Nick wrote:Explain to me how, I am speaking from personal experience. You tell me your first hand experience or facts that disprove what I am saying, or I am far from the stupid one.
No. You forfeited any right to determine the direction of this discussion as soon as you started opening your mouth on unions. Once you start backing up your own retarded one liners then I may (or may not, depending on my mood) give you the benefit of the doubt and start having a discussion beyond !"LOL FUCKING UNION WORKERS ROFL!"
You are the one stating workers don't have the right to fair representation,
you are the clueless shitstain who's spewing moronicisms onto the board about the writer's strike
when you have no fucking clue what's going on and
you are the one failing to understand anything beyond a manicheastic viewpoint for virtually anything on the planet. The onus is on you to justify your stupid posts, not on me to start teaching you primary school education you fucking dolt.
Edit: don't bother replying "I couldn't give a shit about the writers union strikes". You posted your idiocy, therefore you should give a shit enough to defend your own opinion.
You are still misunderstanding the situation, I am speaking from personal experience that you nor anyone else can discredit/disprove, that is better than any bullshit "fact" you could try and throw in my face about what is going on.
Unions are not just bad sometimes, they are corrupt organizations. They are around to help employees about as much as the United Way is to be a charity. Want me to list a few reasons why?:
1- We (being consumers) are the ones that pay for undereducated and lazy people in a retail/union situation to be paid more than they deserve. The reason for that is - wages are driven up by the union, do you think the corporations just take that hit and smile? No, it drives product prices up to make up for the difference.
So because someone has a sub par job and wants to make more money, I pay more. People bagging groceries are making as much as the
specialized support people at my company, that's pathetic.
2- The numerous examples of shady shit that I gave you above- that are already being reinforced by other people. These types of things are not uncommon, they were the norm everywhere I went. People failing drug tests, stealing, fighting, no call/no show, etc etc etc and the union would get them their job back THE NEXT DAY.
I don't have a problem with the Idealistic reason unions are around, but the fact of the matter is that is far from the main thing they do nowadays. They give people leverage to do things they shouldn't be doing and get away with them, and to whine about pay when in most cases they are getting paid what they should.
And that is just for a retail type union, the unions for tradesmen are nuts. Those guys get paid so much more than they deserve in most cases that it makes my head spin. From job site to job site, I would see every type of worker you can think of spending half their day smoking and bullshitting with people, the other half the day they would be working either just hard enough to get shit done on time, or often times they couldn't even meet the simple deadlines they had. And many of these guys were making upwards of 60 or 70 DOLLARD/HOUR, ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? I was not in a union, I knew how to do the basics of everything every one of them did and I busted my ass all fucking day long (usually 12 hour days) and I made a fraction of what they did - I had no union to represent me and I didn't need one, because if you work hard and apply yourself you will be successful without anyone helping you.
I know what I'm talking about, I've given you examples and reasons (multiple times now) but you will just discredit it anyhow because you think you are somehow more informed on this topic, and as wrong as you definitely are - it is your right to think what you want.
And if it is some great reason the writers are on strike then tell me what it is. I strongly doubt I will feel a bit bad for them for whatever reason, but if they are making a penny over 30 or 40k a year I will tell you right now they are over paid.