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Am I the only one that's abso-fucking-lutely sick of the Adam-fanboism going on with this season? My mother, who's a die-hard fan of Adam, even called bullshit last night after the craptastic duet between him and Allison got rave comments. Can anyone seriously say they're interested in buying an album of Adam screeching through every song? Really?

imo last night was a wash. Everyone kind of sucked. Horrible song choices. Unfortunately, I predict it's going to come down to Chris and Danny tonight. The judges seem to have viagra induced hard-ons for Adam and Allison.
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I don't watch American Idol.
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Yeah, I have really only been catching the results shows for the most part cause my girlfriend stopped watching the episode where they actually perform, but this show is so predictable it's sad.

I HATE. Again, HATE the whole I'm alt/goth/emo look at me and how different I am bullshit, it makes me sick and the LAST thing this music industry needs is another fucking Fallout Boy type like that Adam douchebag. He is complete garbage and should have been gone long ago.

The girl is in the same boat as far as I'm concerned. She is trying too hard to be different, although I'll give her a little bit more slack since she's like 12 and has no idea who she is yet. I also detest the Bonnie Raitt type singing she tries to do, she reminds me of the girl with the skunk stripe in her hair from last season (amanda?) who was equally annoying and did the same shit.

I was glad to see the Justin Timberlake wannabe go home, because well, Just Timberlake is one of the most worthless beings walking the face of this planet and dressing/singing like him should most certainly not get you anywhere in life.

They also took way too long to get rid of Lil' Rounds (what kind of a name is that, lol) - the wavery (I don't know the technical term) voice thing that Whitney Houston and many black women seem to do in R&B type music is obnoxious at best, and that seems to be about all this girl could do.

Honestly, the closest anyone comes to deserving to win is the Ryan Phillipe looking guy (danny I think?), and I say that knowing full well I'd have no interest in any music he made. How many different singers do we need to hear sing about their girlfriend cheating on them? R&B music should go away :(

They also need to get rid of the new judge, she is one of the more annoying tv personalities ever. I think I should stick to the first couple weeks and listen to Simon bash everyone then avoid the show like the plague, cause I hate pop music and rarely think a single contestant is actually worthy of a record deal.
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I find Adam to be very over the top and annoying. There is just something off about him!
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Adam is the most self-indulgent ass I've ever seen on this show (when I catch my wife watching it. I pretty much only watch 24 on teh Intraweb! and kids shows with my daughter). His cover of Ring of Fire made me want to puke.
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Funkmasterr wrote:How many different singers do we need to hear sing about their girlfriend cheating on them? R&B music should go away :(
I'm not an avid fan of R&B music, but I do like some. I just wanted to point out that you can say the same thing about Country music, or probably other genres too.

I also hate this show with a passion, but am forced to watch (more like listen) since I play the computer near the TV she watches it on. I actually don't like the early shows because there's so many bad people and listening to bad people pretend they don't realize they're fucking awful, or are actually retarded enough to not realize they are awful, simply isn't that enjoyable anymore to me. I think it'd be like taking Dollhouse and never deviating from the first episodes formula, or say House, where there's nothing but the exact same mission/mission resolved or diagnosis needed/diagnosis resolved type shit over and over with no new elements. That's what American Idol is to me, finding a shit load of bad people, pulling a handful of "ok" people and doing it every year.

Every once in a while somebody puts on a decent performance, but half the time I think they either vocally suck, or their artistic impression of the song they chose sounded horrible.

I don't know who I'd pick right now between the four, the last 3 or so weeks I'd pick one that was Ok, only to have them sound terrible the following week.
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Psyloche wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:How many different singers do we need to hear sing about their girlfriend cheating on them? R&B music should go away :(
I'm not an avid fan of R&B music, but I do like some. I just wanted to point out that you can say the same thing about Country music, or probably other genres too.

I also hate this show with a passion, but am forced to watch (more like listen) since I play the computer near the TV she watches it on. I actually don't like the early shows because there's so many bad people and listening to bad people pretend they don't realize they're fucking awful, or are actually retarded enough to not realize they are awful, simply isn't that enjoyable anymore to me. I think it'd be like taking Dollhouse and never deviating from the first episodes formula, or say House, where there's nothing but the exact same mission/mission resolved or diagnosis needed/diagnosis resolved type shit over and over with no new elements. That's what American Idol is to me, finding a shit load of bad people, pulling a handful of "ok" people and doing it every year.

Every once in a while somebody puts on a decent performance, but half the time I think they either vocally suck, or their artistic impression of the song they chose sounded horrible.

I don't know who I'd pick right now between the four, the last 3 or so weeks I'd pick one that was Ok, only to have them sound terrible the following week.
Yeah, I hate country too, and it all sounds the same to me, but to be honest nothing is as bad as R&B.. It's literally the same song over and over again.

I'm with you on this show.. I get half sucked into it cause I play 360/PS3 on the tv next to the one she watches it on and it just ends up annoying me for the most part.
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Psyloche wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:How many different singers do we need to hear sing about their girlfriend cheating on them? R&B music should go away :(
I'm not an avid fan of R&B music, but I do like some. I just wanted to point out that you can say the same thing about Country music, or probably other genres too.
Such as rap and hip-hop. Those suck and I'd be glad to never hear any again! They should just go away.
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Aslanna wrote:
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Funkmasterr wrote:How many different singers do we need to hear sing about their girlfriend cheating on them? R&B music should go away :(
I'm not an avid fan of R&B music, but I do like some. I just wanted to point out that you can say the same thing about Country music, or probably other genres too.
Such as rap and hip-hop. Those suck and I'd be glad to never hear any again! They should just go away.
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as a part of my job I get to meet this Brooke White chick from last season next week.

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Siji wrote:Am I the only one that's abso-fucking-lutely sick of the Adam-fanboism going on with this season?
a-motherfuckin-men. I haven't liked him since the beginning. I appreciate his technique, but other than Mad World, I've hated every single one of his performances. I actually really liked Allison (though I also hated the duet). I'm not usually a fan of 17 year old kids but that chick's got pipes. My favorite bar none is Kris. The fact that he did Falling Slowly (Once) for Movie Soundtrack week cemented my theory that he's the only moderately relevant person on the show.
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Because your wife dying is the same thing as her cheating on you.. idiot.

Agree with you laneela about Kris. I'd really like to see him and Danny in the finale, and I could see buying both of their albums. I was glad Allison got the boot - I was wondering how she was allowed to remain anyway as I'd heard she won a vocal contest previously in her home country and got $50k and a recording contract.. The girl can sing though, no doubt about it. I see Kris being a mix of John Mayer with a touch of Dave Matthews when he comes out. I think it's going to be good stuff. Danny, I'm not sure to be honest. But he's got a decent voice when he's in his element.

Unfortunately, I predict Adam to win and put out an album that sells because he's the newest 'Idol'. But shortly afterwards nobody giving a rats ass about him (Taylor Hicks anyone?) because he screeches every song thinking it's so cool. He's no Rob Halford and while he has range, he doesn't know when to hold back and just sing a song.
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Hahahahaha... I called this for Kris all week, and no one I know agreed with me. I knew that a majority of Danny's votes would go to Kris and he'd pick up the win, especially since they were only a million apart last week. I hated Lambert, but he'll still make plenty of money from the single album he'll put out before no one cares about him anymore.
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I loved Adam :D

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I was so happy when he lost too. I also think he probably lost the 15 year old girl vote around the time they found out he is gay.

The bikini girl thing was f'ing hilarious, btw.
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Fash wrote:Hahahahaha... I called this for Kris all week, and no one I know agreed with me. I knew that a majority of Danny's votes would go to Kris and he'd pick up the win, especially since they were only a million apart last week. I hated Lambert, but he'll still make plenty of money from the single album he'll put out before no one cares about him anymore.
Interesting stats if I remember correctly, 38 million of the nearly 100 million votes came from Kris's home state. Also kind of odd that they didn't give any indication on the show as to the difference in votes between the two (which leads me to believe it was embarrassingly large).

It was also pretty shitty that Simon didn't stand up with the rest of the judges when Kris was announced the winner. I got so sick of them all being up Adam's ass all season. It's going to be sweet satisfaction when Kris's CD sells like hotcakes and nobody buys Adam doing fucked up acid trips of Ring of Fire. My prediction is that BOTH Kris and Danny (and probably Matt as well) will sell more CDs and be around longer in the public eye than Adam will. Adam will do theater and do well there.

This really was the best finale show they've ever done.

BTW: Has anyone been able to find on iTunes any mention of David Cook's performance for charity being available for sale? I've been looking and can't find it anywhere.
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Siji wrote:Interesting stats if I remember correctly, 38 million of the nearly 100 million votes came from Kris's home state. Also kind of odd that they didn't give any indication on the show as to the difference in votes between the two (which leads me to believe it was embarrassingly large).
It also points out that the format of the show is largely a pointless advertising circle jerk. You can vote as many times as you like (a lot of people take it to extreme) and state legislatures are recommending that their constituents vote for the kid from their state, so it's more of a marketing/campaign exercise in futility. A step in the right direction would be to limit each phone number to one vote, and even then it's still a bad indicator. I'd rather a larger judging panel (like 10-15) who vote for who they want to kick off each week, and the public can go screw.
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Fash wrote:A step in the right direction would be to limit each phone number to one vote, and even then it's still a bad indicator. I'd rather a larger judging panel (like 10-15) who vote for who they want to kick off each week, and the public can go screw.
I think part of the pull, is that people really think they influence the outcome, I'm just not sure it would be as appealing if people didn't have that illusion of control over their show. Maybe they could say a judge's vote is worth x amount of people voting, based on the amount of people who voted? I don't know. Why am I thinking of ideas for this show :(
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A step in the right direction....
American Idol is the most watched show on TV for the last 5 years...
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Lol... no kidding. I wasn't advising the right direction in terms of viewership or success, just a better way to pick real talent.
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Fash wrote:Lol... no kidding. I wasn't advising the right direction in terms of viewership or success, just a better way to pick real talent.
That's the problem, the winner of this show generally has very little actual talent, they usually fade away pretty quick (with what, 1 or 2 exceptions?). It's more about what the teenagers want to see.
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I'm sorry, I should have clarified. No one that wins American Idol matters to people that aren't caught up in stupid pop culture and shitty pop music. I mean, it's cool if you like pop rock and everything, don't get me wrong....
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I'm sorry, I should have clarified. No one that wins American Idol matters to people that aren't caught up in stupid pop culture and shitty pop music. I mean, it's cool if you like pop rock and everything, don't get me wrong....
It's all about finding a pop star. What did you think it was supposed to be for?
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Boogahz wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:
I'm sorry, I should have clarified. No one that wins American Idol matters to people that aren't caught up in stupid pop culture and shitty pop music. I mean, it's cool if you like pop rock and everything, don't get me wrong....
It's all about finding a pop star. What did you think it was supposed to be for?
I would like to think that one of the shows about talent could actually be about finding the most talented individual.. I know that's now how it works but I can hope.
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But it's about finding pop talent. The original show from Britain is called "Pop Idol", I believe.

I think your talent-meter is broken. These people are talented, they just aren't your (or my) style.
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Sylvus wrote:But it's about finding pop talent. The original show from Britain is called "Pop Idol", I believe.

I think your talent-meter is broken. These people are talented, they just aren't your (or my) style.
This statement is so true and it's probably why I and others have such a problem with the show, I just don't like Pop music most of the time. I don't even know why I suggested the thing about judges having a vote to somewhat equal out with viewer's votes.

The show is about finding a pop star and to me, a pop star is a no or half-talent assclown who is usually physically appealing to a large demographic of teens, tweens or trailer trash who is paired with a great pop producer and advertisement. This show, for what it is supposed to be, really is quite awesome, I just happen to not be it's target audience.

I guess my biggest gripe is they talk about talent when I think what they are looking for requires almost none on the part of the contestants.

Edit: Wait, it does take enough balls to not completely fuck up on stage, because it's GOT to be nerve wracking. I will definitely give them credit to the fact that every week they're being watched by the nation, if not more, this means any embarrassing mess ups will follow them for a long time to come. I don't know if I could really do that, and I'm not usually embarrassed talking in public.
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Off the top of my head Carrie Underwood (Country) and Daughtry (Rock) come to mind, but there are certainly more. It's not just "pop" music. Saying either of them (or the majority of the top 5 of any season) aren't talented is silly as well. When you're on that stage and can pull off not forgetting lyrics, hitting all the right notes and not pissing yourself, let us know.
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Siji wrote:Off the top of my head Carrie Underwood (Country) and Daughtry (Rock) come to mind, but there are certainly more. It's not just "pop" music. Saying either of them (or the majority of the top 5 of any season) aren't talented is silly as well. When you're on that stage and can pull off not forgetting lyrics, hitting all the right notes and not pissing yourself, let us know.
It's definition of true talent that I think is the breakdown here. I am not trying to claim it takes no talent to sing on stage, not let nerves wreck your performance, etc (I know I couldn't do it). However, truly talented musicians write their own music, lyrics, explore new ideas, etc - they don't get their career through a tv show or through a boy band camp like Backstreet Boys. I would venture a guess that not a single winner of that show falls into that category.

FYI, I would consider Daughtry for sure, and probably Underwood too to be pop music. Just cause it isn't mmmm'bop or wannabe doesn't mean it isn't pop music, I think your definition of pop might be out of whack.
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Fash wrote: It also points out that the format of the show is largely a pointless advertising circle jerk.
I was walking with my 3 year old son the other night. We walk past a Ford and he runs up to the emblem and says, "Look dad, an American Idol!" I was floored.
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Siji wrote:When you're on that stage and can pull off not forgetting lyrics, hitting all the right notes and not pissing yourself, let us know.
See the end of my post, just to let you know.
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I don't know why "pop" has such a negative connotation. IMO, there's good pop (Keane, Jason Mraz, Rilo Kiley, Justin Timberlake, Lily Allen, Adele - to name a current few) and there's bad pop, just like with every other genre. That it may not be to one's liking is one thing, but there are tons of talented "pop" stars. Also, there's a handful of American Idol contestants that have had zero chance/desire in hell to get into the "pop" genre. Bo Bice (Americana), Fantasia Barrino (R&B), Taylor Hicks (Soul), Ruben Studdard (R&B) come to mind and I'm sure I could think of a couple of contestants per season if I really tried (disclaimer: I'm not saying that they're talented/gifted within their genre, just that they *are* in that genre).

Either way, Kris is the only contestant in AI history whose album I would consider listening to. I think he's got a John Mayer quality about him and I find quite a bit of John Mayer's stuff listenable.
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laneela wrote:Either way, Kris is the only contestant in AI history whose album I would consider listening to. I think he's got a John Mayer quality about him and I find quite a bit of John Mayer's stuff listenable.
That's exactly who he reminded me of as well, with a touch of Dave Matthews built in. I've enjoyed a bunch of Kelly Clarkson's stuff, can't stand 99% of Carrie Underwood, love most of Daughtry's stuff, like most of David Cook's stuff (Permanent is a great song btw), hated Archuletta's stuff, hate Hicks, like most of Jordin's stuff.. I'm looking forward to hearing what Danny puts out and Mat as well.

I love listening to people put down "pop" artists as people that don't write their own songs or have any talent. It shows a funny level of ignorance.

Research how many of Garth Brooks songs that sold millions and millions and millions of copies he wrote by himself (or even co-wrote). Now ask how many people remember or even know who Yngwie Malmsteen is or the guitar players from Dragonforce for example. Ask Geoff Tate how many CDs he's selling these days. Talent isn't purely technical. Talent is also the ability to entertain and get people to relate. Sometimes the two mix and it's great, but more often than not talent leans to the ability to entertain rather than hit 5+ octaves with your voice.
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Re: American Idol 8

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Siji wrote:
laneela wrote:Either way, Kris is the only contestant in AI history whose album I would consider listening to. I think he's got a John Mayer quality about him and I find quite a bit of John Mayer's stuff listenable.
That's exactly who he reminded me of as well, with a touch of Dave Matthews built in. I've enjoyed a bunch of Kelly Clarkson's stuff, can't stand 99% of Carrie Underwood, love most of Daughtry's stuff, like most of David Cook's stuff (Permanent is a great song btw), hated Archuletta's stuff, hate Hicks, like most of Jordin's stuff.. I'm looking forward to hearing what Danny puts out and Mat as well.

I love listening to people put down "pop" artists as people that don't write their own songs or have any talent. It shows a funny level of ignorance.

Research how many of Garth Brooks songs that sold millions and millions and millions of copies he wrote by himself (or even co-wrote). Now ask how many people remember or even know who Yngwie Malmsteen is or the guitar players from Dragonforce for example. Ask Geoff Tate how many CDs he's selling these days. Talent isn't purely technical. Talent is also the ability to entertain and get people to relate. Sometimes the two mix and it's great, but more often than not talent leans to the ability to entertain rather than hit 5+ octaves with your voice.
I think maybe you have the words talent and artist confused. I have at no point argued that the people on Idol aren't talented for reasons like; ability to perform on stage and keep their cool, etc. But music is an art, and doing a good job of singing a song that you didn't write is not art, it's singing.

Saying those people are talented musical artists would be like me borrowing a true artists painting, and doing a good job of putting together a display to put it on for others to see, and then calling myself an artist.

Selling cd's, teenager appeal, looks, etc don't mean shit when it comes to music for me, whether I like the music or not does. There is no one that has ever been on that show that would ever record something that I would buy or listen to willingly. The fact that many of these pop artists can't even write the simple stupid lyrics that make up most pop songs just makes me like them a little less than I already do, it's not the main reason I don't like them.

In one sentence you say talent is both ability to entertain and technical ability. Then in the next sentence you say more often then not talent leans toward the ability to entertain. Yes, entertainment factor is more important in pop music, but just because pop artists sell more copies of their cds and are better entertainers does not make their music better, or good for that matter.
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Re: American Idol 8

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A person's voice is an instrument. Some people are born with a nice singing voice just as some people are born with a good ear for music or a knack for picking up instruments. Mastering ones voice takes as much commitment as mastering any other instrument. So to say that a singer is not an artist, is complete and utter shite. If we're going to stay on topic and discuss AI: though I may not like him, what Adam could do with his voice was insane. I may not have found the sound of his voice aesthetically pleasing, but technically, he is amazing.
Saying those people are talented musical artists would be like me borrowing a true artists painting, and doing a good job of putting together a display to put it on for others to see, and then calling myself an artist.
That's not a fair comparison. A fair comparison would be to say that you were to recreate the art and then put it on display for others to see. If you're able to recreate it, then you're obviously talented. And to recreate it and give it a bit of your own personal flavor can still be considered artistry (perfect example: Jeff Buckley's version of Leonard Cohen's Hallelujah).
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