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NEW YORK - Gov. Eliot Spitzer has told senior advisers that he had been involved in a prostitution ring, the New York Times reported Monday.
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In 2004, he was part of an investigation of an escort service in New York City that resulted in the arrest of 18 people on charges of promoting prostitution and related charges.
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I'm sure it will come out that he was under deep cover!
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Prostitution is legal in Amsterdam, so I don't really see what the big deal is. Prostitution is one of the oldest businesses going. Is it because he's meant to be "apple pie"? I don't see any particular moral issue with paying someone for sex. Call me old fashioned, not all of us are pussy whipped nancy's that think sex = love.

Now, if he investigates prostitutes and pimps and claims they are evil, while going to a hooker, well....if that's the case, then he's a fucking moron politico who gets what he deserves.

So no big loss either way.
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Update: He apologized, but said nothing of resigning. It's not alleged he was part of the organization, just a client.


I agree with Nick... I think prostitution should be legal and regulated (either enforced or market driven)
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Nick wrote:Now, if he investigates prostitutes and pimps and claims they are evil, while going to a hooker, well....if that's the case, then he's a fucking moron politico who gets what he deserves.
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The way I see it, and all you Bill Clinton Haters should be agreeing with me, the legality of prostitution is irrelevant. I agree with the statement that prostitution should be legalized (are there any states aside from Nevada where this is the case?), I also think that sodomy laws and adultery laws are BS too. The issue is an elected official willingly betraying the public trust by breaking the laws they are sworn to uphold. If the laws are that stupid then they should be working to repeal or replace them.
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Hehe, talking about prostitution, its legal here in denmark, but some people are trying to block it, of course.
The newest stunt, recruit famous people, and let them say why prostitution are bad, then put it on a homepage called "men pick a side", but you can only pick the "im agains prostitution because...." side, cant be for it.
And the big finale, having rich famous pretty people say "sex is not a human right", and "theyll just have to find some other way" when handicapped people speak up about their prostitution user to be able to get sex at all.
Gotta love seeing men swimming in money say that people will just have to do without :)
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Wulfran wrote:The way I see it, and all you Bill Clinton Haters should be agreeing with me, the legality of prostitution is irrelevant. I agree with the statement that prostitution should be legalized (are there any states aside from Nevada where this is the case?), I also think that sodomy laws and adultery laws are BS too. The issue is an elected official willingly betraying the public trust by breaking the laws they are sworn to uphold. If the laws are that stupid then they should be working to repeal or replace them.
I don't think it's irrelevant at all. They are "sworn to uphold" certain laws, but if those laws are bullshit, who better than the man in charge to point it out by leading by example? I'm being silly of course, but the point remains, maybe if people consider the laws instead of the dramatic headlines something useful could come out of it. I personally don't give two shits about the man in question, it doesn't affect me at all either way, but I still think its interesting :P
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Kristen collected $4,300 from Client 9, according to the FBI affidavit. She said that the appointment went “very well” and that “she liked him and did not think he was difficult.”
His career is based on being a hard nosed moral crime fighter bent on cleaning up crime, corruption and "vowing to continue his no-nonsense approach to fixing one of the nation's worst governments. "

He was basically outed by the IRS, who were looking into large and frequent money laundering by an elected figure. If any charges come out of this, it will be related to that if found to be illeagley done.

At least he wasn't difficult.
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It bothers me that he also cheated on his wife. He not only uses tax payer dollars to get his rocks off, because I bet some of those whores were written off as a business expense, transportation, dinners, hotels, gifts, but he was also married. I don't care how old fashioned that makes me. Why is a little integrity too much to expect?

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Nick wrote:I don't think it's irrelevant at all. They are "sworn to uphold" certain laws, but if those laws are bullshit, who better than the man in charge to point it out by leading by example? I'm being silly of course, but the point remains, maybe if people consider the laws instead of the dramatic headlines something useful could come out of it. I personally don't give two shits about the man in question, it doesn't affect me at all either way, but I still think its interesting :P
The problem is that he did not try to change the laws, he broke them. If he had been fighting to have the laws changed, I bet the reaction would be much different. He instead went for the "moral crime fighter" approach that Knarlz mentioned, while he was doing the exact opposite in office.
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I'm really loving the media reaction on this one. Because he is a Democrat, they are acting surprised that prostitution is a big deal. If it was a Republican they'd be trashing him and asking for his resignation. Blatant hipocracy. It's crazy.
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Setting aside the moral implications of him being a married man, why is prostitution illegal? If I'm good at painting houses, you can pay me to paint your house. If I own a snow plow I can charge you to plow your driveway. If I have a voice you can pay me to sing. If I have hands you can pay me to pick apples. If I have a part of my body that turns you on, why can't you pay me to have sex with it? It's not illegal for two people to have sex without paying each other, it's not even illegal for someone to buy someone else dinner and them to then have sex, or for someone to send flowers or other gifts to someone she is having sex with.

You can do it for free, or spend money before in the hopes of it leading to it, or after as a gesture of thanks, but you can't hand that money directly to a person. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:If it was a Republican they'd be trashing him and asking for his resignation. Blatant hipocracy. It's crazy.
We've touched on this before. The Republican party likes to think of itself as the leader in morality in this country. When you take that sort of stance, you take more flak when you get caught breaking those same moral codes and boundries that you claim guide you and make you a better person.

Sex is no big deal to me, even if he is a government official. Drugs or just about any other crime matters greatly to me, but not sex. I think this guy raised flags for some questionable money, not for fucking a whore.
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All politicians argue the same principles and should be treated exactly the same. There is no difference between the two parties as far as moral expectations, except in the minds of liberals, apparently.
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This man was a big morals guy. Huge! All they do is apologize for him. It's pathetic. Plus, in many news stories they didn't even bother to mention which party he was from. If it was a Republican....the title Republican would have preceeded his name every time it was mentioned and typed into the ticker.

You guys really have to be able to acknowledge the liberal bias is major media.

I personally am all for regulated, legal prostitution. That's just a small thing in play here.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:This man was a big morals guy. Huge! All they do is apologize for him. It's pathetic. Plus, in many news stories they didn't even bother to mention which party he was from. If it was a Republican....the title Republican would have preceeded his name every time it was mentioned and typed into the ticker.
That part is true. If not for the mention of the "Drivers License for Illegals" thing I wouldn't have known this guy from Adam.

To his credit (somewhat) he didn't deny it. He just said he was sorry (that he got caught).
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Sounds like he has a kink which is somewhat dangerous (asphyxiation?) and that he had a reputation among the prostitutes of being a wierd, difficult guy to take care of. Makes me wonder if his wife knew about it and told him "hell no, go get yourself a hooker to do that degrading shit - just don't get caught."

From the NYTimes article http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/11/nyreg ... 1205380800
In a wiretapped conversation after the encounter, the prostitute, Kristen, called her booker to inform her that the session had gone well, and that she did not find the client “difficult,” as other prostitutes apparently had, according to the affidavit.

The booker responds that he, in an apparent reference to Client 9, sometimes asks the women “to do things that, like, you might not think were safe.”
That being said, he's probably going to end up in prison for the shuffling of money to pay for this - it'll be interesting to see where he got it. That's the real story to me, why were the IRS and banks interested in the means this money was moved? Hopefully we'll find out... the sex is probably just a red-herring here on top of the real criminality. My guess - campaign and/or government money was laundered into this.

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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:This man was a big morals guy. Huge! All they do is apologize for him. It's pathetic. Plus, in many news stories they didn't even bother to mention which party he was from. If it was a Republican....the title Republican would have preceeded his name every time it was mentioned and typed into the ticker.

You guys really have to be able to acknowledge the liberal bias is major media.

I personally am all for regulated, legal prostitution. That's just a small thing in play here.
I'm not looking for an argument here, but what coverage are you referring to? The coverage I've been watching, mostly MSNBC and CNN, have mentioned his party repeatedly, and have not been in anyway apologetic for him. The news anchors have covered the facts, and most of the opinion guys have been pretty critical of him.

Edit to add: also, the print/web coverage (NYT, WSJ, etc.) I've seen has been consistent with what I've seen on MSNBC & CNN.
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rhyae wrote:It bothers me that he also cheated on his wife. He not only uses tax payer dollars to get his rocks off, because I bet some of those whores were written off as a business expense, transportation, dinners, hotels, gifts, but he was also married. I don't care how old fashioned that makes me. Why is a little integrity too much to expect?

If you're single and using your own money, screw anybody you want.
He's extremely rich and not by being a governor and not from tapping into the campaign funds. It's not your tax dollars that are funding this kind of thing. Personally, I could care less that he did this kind of thing but when you're trying to be a stand-up kind of guy, the hypocracy is irratating.

Mid, there definitely is a bias I would never deny that, however, he has to be forced to resign if he doesn't step down, it's not the media's job. That being said, he was panned pretty heavy in every newspaper in NJ & NY.
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Sylvus wrote:Setting aside the moral implications of him being a married man, why is prostitution illegal?

The only reason prostitution is "bad" is because it's illegal which brings in the bad element (pimps). There's also the issues with assholes who beat women or wouldn't pay (or bad elements in general, not necessarily male) which brings in the need to have safe "whore houses" to offer some protection.

As with pot, legalize it and things would improve. I still don't understand why someone can tell you what you can do with your body (ignoring sexual diseases for a moment)

Also, being married means different things to different people. For the old school, it's a commitment to each other but for others, there very well may be an understanding that a level of sexual freedom with other partners is allowed. I don't like the entire concept of marriage as it's based on religious prejudices. Marriage should be a non government frivolous ceremony with the government only getting involved with civil union contracts, including legal documentation to protect children.

The way politics work, I wouldn't be surprised if Bill and Hillary married and had their kid strictly for political reasons because single politicians with no family life don't get elected very often. I'm not bullshitting here. I think it's a very good possibility and happens more often than we think with politicians.

I'm not knocking the traditional marriage for those that want it. I'd rather see marriage kept outside of government though, replaced with civil contracts being open to any two consenting adults to protect their assets. Separate laws would protect children.

I ran off topic but sexual diseases and exploitation of children are the only two things that concern me with prositution. That's still a problem whether it's legal or illegal though.
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Hmm.. I don't recall the MSM going batshit insane when Vitter got caught diddling prostitutes... and he is still hasn't resigned!

How about that Larry Craig character.. still hasn't resigned.

The only reason they are going crazy is because when a republican does it this day and age, no one cares.. business as usual I guess.
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Have to disagree with you Midnight, this guy is being thrown to the wolves. Mostly due to the blatant hypocracy rather than the sex thing, and for good reason; The guy was putting people in jail for shit he was doing himself.
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I'd never heard of this guy. Is it bad that my first thought was: "He must be a democrat, because when he solicited sex, it was from a woman"?
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The new Democrat party line has been changed to "At least we are banging women." And I am betting you can include Hitlery in that too.
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Last big sex scandals I can remember, by party:

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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:The new Democrat party line has been changed to "At least we are banging women." And I am betting you can include Hitlery in that too.
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He's resigning today.
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Who becomes Governor in that case?

And does he lose his status as a DNC Superdelegate?
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Sylvus wrote:Who becomes Governor in that case?

And does he lose his status as a DNC Superdelegate?
The LT Governor is taking his place.

And yes, Clinton will loose the support of a superdelegate as a result of this.

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That's OK, she can just take some of Obama's pledged delegates, amirite?
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Sylvus wrote:Who becomes Governor in that case?

And does he lose his status as a DNC Superdelegate?

Spitzer will be replaced on Monday by Lt. Gov. David Paterson, who becomes New York's first black governor. He also will be the state's first legally blind governor

A blind Govenor, wtf. I wonder if he knows he's black! <insert Dave Chappell skit here >
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Paterson is also a Clinton supporter, but because he was already a DNC member, he was a superdelegate prior to his ascension to governor. So it's still -1 for Clinton.
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Sueven wrote:Paterson is also a Clinton supporter, but because he was already a DNC member, he was a superdelegate prior to his ascension to governor. So it's still -1 for Clinton.
Correct, i should have been clearer earlier.

The Governor"will still have the superdelegate responsibilities, however, now that there is no LT Governor, that superdelegate is now gone. As they were both Clinton supporters, Clinton is now down 1 superdelegate.
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He was paying upwards of 3k for a couple hours? That better have the best sex of his life.

I understand why he had to pay for it given his high profile, but christ almighty, 3 thousand dollars?!? Pussy is free, free, free! You can't walk down the street without tripping over it, and lord knows every woman over 25 is throwing it at anything that has a job and a pulse. Crazy!
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Fairweather Pure wrote:He was paying upwards of 3k for a couple hours? That better have the best sex of his life.

I understand why he had to pay for it given his high profile, but christ almighty, 3 thousand dollars?!? Pussy is free, free, free! You can't walk down the street without tripping over it, and lord knows every woman over 25 is throwing it at anything that has a job and a pulse. Crazy!
I tend to believe that what he was paying for was discretion. Apparently, this has been going on for years without any of the prostitutes spilling the beans. He got what he paid for.
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http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... D=69041220

Link to the hooker's website. She's a musician, lol.
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Nick wrote:I don't think it's irrelevant at all. They are "sworn to uphold" certain laws, but if those laws are bullshit, who better than the man in charge to point it out by leading by example? I'm being silly of course, but the point remains, maybe if people consider the laws instead of the dramatic headlines something useful could come out of it. I personally don't give two shits about the man in question, it doesn't affect me at all either way, but I still think its interesting :P
Agreed. He was a fine governor, and he did a lot as Attorney General. Maybe it will raise the question why prostitution is illegal.

But maybe I'm biased towards Spitzer ever since he was on the Colbert Report as a judge for Chris Funk vs Colbert.
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The hooker in question certainly doesn't look like she'd be worth several thousand dollars a night.
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She's good looking, but not $4k good looking. The news said some other girls working for this particular establishment went for $25k a night.

Wonder what this does to her career. She apparently lived in a very expensive (to me) NYC apartment.
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I'm just unclear what a hooker can do that's worth 4k a night.
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Those glasses in the first picture killed it for me. They'd look huge on Shaq.
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You guys are too judgmental. I'd hit it for $4000 of ex-Gov. Spitzer's money.
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She's pretty hot, but I wouldn't pay her to suck my dick or anything like that. She's the perfect whore age though. Five or six more years and she'll be hard pressed to give that vagina away. Hooking is a young woman's game!
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lol. You guys crack me up sometimes. Most of the $4k is for discretion. Keeping it a secret.
He's not paying $4k just for sex.
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$3,995 for discretion!


If you've got to pay for "discretion" you're already fucked. There's always someone that will pay a little more to screw things up. The pimp getting the 4K is in it for money so 10K will look even better to them.

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I don't know, I think the girl is pretty damn hot. I would also never even briefly consider the idea of paying for sex, however I agree that it being illegal is silly. If it was legalized and regulated at least it would help spreading disease, etc, and take the danger factor out of it in some cases.
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