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Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » September 7, 2012, 12:47 pm

I watched both and it is amazing how stark the contrast is between the two parties. The Republicans were a bunch of cold and angry dudes who did nothing but use fear to push their agenda, while the Democrats were amazingly diverse, happy, and used a powerful and uniting message to push theirs. Jesus, the Republicans are salty as fuck! The gulf has never been so obvious or drastic in my lifetime. Each side wore their opinions and beliefs on their shoulders and I was glad for that.

The DNC had some great speeches. Clinton, Michelle, Obama, and even Biden's speech were all great stuff indeed. I find myself really enjoying Biden's weird candor when he speaks. He is certainly no great orator, but he comes across like a 1/2 drunk uncle at the family Christmas party that you cannot help but love, warts and all. I liked the aggressiveness in many of the speeches, with Kerry giving a pretty funny and surprisingly strong speech. Where was this Kerry 8 years ago? And that fucking crazy Granholm speech? That was some left field, crazy shit right there with equal parts amazing and crazy/wtf!

Gifford's Pledge of Allegiance was inspiring IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcqsiDQrnv0

So, did you watch them? What are your opinions and observations?

Btw, not only do I think is Obama going to win, but think he will win by a greater electorate vote than the last election.

miir · Post by **miir** » September 7, 2012, 1:20 pm

Never underestimate the power of fear... and stupidity... combined.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » September 7, 2012, 1:35 pm

Fairweather Pure wrote:Btw, not only do I think is Obama going to win, but think he will win by a greater electorate vote than the last election.

I don't know about that. And that can lead to problems when too many people believe that and don't bother to vote because they think it's a sure thing. The Republicans have been doing all they can to change the outcome in most of the key states by changing the rules. I really hope Romney doesn't win but I'm really not so confident given how ignorant a lot of the citizens happen to be.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 7, 2012, 1:58 pm

The democrats are great actors! Star power = your vote

masteen · Post by **masteen** » September 7, 2012, 2:02 pm

miir wrote:Never underestimate the power of fear... and stupidity... combined.

And by the power of racism, we are Captain GOP!

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » September 7, 2012, 2:20 pm

Winnow wrote:The democrats are great actors! Star power = your vote

Agreed. If Democrats cared about the common man, they would have spent a significant amount of time on stage convincing us to vote out house / senate incumbents this winter. In all likelihood, Republicans will take over the entire legislative branch and our democratic president will be the full-time puppet we deserve.

The distraction runs deep, and both sides play their part exceedingly well, every election.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » September 7, 2012, 2:44 pm

Aslanna wrote:
Fairweather Pure wrote:Btw, not only do I think is Obama going to win, but think he will win by a greater electorate vote than the last election.
I don't know about that. And that can lead to problems when too many people believe that and don't bother to vote because they think it's a sure thing. The Republicans have been doing all they can to change the outcome in most of the key states by changing the rules. I really hope Romney doesn't win but I'm really not so confident given how ignorant a lot of the citizens happen to be.

Changing what rules? Changing them back to where they always were before 2008? Requiring people to have an ID to vote because of rampant voter fraud? You have to show a photo ID to pick up your kid from school, but we should just trust you to walk in and vote?

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » September 7, 2012, 2:49 pm

Leonaerd wrote:
Winnow wrote:The democrats are great actors! Star power = your vote
Agreed. If Democrats cared about the common man, they would have spent a significant amount of time on stage convincing us to vote out house / senate incumbents this winter. In all likelihood, Republicans will take over the entire legislative branch and our democratic president will be the full-time puppet we deserve.

The distraction runs deep, and both sides play their part exceedingly well, every election.

Lets be honest here.....we do not want one party taking over all 3 branches again. Quite frankly, I want Obama out before he can riddle the Supreme Court with more heinous choices. The SC is supposed to be a completely impartial group that goes straight off the Constitution....not off their own fucking agenda. If that shithead does win, then I do hope the GOP wins both houses. Lets not forget that the era you all think was the greatest ever was with Clinton in the Oval Office with a full GOP Congress....and that is because it forced them to work across party lines.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » September 7, 2012, 3:30 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Changing what rules? Changing them back to where they always were before 2008? Requiring people to have an ID to vote because of rampant voter fraud? You have to show a photo ID to pick up your kid from school, but we should just trust you to walk in and vote?

Lol. You've been drinking from the FOX fountain again. What rampant voter fraud?

In 5-Year Effort, Scant Evidence of Voter Fraud
By ERIC LIPTON and IAN URBINA
Published: April 12, 2007

WASHINGTON, April 11 — Five years after the Bush administration began a crackdown on voter fraud, the Justice Department has turned up virtually no evidence of any organized effort to skew federal elections, according to court records and interviews.

Although Republican activists have repeatedly said fraud is so widespread that it has corrupted the political process and, possibly, cost the party election victories, about 120 people have been charged and 86 convicted as of last year.

Most of those charged have been Democrats, voting records show. Many of those charged by the Justice Department appear to have mistakenly filled out registration forms or misunderstood eligibility rules, a review of court records and interviews with prosecutors and defense lawyers show.

In Miami, an assistant United States attorney said many cases there involved what were apparently mistakes by immigrants, not fraud.

In Wisconsin, where prosecutors have lost almost twice as many cases as they won, charges were brought against voters who filled out more than one registration form and felons seemingly unaware that they were barred from voting.

One ex-convict was so unfamiliar with the rules that he provided his prison-issued identification card, stamped “Offender,” when he registered just before voting.

A handful of convictions involved people who voted twice. More than 30 were linked to small vote-buying schemes in which candidates generally in sheriff’s or judge’s races paid voters for their support.

A federal panel, the Election Assistance Commission, reported last year that the pervasiveness of fraud was debatable. That conclusion played down findings of the consultants who said there was little evidence of it across the country, according to a review of the original report by The New York Times that was reported on Wednesday.

Mistakes and lapses in enforcing voting and registration rules routinely occur in elections, allowing thousands of ineligible voters to go to the polls. But the federal cases provide little evidence of widespread, organized fraud, prosecutors and election law experts said.

“There was nothing that we uncovered that suggested some sort of concerted effort to tilt the election,” Richard G. Frohling, an assistant United States attorney in Milwaukee, said.

Richard L. Hasen, an expert in election law at the Loyola Law School, agreed, saying: “If they found a single case of a conspiracy to affect the outcome of a Congressional election or a statewide election, that would be significant. But what we see is isolated, small-scale activities that often have not shown any kind of criminal intent.”

Maybe that's new voter fraud since 2007!

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » September 7, 2012, 3:40 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Requiring people to have an ID to vote because of rampant voter fraud?

It's not rampant
at all

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » September 7, 2012, 4:01 pm

Chidoro wrote:
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Requiring people to have an ID to vote because of rampant voter fraud?
It's not rampant
at all

Of course it isn't. That's just the GOP beating their drums trying to justify them making it harder for certain people to vote. It's just a coincidence that a vast majority of those people would be voting Democrat.

Tyek · Post by **Tyek** » September 10, 2012, 12:25 pm

Wish I still cared. I checked out a while ago. I used to think you picked the best person four the job based on your beliefs. Today you are supposed to pick the best Party because "all Democrats are evil left wing socialist trying to steal your home, paycheck and your traditional marriage" and all Rebuplican are "Right wing, neo Nazi, rascist who want to control your bedroom activities."

What I see is a revolving door where the parties work to keep the "good boys/girls" in and sacrifice the ones who may genuinely care or try. We have groups towing a party line that is being controlled by a small but vocal minority of crazy's in each party. The majority of this country does not fit in these beliefs but have swallowed the kool-aide and turned every discussion into noise with no real solution.

My wife said we should spend some time on the election this year with our teenage kids, but I am so done with politics it drives me crazy. Untilnsweeping changes are made, and without revolution that does not happen, this corrupt system is not going to do anything but divide. The politician love the divide because they get paid, do nothing, point at the other party and say, " I want to do something, but that party won't let me." then the cameras turn off and the Dem and Republican go share a beer and laugh at our dumb asses.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » September 10, 2012, 12:45 pm

False equivalence is false.

The past 15 years have shown very clearly that Democrats ARE willing to compromise, but, as last year with the bullshit deficit cap cockjousting that ended up resulting in the debt downgrade, the GOP is not.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » September 10, 2012, 1:02 pm

you are full of shit. there is ZERO compromise with the Dems and they went so far as to lock the doors and write an 8 billion page health care plan that none of the Dems even read all the way through with no input whatsoever from the GOP. There is no compromise at all on either side and has been none since GWB's second term

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » September 10, 2012, 2:02 pm

The past 3.5 years (in particular) of the republicans digging in their heels and holding the country hostage until they've gotten their way you mean?

And the dems largely knuckling under each and every time?

Don't listen to what they're saying, look at their past actions & results. Trickle Down II won't do what they say, Medicare reform as proposed by Ryan is just as daffy. In particular "The Market" isn't some magical price reducing engine.

Similarly, deregulation sounds great until you backtrack and see what they've deregulated and the consequences. Some that come immediately to mind; junk bonds, S&L failures, global banking meltdown*, commodities price increases, environmental impacts, etc... Huge cost to the US as a whole & very profitable to a tiny subset.

The ineffectiveness of the democrats would seem an advantage at this point over the absolute wackiness of the republicans who are organized enough to move their agenda forward to all of our detriment.

*Can track that back in part to the relaxation of lending rules by the democrats and the republicans demand to changes to bankruptcy rules at about the same time. You could almost think they'd caused the global banking meltdown on purpose.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » September 10, 2012, 2:03 pm

You are confusing being out-voted on with not compromising with. which is a typical error made by people of limited intelligence.

but its a typical GOP tactic as of late to refuse to contribute to something and then complain that nobody asked them their opinion. their victim mentality after they get defeated on something is pretty pathetic. I think it was started by fox news.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » September 10, 2012, 2:16 pm

Aabidano wrote:The past 3.5 years (in particular) of the republicans digging in their heels and holding the country hostage until they've gotten their way you mean?

And the dems largely knuckling under each and every time?

Don't listen to what they're saying, look at their past actions & results. Trickle Down II won't do what they say, Medicare reform as proposed by Ryan is just as daffy. In particular "The Market" isn't some magical price reducing engine.

Similarly, deregulation sounds great until you backtrack and see what they've deregulated and the consequences. Some that come immediately to mind; junk bonds, S&L failures, global banking meltdown*, commodities price increases, environmental impacts, etc... Huge cost to the US as a whole & very profitable to a tiny subset.

The ineffectiveness of the democrats would seem an advantage at this point over the absolute wackiness of the republicans who are organized enough to move their agenda forward to all of our detriment.

*Can track that back in part to the relaxation of lending rules by the democrats and the republicans demand to changes to bankruptcy rules at about the same time. You could almost think they'd caused the global banking meltdown on purpose.

They have only "dug in" on certain things. They did not "dig on" on the horrific Supreme Court justices did they? Certain things they have definitely put the brakes on. It is the same with both parties and it is getting worse. Let me be clear when I say I do NOT want full GOP control any more than I want full Dem control. The only way to get the retards to have a bipartisan discussion is to make sure nothing can be accomplished without it. Most of the best economic times have come about with one party in control of the Congress and the opposing faction in the White House.

Hell...the deregulation you are talking about started under Clinton. You won't see me arguing against putting some regulations in place on things that directly impact the entire US economy. I am all for the end of speculating on commodities like oil as well.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » September 10, 2012, 3:16 pm

Since 2000, there have only been 10 cases of in-person voter fraud, the only kind of voter fraud that these disenfranchising voter ID laws will stop. While these voter ID laws will stop another 10 cases of in-person voter fraud from occurring in the next 12 years, they will prevent countless Americans from voting legitimately.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » September 10, 2012, 3:29 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Hell...the deregulation you are talking about started under Clinton. You won't see me arguing against putting some regulations in place on things that directly impact the entire US economy. I am all for the end of speculating on commodities like oil as well.

Exactly, and both of which the republicans recently fought against re-regulating as it would "stifle the recovery". Whose recovery?

Not to derail but look at where Romney's offshore accounts are as "he can't make money in the US"; it's a who's-who of financial systems that are historically incredibly stable due to regulations we refuse to adopt or re-adopt. Something I'd kind of hoped for from the Tea Party & occupy folks before one was co-opted & the other marginalized.

Reagan era policy certainly helped, without Clinton era changes the global meltdown couldn't have happened.

Note the huge profits the banks & others were reaping before the ink on the jointly passed bailouts & stimulus were passed. *Edit - Those that survived anyway.

Neroon · Post by **Neroon** » September 10, 2012, 3:34 pm

Tyek wrote:Wish I still cared. I checked out a while ago. I used to think you picked the best person four the job based on your beliefs. Today you are supposed to pick the best Party because "all Democrats are evil left wing socialist trying to steal your home, paycheck and your traditional marriage" and all Rebuplican are "Right wing, neo Nazi, rascist who want to control your bedroom activities."

What I see is a revolving door where the parties work to keep the "good boys/girls" in and sacrifice the ones who may genuinely care or try. We have groups towing a party line that is being controlled by a small but vocal minority of crazy's in each party. The majority of this country does not fit in these beliefs but have swallowed the kool-aide and turned every discussion into noise with no real solution.

My wife said we should spend some time on the election this year with our teenage kids, but I am so done with politics it drives me crazy. Untilnsweeping changes are made, and without revolution that does not happen, this corrupt system is not going to do anything but divide. The politician love the divide because they get paid, do nothing, point at the other party and say, " I want to do something, but that party won't let me." then the cameras turn off and the Dem and Republican go share a beer and laugh at our dumb asses.

It's like that scene in The Adjustment Bureau. We don't have a choice, we have the illusion of choice. We are forcefed two horrible candidates, and people vote for whoever they think is less horrible. But that's the big lie, they are both equally horrible.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » September 12, 2012, 11:40 am

Obama could walk up to the podium in a Nazi uniform with a Koran in hand and it would not affect my vote. Want to know why? Its no longer a choice about policy or even idiology anymore. Its a choice between sane right leaning centrists and a cabal of rich plutocrats who are trying to control a mass of ignorant hillbilly old white racist crazy people as their only means to power. For fucks sake most of Obamas positions are to the RIGHT of Reagan. Its not about party platform anymore, its about keeping the crazy rich white fucks from fucking the country in the ass permanently with one more round of Jesus approved deregulation and war mongering.

But don't take my word for it. Rove is already steering money to down ticket races all over the place and the batshit brigade is out in full force trying to generate any controversy they can, even abusing 9/11 for this purpose. The mighty righties know that Magic Underpants Mitt is not going to get within sniffing distance of the white house and are digging in for the racist outrage when the kenyan muslim socialist darkie actually gets re-elected.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » September 13, 2012, 2:18 am

Jice Virago wrote:Obama could walk up to the podium in a Nazi uniform with a Koran in hand and it would not affect my vote. Want to know why? Its no longer a choice about policy or even idiology anymore. Its a choice between sane right leaning centrists and a cabal of rich plutocrats who are trying to control a mass of ignorant hillbilly old white racist crazy people as their only means to power. For fucks sake most of Obamas positions are to the RIGHT of Reagan. Its not about party platform anymore, its about keeping the crazy rich white fucks from fucking the country in the ass permanently with one more round of Jesus approved deregulation and war mongering.

But don't take my word for it. Rove is already steering money to down ticket races all over the place and the batshit brigade is out in full force trying to generate any controversy they can, even abusing 9/11 for this purpose. The mighty righties know that Magic Underpants Mitt is not going to get within sniffing distance of the white house and are digging in for the racist outrage when the kenyan muslim socialist darkie actually gets re-elected.

Exactly the same here. Looking at issues I'm more in line with Jill Stein than anyone else (I've taken various versions of those "who do you match" tests and been over 90% in line with her every time), however the reality of it is that either Obama or Romney is going to win, and I can't think of anything more important for Americans to do this year than keep Romney out of the fucking White House.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » September 13, 2012, 9:44 am

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:They have only "dug in" on certain things.

With few exceptions they've opposed everything presented, even things they've previously promoted themselves.

What baffles me is their (congress) constituents aren't making them pay a price for their obstructionism and it's impact to the economy. Worse, they cheer them on showing just how truly clueless they are. Their self-serving budget cockblocks have trashed the stock market multiple times.

That was likely the tipping point for me. They showed they absolutely don't care what happens to the country, it's just a playground game to them.

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » September 13, 2012, 10:56 am

It's almost like they want a civil war.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » September 13, 2012, 12:01 pm

Aabidano wrote:That was likely the tipping point for me. They showed they absolutely don't care what happens to the country, it's just a playground game to them.

Which isn't to say anything positive about the DNC, Pelosi for instance wouldn't seem to be able to lead turds from a burning paper bag on her doorstep. They're just the lesser evil at the moment.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » September 13, 2012, 4:09 pm

She is at least pragmatic and capable of compromise. Put her side by side with Boehner and tell me who is easier to take at their word and reach middle ground with.

Siji · Post by **Siji** » September 13, 2012, 10:46 pm

Leonaerd wrote:It's almost like they want a civil war.

Which in this day & age would never happen. Reference Waco for an example of what would happen to you.

Before you could get enough people mobilized you'd be arrested as a terrorist (which of course means no trial or rights) and/or just flat out murdered.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » September 13, 2012, 11:57 pm

You do have to admire the GOPs ever evolving vocabulary of hidden racism. "Too many brown people" becomes "voting irregularities." The only irregularities are that all those brown babies created due to poor education and shrinking access to family planning are all grown up and aren't voting Republican.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » September 14, 2012, 1:29 am

Odd thing is, most black people I know probably lean to the more conservative side socially. But like most people in this country, they only know what they hear on the news. A black president must be better right? Jokes on them.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » September 14, 2012, 5:04 am

Funkmasterr wrote:Odd thing is, most black people I know probably lean to the more conservative side socially. But like most people in this country, they only know what they hear on the news. A black president must be better right? Jokes on them.

I'm sure all this healthcare and access to the pill and increases to minimum wage are what's holding the black man down in your country. Fight on, brother!

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » September 14, 2012, 6:31 am

Hey now, I wasn't stating that.. Just commenting on peoples perceived views versus reality.

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » September 14, 2012, 11:02 am

Siji wrote:
Leonaerd wrote:It's almost like they want a civil war.
Which in this day & age would never happen. Reference Waco for an example of what would happen to you.

That was a hilarious read. Texas.

From the wiki:

While waiting for the trial, George Roden was put in jail under contempt of court charges on March 21, 1988 because of his use of foul language in some court pleadings threatening the Texas court with AIDS and herpes if the court ruled in favor of Howell

Just like Jesus would have done.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » September 14, 2012, 12:13 pm

Zaelath wrote:I'm sure all this healthcare and access to the pill and increases to minimum wage are what's holding the black man down in your country. Fight on, brother!

The black man as presented by the RNC, television and music or actual "rank & file" black people?

Socially they are, or consider themselves to be quite conservative. They actually were before the breakup of their social structures. Look at all the people who consider themselves Christian yet never set foot in a church or anything else that might be considered Christian.

*Edit - Which reminds me, I've a buddy who owns a small business, worships Bush II and fully buys into the trickle down II "job creator" rhetoric (idiocy). And admits that his decision to hire someone is based on how much extra revenue that person will bring in, or sometimes the potential loss of business that might come from not hiring someone. The owners' paycheck isn't even a consideration.

Siji · Post by **Siji** » September 15, 2012, 8:42 pm

Conservative is the new democrat. Fucking looney is the new republican.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » September 28, 2012, 11:38 pm

Oh look.. Potential voter fraud. Not shocked!

More Fla. GOP voter sign-ups flagged
by USA TODAY feed on Sep. 28, 2012, under USA TODAY News

Source: USA TODAY

At least 10 Florida counties have identified possibly fraudulent voter registration forms turned in by a firm working for the state’s Republican Party, election officials said today.

Problems first emerged earlier this week in Palm Beach County with forms turned in by Strategic Allied Consulting, which the Republican National Committee paid $3.1 million to register voters in Florida and six other swing states. Palm Beach prosecutors are examining 106 voter registration forms submitted by one Strategic Allied Consulting worker, some with apparently forged signatures.

Thursday, the RNC severed its ties to the Virginia firm and filed a voter-fraud complaint.

Florida GOP spokesman Brian Burgess told the Associated Press today, “We are doing what we can to find out how broad the scope is.”

The Los Angeles Times reports that Florida election officials have identified suspicious voter registrations turned in by the state GOP in nine other counties — Lee, Bay, Clay, Santa Rosa, Escambia, Okaloosa, Pasco, Miami-Dade and Duval.

Santa Rosa County elections officials found 100 problematic forms out of about 400 turned in by the state Republican Party. Most did not include Social Security numbers. Others had date of births that did not match the names. Some listed fake house numbers.

“It was that flagrant,” elections supervisor Ann W. Bodenstein told the paper. “In no way did they look genuine.”

“Anyone with any sense would have known there was something wrong,” she said. “Most were changes in current registrations filed in the names of real voters, but signatures were spelled differently than the applicants’ names.”

Vicki Davis, president of the Florida State Association of Supervisors of Elections, told the Times the the number of suspicious applications was unusual.

“There might be an occasional one, but I don’t think we’ve ever had this number of counties that have had this number of cases all at the same time,” she said.

Strategic Allied Consulting was also paid to work in Nevada, Colorado, North Carolina and Virginia. Republican officials in Ohio and Wisconsin had not yet paid the company money the RNC gave them for Strategic Allied’s services.

The company is run by an Arizona-based conservative, Nathan Sproul, a former head of the state GOP. The Times writes that he “has been dogged by charges in the past that his employees destroyed Democratic registrations. No charges were ever filed.”

In an interview Thursday, the Times writes, he told the paper that the Palm Beach problems were the result of one individual and that his firm had offered to help elections officials in other counties identify problems.

The Florida Democratic Party wants election officials to “revoke” the state GOP’s ability to register voters. The deadline is Oct. 9 for the Nov. 6 election.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » September 29, 2012, 12:31 am

Republican elections fraud in Florida? Somewhere Al Gore just shivered.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » October 2, 2012, 1:06 pm

A Pennsylvania judge on Tuesday blocked the state's controversial voter-identification law from taking effect in time for the November election.

Commonwealth Court Judge Robert Simpson said he thought the measure, which would have required voters to show a photo ID at polls, could have kept some people from voting, as opponents of the law had argued.

"I'm still not convinced in my predictive judgment that there will be no voter disenfranchisement," Judge Simpson wrote.

I guess that's one less state Republicans will be able to steal next month. At least legally. I'm sure they'll figure out some way to commit voter fraud there as well.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » October 2, 2012, 1:58 pm

Aslanna wrote:Oh look.. Potential voter fraud. Not shocked!

You don't think they were trying to get caught to put some weight behind the Rep claims do you?

nahhhh

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » October 2, 2012, 2:07 pm

Chidoro wrote:
Aslanna wrote:Oh look.. Potential voter fraud. Not shocked!
You don't think they were trying to get caught to put some weight behind the Rep claims do you?

nahhhh

No. I absolutely do not think that. And anyone who does well... I'd think they were idiots.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » October 2, 2012, 2:10 pm

Last presidential election, out of a group of friends, 9 of them voted 3+ times. Local election around the same time, they voted a minimum of 5 times per person banning smoking in bars and restaurants. Yes, it happens. No, they aren't "illegals." They just told the person at the polling place that they forgot their voter registration cards.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » October 2, 2012, 4:50 pm

Two RNC mailers came yesterday, one slamming Obama for taking however many billions from the insurance companies and putting it towards healthcare, the other praising Ryan for taking those exact same billions and giving them to a different set of insurance companies.

Medicare supplemental policies have become a massive taxpayer rip-off and insurance company boondoggle. They advertise the monthly kickbacks on TV as an enticement to get seniors to sign up.

Now who's pointing fingers about redistributing wealth again?