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Wisconsin and Michigan flipped and are now a projected Biden win.

Arizona - ~500,000 ballots still to count and Biden is only ahead 90,000 or so and that's been trending downwards with each batch released so he can easily lose there.

Nevada - A 7,647 lead by Biden but still 200,000 ballots (estimated) remaining. Nevada sucks and is waiting until noon on Thursday to release numbers. Regardless, that's a tiny lead and also an easy lose.

GA - Biden is 32,000 behind and there's still an estimated 90,000 left to count. This is probably the most interesting one. If Biden picks that up he doesn't need AZ or NV.

PA - Trump's lead dropped to 164,000 with 89% of the votes counted. This is possible to go to Biden but I think Trump will hold on there. I'm not sure on the remaining count there but I think it's around 760,000 at this time. Which now that I think about it is quite a bit.

NC - Not sure why that hasn't been called for Trump yet. Maybe because they accept ballots until 12-Nov as long as they are postmarked by election day but it's not really all that close with 5% remaining.

Regardless, still not a done deal as some think.

One thing that isn't close is the popular vote. Trump losing by 3.6 million. But that's probably fake news. Unfortunately the popular vote means shit in the grand scheme of things.
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#1 think the United States needs is a voting system that allows its citizens to feel confident about the vote count.

This is a problem for all parties. Both sides preparing lawsuits.

Arizona complaining/suing Maricopa county because using Sharpies didnt register and their ballots were rejected. Stupid things like that can be avoided with a digital system for voting.

The Republicans havent been able to observe the vote counting in PA at all and their top official called the election for Biden even before the votes were counted (totally unprofessional/ethical)

I can see why there will be chaos and tons of lawsuits over the next few days no matter who wins. Each state controls how they handle elections. It's not working well.

They should not announce ANY results until 2 days after the national election day. That would give them time to count mail ins and the votes for the walk ins and not present these wild swings we're seeing with the swings in votes from day of and mail in voters. Less opportunity for people to get riled up.

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November 5, 2020, 1:40 pm
#1 think the United States needs is a voting system that allows its citizens to feel confident about the vote count.
Sure.. Get rid of the electoral college to start. Biden is ahead almost 4 million. Hard to fake those sort of numbers.
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November 5, 2020, 2:32 pm
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#1 think the United States needs is a voting system that allows its citizens to feel confident about the vote count.
Sure.. Get rid of the electoral college to start. Biden is ahead almost 4 million. Hard to fake those sort of numbers.
Yeah, the electoral college shouldn't be a thing, winning the popular vote should be all that matters. Exception maybe being if the popular vote is somehow within a margin of error (a couple thousand votes or something) - maybe there needs to be some kind of mechanism considered to handle this. And conservatives need to just deal with the implications of this; which are that they'd essentially never win another election, at least operating as they are now. This would actually be a good thing for Republican voters in the long run, as it would force the party to actually deal with the disconnect between their policies and what their constituents actually care about.

At any rate I need this to be over. This shit is entirely too stressful.

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November 5, 2020, 3:08 pm
At any rate I need this to be over. This shit is entirely too stressful.
I've resigned myself to Trump winning since he always seems to pull things out of his ass with everything he does and seems to keep coming out ahead.

That way there can only be surprise if it ends up not being the case rather than disappointment. Well.. Even more disappointment than 4 more years of Trump but what can you do.
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Another tough election to be happy about.

Pluses: Trump had to go. His party is the better one right now but he's not really a republican and tried to use social media which should be used as little as possible instead of emphasized. I see why he did it because of 9/10 new media outlets leaning toward the left, but his comments were ridiculous.


Minuses:

- Biden looks like he can barely stand, much less speak or carry a sustained thought. Worst presidential candidate I've seen since maybe George Bush Jr. He won't be deciding anything himself and the people that have his ear aren't people I agree with. See below.

- Don't like Harris at all and she will end up being president at some point due to Biden's health (mental or physical, take your pick).

- AOC scares the hell out of me and that's the direction the Democrats are heading along with "The Squad". I'm genuinely very concerned about their socialist movement.

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The nation better hope the Rep Senate candidate wins the run off election (he already won but didn't get 50% of the vote). If the democrats gain control of the Senate, all hell will break loose.

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If you look at the numbers, Trump did way better than any of the corrupt polls thought he would. What that says to me is the nation really would prefer a Republican president and we will have one again in 2024. That Biden "barely" beat out one of the most hated Presidents in history aided by the COVID pandemic (including a lot of Republicans disliking him as well), you can blame Trump for the next 4 years of misery as any other Republican candidate would have won the election, probably easily.
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As for riots, etc. If the far left militias etc feel like the country is leaning too far left, they have more guns, and can provide more organized violent reactions than the left. A type of civil war is still on the table especially if the violent portion of BLM keeps their activities up for some reason, which they probably will after they figure out the democrats have no magic cure for the situation.

My hope is that the Reps keep control of the Senate and I hate to say this, but Biden remains lucid enough to remain president for 4 years. I would also like Pelosi (also 80+ years old along with Biden) be ousted but as bat shit crazy as she is, my concern is someone like AOC get that position. Maybe the dems can find a somewhat moderate replacement for her.

You're going to see the most expensive senate run off election in history in Georgia as control of the Senate is at stake.

TLDR: We will see a rep back in the oval office in 2024. Democrats have no miracle cures for the nation and the huge national dept and COVID cleanup falls on their shoulders, and we all know, voters are "what have you done for me lately" type voters which will flip the presidency and maybe even the house republican in 2024. Note: even with all the Trump hate, democrats ran into some problems in House seat races this year.

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Polls are polls. They were wrong (and I ignore them these days) but that doesn't make them corrupt. Stop forming your opinions based on what Fox News tells you. Honestly I don't know the big deal about polls. I'm going to vote how I vote the polls have no impact on me.

I'm sure Biden will try and work with the Republicans, but if it doesn't work out (and why would it?), hopefully he goes to Executive Orders just like Trump did. Republicans had no problem with it when Trump did it so I'm sure they will be fine if Biden does it.

But of course the Republicans will do just like they did with Obama: make it their mission to make Biden a one term president. Mitch McConnell? Fuck that guy. He's the biggest obstructionist around and it's a shame he was reelected.
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Aslanna wrote:
November 7, 2020, 10:23 pm
Polls are polls. They were wrong (and I ignore them these days) but that doesn't make them corrupt. Stop forming your opinions based on what Fox News tells you. Honestly I don't know the big deal about polls. I'm going to vote how I vote the polls have no impact on me.
When Wisconsin poll has Biden winning by 17% and he actually barely wins by 1%, it's called voter suppression tactics. I don't care if you watch polls or not, others do. In case you don't understand, if a voter thinks there's no hope, they may not vote.You may not be as stupid as the average American, or at least lets hope not.

Biden won't be doing anything he's not told to do by his handlers. It's pretty clear that most democrats or people that voted for him were not doing it because they had confidence in him, it was just the alternative to voting for Trump.

I'd be surprised if none of you see it just by watching him walk across a stage and watching him talk. It doesn't seem like he's all there. I clearly understand why people did not vote for Trump but my god, this Biden guy is going to be a field day for saying stupid shit due to blunders or senility.

If not for the 22nd amendment, Ronald Reagan would have easily been voted in for a third term. By the end of his second, his mind was already failing and he would have been unable to actually function by the end of a third term. Biden is the oldest president elect ever at 77. He doesn't appear to be a miracle of science when it comes to dementia setting in.
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November 7, 2020, 11:03 pm
When Wisconsin poll has Biden winning by 17% and he actually barely wins by 1%, it's called voter suppression tactics.
It called polls being wrong. That's it. But conspiracy theory it all you want.
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When Wisconsin poll has Biden winning by 17% and he actually barely wins by 1%, it's called voter suppression tactics.
It called polls being wrong. That's it. But conspiracy theory it all you want.
It's called voter suppression tactics when you are that far off.

And what's this about Biden saying it was a clear and decisive victory, and I think mandate was mentioned by someone...what? This was far from a clear victory. This was way closer than everyone expected it to be. There was no "blue wave" with Democrats actually losing seats in the House. Biden won but I don't think it was because people actually agree that much with the democrat's platform. It's primarily due to the hatred of Trump. Not clear at all. There certainly was no mandate by the American people. Trump, not really a true republican who even threatened to run Independent at one point was disliked by a large number of republicans as well. Lets not confuse that with love of the socialist movement going on with the democrats.

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Voter suppression tactics! Where do you even get this stuff from? Other than out of your ass.
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Aslanna wrote:
November 7, 2020, 11:14 pm
Voter suppression tactics! Where do you even get this stuff from? Other than out of your ass.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_suppression

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I know what voter suppressions is. But I don't understand how incorrect polls qualify as that. But if that's what you believe I feel sorry for you.

If you want to talk about voter suppressions... How about taliing about the gerrymandering Republicans have been doing.. Or thevoting voting rights act... Or even the war against mail in voting that Trump and his USPS stooge tried to wage.
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I know what voter suppressions is. But I don't understand how incorrect polls qualify as that. But if that's what you believe I feel sorry for you.
Think of it like a traffic report. If you hear there is congestion or an accident on your normal route to work, you're more likely to take another route or even stay home. It doesn't take a brain surgeon here. Don't be feeling sorry for anyone, just work it out in your head and you'll figure it out.

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So let's see.. The polls in 2016 said Hilary Clinton was going to win. Yet she didn't. Polls this year said Biden would win and he (barely) did.

So which is it?

I feel sorry for anyone swayed by a poll because they can't think for themselves.
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I don't know why you're engaging him on this. There's so much wrong with what he's saying, and his worldview in general that it would take all day to unpack it.

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Aslanna wrote:
November 9, 2020, 11:52 am
So let's see.. The polls in 2016 said Hilary Clinton was going to win. Yet she didn't. Polls this year said Biden would win and he (barely) did.

So which is it?

I feel sorry for anyone swayed by a poll because they can't think for themselves.
Win by 17 points? Not even close. Polls were wrong with Hillary as well. Seem to be wrong in favor of democrat candidates. Hmmm. I don't think they said Hillary was going to win by 17 points. Voter suppression!

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If there's any voter suppression happening it's being done, or at least tried to be done, by Republicans in many states who were trying to stop mail in voting. Even Trump himself by appointing a stooge to the USPS to try and sabotage the mail system right before an election. Then there's the matter of Republicans not allowing the mail in votes to be counted before election day in some states.

I'm curious if you think there was widespread voter fraud like Trump is claiming. It's funny even Fox News cut off the press conference from the Trump campaign.

Not so fast! lol
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I don't know why you're engaging him on this. There's so much wrong with what he's saying, and his worldview in general that it would take all day to unpack it.
It's a Monday and I was bored. But I don't plan on spending that much more time on it.
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Until the official TPS reports are turned in, nothing is official.

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I'm curious if you think there was widespread voter fraud like Trump is claiming. It's funny even Fox News cut off the press conference from the Trump campaign.

Not so fast! lol
No response from Winnow on this one so I am going to say that's a Yes and he is buying what Trump, and his complicit Republicans, are selling.
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Lets at least wait for the recount in Georgia.

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Why? Trump gets Georgia (as well as NC) and he's still not 270. Why the keen interest on Georgia?
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Republican leaders in Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin throw cold water on ploy to flip electors to Trump

Republican leaders in Michigan and three other critical states won by President-elect Joe Biden say they won't participate in a legally dubious scheme to flip their state's electors to vote for President Donald Trump. Their comments effectively shut down a half-baked plot some Republicans floated as a last chance to keep Trump in the White House.

State GOP lawmakers in Michigan, Arizona, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin have all said they would not intervene in the selection of electors, who ultimately cast the votes that secure a candidate's victory. Such a move would violate state law and a vote of the people, several noted.

"I do not see, short of finding some type of fraud — which I haven't heard of anything — I don't see us in any serious way addressing a change in electors," said Rusty Bowers, Arizona's Republican House speaker, who says he's been inundated with emails pleading for the legislature to intervene. "They are mandated by statute to choose according to the vote of the people."

The idea loosely involves GOP-controlled legislatures dismissing Biden's popular vote wins in their states and opting to select Trump electors. While the endgame was unclear, it appeared to hinge on the expectation that a conservative-leaning Supreme Court would settle any dispute over the move.
I would say way to finally show a backbone, Republicans, but they are literally just following the law. Although yeah I guess they have trouble even doing that sometimes.

It is sad though how desperate they are. They couldn't win by rigging the election (by Trump trying to cripple USPS) so now they are trying other schemes. And Trump is being a big baby by not conceding and continuing to throw out conspiracy theories that so far have had zero basis in fact that do nothing other than to rile up his followers. And if they haven't found anything by now they never will: because there isn't anything to find.
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Despite how almost universally hated he is, it says a lot about the Democrats that he made it this close. No one really wants their socialist BS. Expect a republican back as president in 2024 with them potentially taking both the House and Senate as well. Reps should hold onto Senate and they gained seats in the House this round. Don't even be surprised if it's Trump back as President again in 2024 (I hope it's not Trump but could easily happen). These next 4 years were/are going to suck no matter who was in office.

As for recounts, when someone wins less than 50% of the vote and the margin of victory is less than half a percent, a recount isn't a ridiculous request. Georgia did the right thing.

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Nobody is saying a recount in GA isn't the right thing. But the reasoning should be how close the results were and not that it was RIGGED and the election was STOLEN despite there being zero evidence being presented after two weeks in any of the states Trump sent his lawyer lackeys. That kind of shit isn't good for the process as a whole and has his dumbass cult followers out there chanting "STOP THE STEAL". What a bunch of maroons.

I'd be worried about a Republican being in charge of elections there, and he has done some questionable things in the past, but the dude seems to actually be non-partisan when it comes to his job duties in this particular election. When you have Republicans asking for you to resign for doing your job and not giving into their demands because your guy lost you must be doing something right.

Regardless, even if, and that's a big if, Trump wins GA he's still under 270 and thus still lost. So concede already, you sore losing sack of shit. If Republicans weren't such cowards there would be more of them tell him he lost and to accept it like an adult and not a big orange baby.
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Shady stuff going on. California Democrats plan to move and vote in Georgia run off. Anomalies in Nevada ballots.

Based off what I've seen from BLM and other liberal organizations, they are the fanatics. Civil war is approaching. Wish I was joking. The switch is getting really close to triggering and setting off the right wing militias. If they decide to get as crazy as the BLM etc have been with their actions, things will get out of hand fast. My money's on the right winning that battle. Way better armed and organized. With all the stupid defund the police bullshit and general disrespect of police, I know who's side they'll be on.

I can't fucking stand the direction the Democrats have been heading. Out of control.

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Shady stuff going on. California Democrats plan to move and vote in Georgia run off. Anomalies in Nevada ballots.
If someone wants to move somewhere that's their right. And if they are a resident they can vote. How is that shady?

Also, if they move there, vote, then immediately move back to CA for no good reason they'll probably end up going to jail:
Brad Raffensperger, the Georgia secretary of state, has warned out-of-staters that it is a felony to relocate temporarily to Georgia for the sole purpose of voting in the runoff, punishable by up to 10 years in prison.
So if you really think enough people will do that to make a difference you got a screw loose.

Based off what I've seen from BLM and other liberal organizations, they are the fanatics. Civil war is approaching. Wish I was joking. The switch is getting really close to triggering and setting off the right wing militias. If they decide to get as crazy as the BLM etc have been with their actions, things will get out of hand fast. My money's on the right winning that battle. Way better armed and organized. With all the stupid defund the police bullshit and general disrespect of police, I know who's side they'll be on.
You really should try getting out of your bubble sometime. Are you getting all your news from FOX, Twitter and Facebook?
I can't fucking stand the direction the Democrats have been heading. Out of control.
I can't fucking stand the direction the Republicans have been heading. Out of control.

Oh hey look how that works.
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You really should try getting out of your bubble sometime. Are you getting all your news from FOX, Twitter and Facebook?
I typically have CNN and FOX web pages pulled up side by side. It's the only way to get both extreme angles that most people are only getting one side of.

I don't use Facebook or Twitter. I don't have actual accounts for those. I do use a Fake facebook acct just for game logins (a lot of phone games require it for logging in) but never have to visit the facebook page or see any news from it.

Glad to see a partial recount in Wisconsin. Maybe PA next! I don't care if Trump wins but I do question the validity of our voting system and don't trust it. Recount away even if it comes back with same results!

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Glad to see a partial recount in Wisconsin. Maybe PA next!
You do know that it wasn't due to any irregularities but was requested and paid for by the Trump campaign for the tidy sum of $3 million?

Hillary gave up too easily. She should have started sending lawyers everywhere. Maybe we wouldn't have the idiot that current is there. I mean.. If the Democrats could rig an election surely the Republicans could as well. They are definitely the better cheaters.
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Georgia confirms Biden victory and finds no widespread fraud after statewide audit
So that's what.. 1 down and 20 more to go? But as that was just an audit I'm going to say 100% Trump will now request a recount. Their strategy now isn't to just get a recount because that won't change anything other than maybe a couple thousands votes either way but also to get some ballots tossed out so that they are not counted at all.
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State judges in Arizona and Pennsylvania and a federal judge in Georgia rejected election-related lawsuits Thursday from Republicans and the Trump campaign.

One of the judges, a Trump appointee in Georgia, called the attempt by Republican-allied lawyers to block election results "quite striking," refusing their attempt to stop Biden's win there.
Exactly. Republicans are trying to steal this election. Stop the Steal, people!
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I watched their press conference yesterday about our supposedly compromised voting software made by Chavez, etc etc. These people are fucking dangerous - honestly at this point Trump and most of the people around him should be executed for treason. Preferably you just line them all up in like rows of 5 and try to take a few out at a time with a 50 cal round to waste as little money as possible on them, too. Of course this should be broadcast globally in stunning 4k so everyone can see what happens when you try to demolish our democracy, and attempt to stage a coup.

I hope the Democrats get their shit together better and mobilize more voters in midterms going forward. If they do and they can get rid of the electoral college, Republicans won't ever win another election. I'm sure there would be an eventual uprising by the white fucking trash out there like Winnow, but hey, no one's going to cry over having to put down a couple hundred thousand pieces of white trash in a uprising. I'd be happy to help thin the herd if it comes to that.

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Hugo Chavez! What are those people smoking. It's funny they already threw that nutcase Sidney Powell under the bus. "Nah.. She wasn't with us". O rly?

Hey everyone in case you forgot, Trump, and his Republican stooges, are still trying to subvert the election.

I'm glad some Republicans have come out and told Trump to cut that shit out but there's still a surprising amount, including Winnow apparently, that want to win at any cost even if that cost is democracy itself. Trump has done long-lasting damage to elections in this country whether you want to agree with that or not.

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Georgia confirms Biden victory and finds no widespread fraud after statewide audit
But as that was just an audit I'm going to say 100% Trump will now request a recount.

Called that. Not like it should have been a surprise to any amount of people over zero.
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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016

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Funkmasterr wrote:
November 20, 2020, 12:07 pm
I hope the Democrats get their shit together better and mobilize more voters in midterms going forward. If they do and they can get rid of the electoral college, Republicans won't ever win another election.
Oh yeah, getting rid of the electoral college and having the mass poor lazy fucks in big cities determine our elections based on how big their welfare checks will be is a great idea!

Trump may be a clown but the democrats are insane. They are extremely lucky Trump (the person) is President as otherwise they wouldn't have even come close this election.

I remind you, the democrats LOST seats in the House. There is no mandate to become a socialist nation. Trump will be out of office and he deserves to be booted because he's a clown but no fucking way liberals gain ground after he's gone. How do you lose seats when Trump is leading the Republican party? No one wants your fucking crazy BLM shit and big government. Trump is a clown but has some intelligence, BLM followers are morons. (BLM = woke idiot white house moms, nothing to do with any actual injustices) Can't wait to see the shit show when these assholes realize they aren't getting what they want no matter who is in office. Only possible thing Biden could do right is pull a Roosevelt New Deal and create jobs making these welfare fucks and illegal aliens dig ditches improving our infrastructure to earn their loaf of bread. I fucking despise the freeloader mentality.

All those Trump haters won't be voting for sleepy Joe or more likely Harris after Biden is removed from office due to senility because he was the only other option next time. I hate politics in general but I really hate these "woke" fools. Self pitying fucks. Enjoy your next 4 years, I hope the Republicans keep the Senate and fucking stonewall everything and all Pelosi needs to do is remain her ancient incompetent self to seal the deal for a swing farther right in the 2022 and 2024 elections.

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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016

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It sounds like Winnow has at least made it to the "Acceptance" phase that Trump has lost the election (although I'm sure he still thinks it was RIGGED and the election was STOLEN). Too bad Trump hasn't done the same.
Winnow wrote:
November 26, 2020, 5:30 pm
I hope the Republicans keep the Senate and fucking stonewall everything
And this is exactly why you and dumbfucks like McConnel are the problem. Why turn this into a team sport? The goal should be government by the people FOR THE PEOPLE. Too bad you can't remember simple third grade lessons like that.

Beyond that, Executive Orders, bitch!

Perhaps Republicans should have done something to try and reign those in when they had the chance. Oh well.
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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016

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Aslanna wrote:
November 26, 2020, 10:19 pm
It sounds like Winnow has at least made it to the "Acceptance" phase that Trump has lost the election (although I'm sure he still thinks it was RIGGED and the election was STOLEN). Too bad Trump hasn't done the same.
Winnow wrote:
November 26, 2020, 5:30 pm
I hope the Republicans keep the Senate and fucking stonewall everything
And this is exactly why you and dumbfucks like McConnel are the problem. Why turn this into a team sport? The goal should be government by the people FOR THE PEOPLE. Too bad you can't remember simple third grade lessons like that.

Beyond that, Executive Orders, bitch!

Perhaps Republicans should have done something to try and reign those in when they had the chance. Oh well.
Yeah, pretty sure I made it clear how much I care about his opinion. I am all about some execute orders to undo the damage Trump has done to this country, and if McConnel is going to act like a fucking man child and block things for no reason, HOOKERWHORESLUT a few more executive orders around. All that said, I hope a lot of the weaknesses in this democracy that Trump has exposed get addressed in some meaningful way; I don't want Democratcs/Republicans/Whoever else being able to just completely ignore all the legal systems in this country while systematically taking apart our institutions piece by piece. The scary thing isn't Trump; he's an absolute fucking moron - what scares me is someone else much smarter than him coming along and really breaking things.

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