Newt wins SC

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » January 23, 2012, 5:11 pm

Saw the headline, who in their right mind is going to vote for Newt? From almost any perspective, religious, political, etc.. one of the others is a better choice. To top it all off, in the general election he doesn't have a chance with the middle. I'd vote for Pelosi before I voted for him.

Talking to a co-worker this morning who says "he's a real conservative", when I spoke about what Newt & Co. lead us to last time around I was once again accused of "knowing too much".

He assisted in the prep work to shaft the world economy and will do so again. And then there's those $330k in ethics fines.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » January 23, 2012, 5:28 pm

Says more about SC than Newt.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » January 23, 2012, 5:40 pm

His campaign was pretty much dead back in June or whenever. I honestly don't know how he made a comeback. Is it because GOPers seem to hate Romney that much? "We already had a muslim in the White House we don't want no damn mormons further stinkin up the joint"!

This guy just sucks as a human. Ask his wives. I guess those sort of values have been thrown out the window by Republicans.

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » January 23, 2012, 5:43 pm

He's doing well because republicans love seething, hateful, arrogant white men.

Post by **Sylvus** » January 23, 2012, 6:09 pm

I just like referring to Gingrich as a "serial adulterer".

miir · Post by **miir** » January 23, 2012, 6:22 pm

I really hope Gingrich wins the nom.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » January 23, 2012, 6:49 pm

This is the direct result of two brands of opposing stupidity in direct opposition finally keeping the GOPers from falling in line, like they usually do. The Crispies are willing to overlook Newt banging other women out of wedlock if it means cockblocking the Mormons, because the only thing that they agree with the Mormons on is that they both hate fags (thx prop

, but otherwise see them as a kooky cult. The banksters know that Mitt is their bitch, so they keep throwing money down the rabbit hole to try and buy the win outright. The irony is pretty damn thick there, if you ask me.

Meanwhile, Romney is probably the closest thing to a moderate cannidate and firmly in the pocket of big money interests, even more than Obama. So while Mitt has unlimited money to throw around, he is fighting both hordes of religious wack jobs who hate his version of wack jobery and the politically astute that realize that the general electorate are not going to vote for richer whiter Obama over the original thing, especially since he can't just stop putting his foot in his mouth. The best part of all of this is watching Rove (and others like him) implode because he knows neither of the likely nominees are going to have any shot in the general election, especially the longer this shit flinging contest drags on in the primary. They establishment guys are genuinely pissed because the money guys keep propping up Mitt and the republican voters are desperate for anyone who is not Mitt to get the nomination, so that they can boot the black guy out of the Whitehouse. They also had to torpedo their own attempt to split the black vote because Cain actually started to being a credible contender. Its hilarious to watch all of this shit blow up in their faces, especially when you got Ron Paul still kicking around.

The whole Mitt debacle reminds me of that scene in Blazing Saddles where the hillbilly town mayor says "Ok, we will take the niggers, but not the Irish!" because you are seeing a real heirarchy of how these inbred dumbfucks decide how to vote. Homophobia > Jesus > Being White.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » January 23, 2012, 6:52 pm

The worst part is that idiots like my mother are thinking about voting for him because she wants to back the winner. As if there's some fucking prize for it.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » January 23, 2012, 7:35 pm

Newt's racist rhetoric resonates well with the racist South.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » January 23, 2012, 7:47 pm

I love this Republican race. It is amazing. I can't believe Newt won SC, haha!

Funny Ron Paul video:

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/0a03eb ... -soundbite

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » January 23, 2012, 8:52 pm

masteen wrote:...voting for him because she wants to back the winner. As if there's some fucking prize for it.

I've heard that a few times too. It's not dodge-ball.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » January 24, 2012, 2:02 am

Keverian FireCry wrote:He's doing well because republicans love seething, hateful, arrogant white men.

That's what he said; a real conservative.

I respect Newt because he's a racist, corrupt, arrogant, fat, white, loud mouthed, entitled piece of shit and he is the first person who is gonna admit it. I have to give chops to a guy who sticks to his guns. Although lately he's been acting more like a politician and back pedaling on his racist comments and mea culpa-ing leaving his wife on her death bed for a hotter woman. It's kind of cute that he actually thinks he is going to be the president, much less the nominee. He is like a giant baby, all dewy-eyed and innocent while he re-decorates the oval office in his head.

All the smart republicans have left the race because not a single goddam one of them has a snowball's chance in hell vs. Obama. They are all sitting back and hoping Chris Christie chokes on a ham bone or has a massive heart attack before 2018. I say this in the shadow of saying that no sane democracy would ever elect a draft-dodging, substance abusing idiot as president, much less re-elect him.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » January 24, 2012, 5:54 am

Dude is pretty popular with the conservative crowd. They love love love a fat white man.

Bottome line though.... we are still fucked no matter who is elected.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » January 24, 2012, 10:35 am

kyoukan wrote: I say this in the shadow of saying that no sane democracy would ever elect a draft-dodging, substance abusing idiot as president, much less re-elect him.

Clinton already served his two terms.

He's doing well because republicans love seething, hateful, arrogant white men.

No...no they don't. None of the typical white Christian militia can stand this toolbox. Ron Paul would be the only real choice at all in this election and he has no chance of getting the nomination while the clown car is filled with idiots like Palin, Bachmann, Perry, Gingrich, etc.

The whole debacle reminds me of the ridiculous elections for Governor where they had the porn stars and all the other idiots running...mainly to see their own fucking name in the press.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » January 24, 2012, 11:59 am

Thinking of the general election; in the primary do I vote for:

Gingrich - Unelectable
Paul - Unelectable
Santorum - Unelectable
Romney - Electable but shafts us anyway

Edit - my new voter reg card says NPA, maybe they hired Miss Cleo and saw I voted dem in a couple races last election?

miir · Post by **miir** » January 24, 2012, 12:42 pm

Check out Rick Santorum's CUM!

https://www.ricksantorum.com/unite/

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » January 24, 2012, 6:30 pm

The RNC still hasn't (re)learned the lesson it took so long for the democrats to learn. You at least have to appear to be in the middle if you want to be successful.

The crowd they're focusing on isn't going to vote any other way, no matter who they run. Except maybe some of the Ron Paul supporters, could see a decent subset voting Obama rather than follow the party line behind either Gingrich or Romney.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » January 24, 2012, 7:44 pm

Aabidano wrote:Thinking of the general election; in the primary do I vote for:

Gingrich - Unelectable
Paul - Unelectable
Santorum - Unelectable
Romney - Electable but shafts us anyway

They're all straight-supremacist shills for big business.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » January 24, 2012, 7:52 pm

Spang wrote:They're all ... shills for big business.

Who's gotten a presidential nomination in the last 40+ years that wasn't?

Spang · Post by **Spang** » January 24, 2012, 7:54 pm

Aabidano wrote:
Spang wrote:They're all ... shills for big business.
Who's gotten a presidential nomination in the last 40+ years wasn't?

Exactly.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » January 24, 2012, 7:59 pm

They are not even trying to relate to the "common citizen". At least the wonder twins in 2008 tossed a Joe the Plumber and Hockey Mom beach ball to the crowd. Newt should have at least attempted that bit of tomfoolery because it was pretty obvious the local-yokels bought that shit while touring tornado alley.

Basically, Obama will just sit back and win this easily...then he will sit back and do nothing for 4 more years. A win-win for him. More of the same for us.

The GOP needs to get their shit together and figure out a long term strategy to pull people over from across the aisle, ala Clinton. Can't rest on the Reagan laurels forever, because in-fighting, steamrolling (re: McCain 2000) and pointless pontificating over imaginary stances(re: Mormon et al) just buries it all in a sickly-sweet morass of negative TV ads and nonsensical chirping about "FAMILY VALUES" that makes fuckall sense for running a country.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » January 24, 2012, 8:04 pm

Jimmy Carter, Mike Dukakis, and John Kerry were all canidates that were not corperate shills in the last 40 years. All were Dems, of course. I think the last guy to get the GOP nomination who was not an outright shill for a major corp interest in this country would have to be Ike, though Nixon's bowing down to the oil industry is probably low key enough that if you said him I would not argue the point too much.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » January 24, 2012, 8:21 pm

In retrospect, it would have been good if Kerry were elected.

But not Gore!

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » January 24, 2012, 9:04 pm

Could agree with you on Carter, and maybe Dukakis. Not Kerry though.

I still don't think they're actually going to try to win myself, they're doing much better playing whining martyr.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » January 25, 2012, 2:17 pm

It still floors me that someone who embodies everything negative about the Republican party can garner this many votes.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » January 25, 2012, 3:05 pm

masteen wrote:It still floors me that someone who embodies everything negative about the Republican party can garner this many votes.

Might read into it that perhaps he resembles today's republican the best? Other option is the remaining true believers voting for him are mind bogglingly brainwashed, taking what he says at face value.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » January 25, 2012, 4:03 pm

Commercials in FL are great, assuming the public has a memory at all (debatable) Obama is a shoe in no matter who gets the nomination.

Gingrich is slamming Romney for acting on things his company(s) "paid" Gingrich make legal 15-20 years ago. Just before Gingrich went to work for a lobby firm at $25k\month (iirc).

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » January 27, 2012, 5:11 pm

Haha, just noticed last night the FL teachers union+others are one of the groups running pro-Gingrich\anti-Romney ads.

Likely as sound a strategy as direct Obama support at this stage.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » February 3, 2012, 4:13 pm

I love that song
comeon and sing it with me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9v0Yf9wHlQ

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » February 6, 2012, 11:41 pm

What we need is someone to play their parties games to get the bid as candidate, and win the election. Then once they are in the office, they basically need to commit career suicide by making it their sole mission to wake the American people up and get money out of politics.

Even if we have a president in office that isn't in big business' pockets, it's only a couple year reprieve from the bullshit.

I'm not holding my breath though, the average American person has the brain capacity of a fucking tree frog. Generations of laziness, complacency and ignorance have made these things more than bad habits, they are the American way.

While I don't think he's doing nearly as much as he could be, I'll be voting for Obama this time around. There's no way anyone with a brain and a conscience could vote for anyone the republicans put up.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » February 7, 2012, 4:09 am

I'll only vote for Obama if he comes out in support of marriage equality. I doubt he will, for fear of losing the black vote, so I'll be voting for Gary Johnson, the only serious candidate who supports marriage equality. Gary Johnson doesn't have a good chance of winning, but if he can win the Libertarian nomination and poll at 15% or better, he can be included in the general election debates and make things interesting.

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » February 13, 2012, 3:23 pm

Gary Johnson has no chance of getting elected. All you're doing is taking a vote from Obama and strengthening the chance that our next president is a vehemently anti-gay conservative.

Obama has already made steps in the right direction on gay rights issues and could likely do more in a second term. With the way the states, courts, and popular opinion are leaning on this issue, I'd say in 4 more years he has a good chance of doing more.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » February 13, 2012, 3:29 pm

Apparently Newt is old news.. Santorum surging! (eww) Seriously it's like American Idol or something over at the GOP. They are rotaing through everyone trying to see who makes people's stomachs churn the least? Who will it be in two weeks?

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » February 13, 2012, 3:42 pm

I'm guessing at a Romney\Santorum ticket for a loss right now. Basically a repeat of 2008 except they can tell themselves they tried running a moderate and it didn't work.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » February 14, 2012, 2:00 pm

Keverian FireCry wrote:Gary Johnson has no chance of getting elected. All you're doing is taking a vote from Obama and strengthening the chance that our next president is a vehemently anti-gay conservative.

I'm registered to vote in Tennessee. There ain't no fucking way Obama gets Tennessee.

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » February 16, 2012, 1:06 am

You should move.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » February 16, 2012, 5:10 pm

Keverian FireCry wrote:You should move.

I could register to vote in D.C. if I wanted to, but my vote still wouldn't count.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » February 20, 2012, 9:49 pm

MSNBC seems to be pumping up Santorum now, that's right up there with the FL teachers union supporting Newt

Spang · Post by **Spang** » February 21, 2012, 12:05 am

Probably because Santorum would lose handily to Obama.

Asheran Mojomaster · February 21, 2012, 1:15 am

The current Republican party is dying, literally. They are being controlled by, and focusing on the views of people with an average age of over 50. Most younger people have a democratic mindset, or are way more moderate.

If the Republicans would back off of the Christian ideals that they don't even support themselves, and allow more liberal social beliefs, they could find way more support. I'm 24 and, while I do not agree with the Democrats at all, I could vote for a Democrat. I could not vote for any of the Republicans that are running now, nor could I for any that I've saw in the spotlight since I've been old enough to vote. The only "Republican" I could consider voting for is Ron Paul, and at this point I would be very hesitant to vote for him even.

If this country's current structure lasts much longer, I have a feeling that we are going to go down one of two roads. Either the Republican party is going to completely reinvent themselves (not really good enough in my opinion, but I'll take it), or there is going to be a change in the two party system with the inclusion of some new party or parties rising to the point of having substantial congressional seats and a chance at the Presidency.

I'd honestly prefer for the entire structure to change. It is outdated, bloated, and corrupt.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » February 21, 2012, 2:25 am

Pretty much that. I can't see myself voting for a Republican simply due to their religious views especially in regards to how it will affect their policies on social issues. And all the candidates are the same! I get that some people have found God and Jesus and that's great but keep that shit out of politics. Stick to actual governing issues like the economy, national infrastructure, foreign policy and shit like that. I don't need your governmentally (should be a word!) mandated morality, thanks!

Until they start to break away from the nutjobs they will never ever get my vote and it's not simply due to them being "Republicans" rather than Democrats.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » February 21, 2012, 2:57 pm

That's not going to happen until the fundies figure out that the GOP money machine is only paying lipservice to their stupid religious bullshit in order to maintain the economic status quo. In other words, never, because they're retards who believe what they're told without question or thought.

Asheran Mojomaster · February 21, 2012, 3:12 pm

masteen wrote:That's not going to happen until the fundies figure out that the GOP money machine is only paying lipservice to their stupid religious bullshit in order to maintain the economic status quo. In other words, never, because they're retards who believe what they're told without question or thought.

It will end way before that. The religious organizations supporting them are just as corrupt, and don't really care if they truly believe what they say. They just want power in the political circle to try to enforce their will.

The issue they are going to run in to, and it has already started, is that my parents generation, my generation, and most likely my son's generation do not think that way. I know a lot of older, religious people. People in their mid to late 50s or older. Almost without exception they follow the Republican party, because the leaders of their church, who are as old or older than them usually, say that they should. The leaders of the individual churches are being influenced by others above them, who are also part of their generation or the one before theirs.

Then I know a lot of religious people that are somewhere between my age and my parents (20s-late 40s). While many of them follow the leaders of the church, around half do not. Many of them vote Democrat, or at the very least, refuse to vote Republican. I've talked to a lot of people who agree with a lot of the points the Republicans promote, but cannot in good conscience support them, because many of their views, or what they have done, goes completely against their own morals and beliefs.

When the 50+ generation dies, the current Republican party is going with them.

Again, I'd prefer a complete change in our governmental structure, but losing the fundamentalist Christian right would be a big step forward.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » February 21, 2012, 3:48 pm

I unintentionally listen to Moody radio from time to time, it bleeds into the freq my RF converter is set to if it's turned off.

Some of the things I've heard on there put out as truth are so amazingly whacky there's no way their listeners could ever read the source material they're quoting and come to the same conclusions. Especially for the biblical stuff. You'd think people listening to that station would have a passing acquaintance with what's printed in the bible.

I don't find Glenn Beck or Rush too different to be honest, and I know lots who swallow that line without questioning.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » February 27, 2012, 5:11 pm

Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum called Monday for a wider role for religion in public policy

How about the elimination of religion in public policy? It doesn't belong there. Especially since the US is made up of people from various religous beliefs. What makes your religion the one that everyone else should follow?

masteen · Post by **masteen** » February 27, 2012, 5:29 pm

Aslanna wrote:
Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum called Monday for a wider role for religion in public policy
How about the elimination of religion in public policy? It doesn't belong there. Especially since the US is made up of people from various religous beliefs. What makes your religion the one that everyone else should follow?

God said so. DUH!

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » February 27, 2012, 5:51 pm

Blurb on msnbc said Santorum winning MI almost wraps the nomination for him, Newt pulling out will accomplish the same thing.

Not sure Obama has a lot to worry about come election time at this point, all he has to do is sit back and let any of these guys open their mouth. RNC isn't done losing yet apparently.

Asheran Mojomaster · February 28, 2012, 1:59 am

Aabidano wrote:Blurb on msnbc said Santorum winning MI almost wraps the nomination for him, Newt pulling out will accomplish the same thing.

Not sure Obama has a lot to worry about come election time at this point, all he has to do is sit back and let any of these guys open their mouth. RNC isn't done losing yet apparently.

I really hope so. I mean, I hope Santorum wins the nomination, just so the Republicans are screwed for this election pretty much...but at the same time, he scares the shit out of me. If he somehow wins the election, then we are completely, utterly fucked.

I don't see it happening, but anything could happen. I see a few ways it could go down, and all are horrible.

If someone assassinated Obama after his nomination, but before the election, then the democrats would be in a situation without any automatic replacement. People could possibly blame the Republicans, but depending on how the voting went...it would be dangerous for the election. Though, I think if anyone could assassinate him, it would have happened a long time ago...but with the possibility of him being re-elected, combined with the fact that some of the most fanatical, and plain psychopathic people oppose him...it is a fear I've had for some time.

Also, I've often questioned the results of the polls in various areas. Hell, when my mother went to vote in 2008, they gave her a piece of paper with a PENCIL and wanted her to fill it out and bring it back to them at a table. She pulled out a PEN from her own purse and placed it in a box. However, some other people were actually using the pencil and giving it to the people at the table. I'm still not sold that there isn't a decent amount of tampering done with votes. If a group of people were able to influence enough, it could swing things.

Then there is the chance that a stupidly high amount of fanatical christians will come out to vote VS a smaller amount of sane people. Hopefully events in the recent past will push enough people to get up off of their ass, but I don't have an extremely high amount of faith in the majority of the people in our country.

Of course, out of the 3 scenarios I listed, #3 is most likely...and I really hope that Obama just wins the election. In fact, he most likely will. I just get a chill down my spine when I think of "President Santorum". Hell, Romney would be 100x better than that crazy fuck. At least Romney is not crazy. He isn't that charismatic, and I disagree with most of his views...but I don't think he would destroy the country. I think Santorum could, or at least destroy the little bit of international respect we have regained since Obama became president, on top of probably starting a few wars.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » February 28, 2012, 9:21 am

Asheran Mojomaster wrote:Then there is the chance that a stupidly high amount of fanatical christians will come out to vote VS a smaller amount of sane people. Hopefully events in the recent past will push enough people to get up off of their ass, but I don't have an extremely high amount of faith in the majority of the people in our country.

Catholic != "Christian" in the minds if a large segment of the Jesus crispy crowd, not that they have a clue of the historical reasons behind the attitude. It's just a mishmash of "ebil Catholics!", "ebil liberals!", etc.. But then Mormons are far worse in their minds too so...

The crowd that might put Santorum on the Nov ballot excludes the segment needed to get him in the White House.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 28, 2012, 10:41 am

Romney is expected to win handily over Santorum today in Arizona.

Lots of Mormons here. They overflow here from Utah and Nevada.