirks. I thought it was funny that Biden kept asking if he'd have time to respond when Biden's talk time was longer than Ryan's the entire debate.
I'm sure Biden was told to just try and disrupt the debate so he didn't outright lose it.
Biden interrupted Ryan 82 times. EIGHTY-TWO TIMES! Jesus. Even democrats should have been wanting him to just shut the fuck up while Ryan was speaking and choose his interruptions a little more wisely. Interruptions lose effectiveness when you do it constantly and sit there laughing/smirking whenever he wasn't.
I thought Ryan did a decent job. At least he interrupted Biden about eight times less, with only a couple smirks. I thought it was funny that Biden kept asking if he'd have time to respond when Biden's talk time was longer than Ryan's the entire debate.
I'm sure Biden was told to just try and disrupt the debate so he didn't outright lose it.
I'd call that being generous to Biden. I guess we'll see the "bad-ass" side of Obama next election try to make himself look less sleepy and non caring that last debate.: CNN-ORC post-debate poll of Registered Voters: 48% said Ryan won. 44% said Biden won. Sampling error: +-5%
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I'm not a Dem at all, and I completely disagree. I think Biden won that, hands down. No matter how arrogant he was acting, or how much he was interrupting, he was controlling that debate. He had Ryan on his heels, and he did it while mostly telling the truth (I would debate how "truthful" some things were, based on my own views, but they were truthful in what he was doing, and according to the numbers).Winnow wrote:I was watching CNN so they had both candidates on screen at all times. Biden came off as a huge douche to me with all of his laughing. I don't give a shit what your position is, you look like a douche when you're laughing, especially about nukes, etc.
Biden interrupted Ryan 82 times. EIGHTY-TWO TIMES! Jesus. Even democrats should have been wanting him to just shut the fuck up while Ryan was speaking and choose his interruptions a little more wisely. Interruptions lose effectiveness when you do it constantly and sit there laughing/smirking whenever he wasn't.
I thought Ryan did a decent job. At least he interrupted Biden about eight times less, with only a couple smirks. I thought it was funny that Biden kept asking if he'd have time to respond when Biden's talk time was longer than Ryan's the entire debate.
I'm sure Biden was told to just try and disrupt the debate so he didn't outright lose it.
I'd call that being generous to Biden. I guess we'll see the "bad-ass" side of Obama next election try to make himself look less sleepy and non caring that last debate.: CNN-ORC post-debate poll of Registered Voters: 48% said Ryan won. 44% said Biden won. Sampling error: +-5%
Ryan lied, or twisted facts more, and still couldn't get the upper hand.
I am pretty sure Ryan is only the VP nominee because he is "cute" and a good speaker. If you really listen to what he is saying, it makes very little sense, or is completely wrong. He does sound very smart while he is saying it though.
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It makes me so sad that McCain picked Palin as his VP for the 2008 election. He is one of the few politicians that I actually have respect for. I was a Ron Paul supporter in the Republican primaries leading up to the 2008 election (I know hes a bit crazy on some of his views, but he is so dead on for others), but I would have voted for McCain if he had ANYONE other than Sarah Palin as his VP.
The man is so old, and has had so many health problems, that I, and many people like me, could not vote for him in good conscience. Putting that woman a heart attack from the presidency was unthinkable.
The man is so old, and has had so many health problems, that I, and many people like me, could not vote for him in good conscience. Putting that woman a heart attack from the presidency was unthinkable.
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Maybe the GOP won't need any "special" votes in Florida after all.Poll: Romney leads Obama in Florida by 7 points
By Holly Bailey, Yahoo! News | The Ticket – 5 hrs ago
Mitt Romney has opened up a 7-point lead over President Barack Obama in Florida—yet more proof that last week's presidential debate may have been a game changer for the Republican nominee's campaign.
A new Tampa Bay Times/Miami Herald/Bay News 9 poll found Romney leading Obama 51 percent to 44 percent among likely Florida voters. That's a major shift from last month when the two contenders were statistically tied in the state.
According to the poll, 5 percent of previously undecided and 2 percent of Obama backers moved to Romney's corner after the debate, while another 2 percent of Obama supporters now say they are undecided.
The poll comes as both candidates have intensified their focus on the state. Romney spent last weekend campaigning in Florida, while Obama stumped there on Thursday.
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Well, if the old people (aka most of the voters in Florida) paid attention to the VP debates tonight, they may rethink that. Biden was not lying when he talked about Obama\his medicaid numbers VS Romney\Ryan's.Winnow wrote:Maybe the GOP won't need any "special" votes in Florida after all.Poll: Romney leads Obama in Florida by 7 points
By Holly Bailey, Yahoo! News | The Ticket – 5 hrs ago
Mitt Romney has opened up a 7-point lead over President Barack Obama in Florida—yet more proof that last week's presidential debate may have been a game changer for the Republican nominee's campaign.
A new Tampa Bay Times/Miami Herald/Bay News 9 poll found Romney leading Obama 51 percent to 44 percent among likely Florida voters. That's a major shift from last month when the two contenders were statistically tied in the state.
According to the poll, 5 percent of previously undecided and 2 percent of Obama backers moved to Romney's corner after the debate, while another 2 percent of Obama supporters now say they are undecided.
The poll comes as both candidates have intensified their focus on the state. Romney spent last weekend campaigning in Florida, while Obama stumped there on Thursday.
I honestly want Obama to win at this point. He has a poor showing in the debate, but at least I know his plan and the way he is going to fuck me.
I'm still unsure on most of Romney's, and the ideas he has been clear about do not sit well with me.
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Apparently you didn't look much into McCain. Look up how he acted throughout the entire process of removing the don't ask don't tell policy. When they actually surveyed people in the military, and came back with the results (that the majority don't give a shit about the sexual preference of the people they are serving with), he actually threw a little temper tantrum and stomped out of the meeting like a 4 year old. The man is a racist, homophobic, ignorant child in an old mans body.Asheran Mojomaster wrote:It makes me so sad that McCain picked Palin as his VP for the 2008 election. He is one of the few politicians that I actually have respect for. I was a Ron Paul supporter in the Republican primaries leading up to the 2008 election (I know hes a bit crazy on some of his views, but he is so dead on for others), but I would have voted for McCain if he had ANYONE other than Sarah Palin as his VP.
The man is so old, and has had so many health problems, that I, and many people like me, could not vote for him in good conscience. Putting that woman a heart attack from the presidency was unthinkable.
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Well, I didn't say I agreed with him on 100% of his policies. I do not think that would be possible unless I decide to run for office myself, and the majority of people his age are not going to be very gay friendly. I was also sad to see how he changed a lot of his views in the years prior to his presidential campaign(s). He did a few small changes before attempting it in 2000, then pandered a lot to the extreme right in 2008, but still kept his own views on most issues.Funkmasterr wrote:Apparently you didn't look much into McCain. Look up how he acted throughout the entire process of removing the don't ask don't tell policy. When they actually surveyed people in the military, and came back with the results (that the majority don't give a shit about the sexual preference of the people they are serving with), he actually threw a little temper tantrum and stomped out of the meeting like a 4 year old. The man is a racist, homophobic, ignorant child in an old mans body.Asheran Mojomaster wrote:It makes me so sad that McCain picked Palin as his VP for the 2008 election. He is one of the few politicians that I actually have respect for. I was a Ron Paul supporter in the Republican primaries leading up to the 2008 election (I know hes a bit crazy on some of his views, but he is so dead on for others), but I would have voted for McCain if he had ANYONE other than Sarah Palin as his VP.
The man is so old, and has had so many health problems, that I, and many people like me, could not vote for him in good conscience. Putting that woman a heart attack from the presidency was unthinkable.
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Mccain was a great politician up until 2004 when he sold out his integrity and endorsed Bush for a shot at running for president in 2008. It showed how defeated he was after that. He just stopped giving a shit about anything but winning and has turned into one of the more obnoxious republican trolls.
Before that, he was so non-partisan that there was serious talk about Kerry picking him as a VP candidate. He ended up taking Lieberman, who is an even bigger repubican troll.
Before that, he was so non-partisan that there was serious talk about Kerry picking him as a VP candidate. He ended up taking Lieberman, who is an even bigger repubican troll.
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I still think McCain could win 2016, if he's still alive. Call me cynical, but the republican primaries this year looked like what was left after everyone else took a step back.kyoukan wrote:Mccain was a great politician up until 2004 when he sold out his integrity and endorsed Bush for a shot at running for president in 2008. It showed how defeated he was after that. He just stopped giving a shit about anything but winning and has turned into one of the more obnoxious republican trolls.
Before that, he was so non-partisan that there was serious talk about Kerry picking him as a VP candidate. He ended up taking Lieberman, who is an even bigger repubican troll.
He'd need to run with someone a little to the right of Cheney to placate Kilmoll and the rest of the teabaggers, but he's still the cleanest candidate they have that doesn't make you want vomit and has some hope of winning votes in the centre. Perhaps by 2016 the GOP will realise they can't win by getting 250% of the far right votes until they're the ones in control of the voting machines again.
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-- G W Bush, freelance writer for The Daily Show.