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Someone explain to me how Vindicator and Statue have -ANYTHING- to do with eachother?

Apparently, according to Darcfae, a GM-Admin, a guild that kills Vindicator, the "gateway" mob to Statue, they lay full claim to Statue - when the fuck was this decided?

So...do I lay claim to Doomshayde if I kill Rumblecrush? Or does Arch Lich or Rhag 2 belong to the guild that kills Rhag 1? The logic just simply isn't there....to claim that Vindi, at this point an EXP fucking mob, is the first mob in the AoW "cycle" and thus gives you rights to Statue is simply ignorant...

I just wanna know where the logic is here?

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Well, while I agree with your assesstment of it being bullshit, the GM is correct. Vindi is a gateway mob to statue if the guild that took out Vindi planned on moving on Statue...
Did they?
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The guild that killed Vindi had 23 people after they killed Vindi, while my force had about 60 people...we actually WAITED and -OFFERED- them Statue in return for AoW rights, they ignored our offer so we pulled Statue..
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Well, by standard GM convention the mob is still theirs. However, I think it is pretty fucked of them for not giving you a response. However, your offer of letting them have Statue for AoW rights to you would likely have someone either telling you to blow off, or not say anything to you bro.
I know you did not mean it to come out anywhere near an ultimatium, it sort of sounds that way from their point of view.
Of course from yours, they ignored you and you pulled. That is valid as well.
So it comes down to GM convention.
Who was it that took Vindi?
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KoE - after Statue died, because we felt it fair, since they were there first killing Vindi with a force of 23 - we offered them all the loot off Statue, they declined...

After Statue died, we pulled Idol, after Idol - AoW was up...our puller tried to pull him but the entire 30 man force of KoE stood in his way so he FD'd, in order not to train thru them and kill them....

The following I and several others watched with our own eyes - Sunmoon, a KoE ranger, tagged AoW (who was sticking out thru the wall), AoW ran for him, Sunmoon then proceeded to back up towards my raid...he died, AoW aggroed me, I died, then another one of my main tanks died - we eventually got control of the situation, but still...it was blatantly obvious what happened - to the entire raid, who witnessed it happen :?
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Of course then you ask - "well why didn't you tell the GM KoE wasn't there in force" - we did tell the Gm this...The GMs response was that we cannot question whether or not KoE could have killed AoW with a raid force of 30 and because we did question it and pulled Statue based on us being there first in -FORCE- (meaning enough to actually complete the cycle), we are now being tagged as a "leapfrogging" guild over it because they killed Vindicator first
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Shit...
I will find out what is up.
For now can we let the issue die, at least on the public forum?
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Aranuil wrote:Fuck that... light this shit and get me some marshmallows!
I will turn your house into a sea of flames... :wink:
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<---- Or stick a thirty foot pole up your ass and leave you there to die. (j/k)
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Fesuni Chopsui wrote:I demand flames! :twisted:
<--- Vlad the impaler also burnt villages with flames ;)
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I like Peanut Butter and Jelly sandwiches.
It is even more grabbin to take some lays potato chips and put the in the sandwich.

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STEAM... ROLL!!!

Yeah. Where the hell are all the flames??
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Re: GM Logic

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Fesuni Chopsui wrote:Someone explain to me how Vindicator and Statue have -ANYTHING- to do with eachother?

Apparently, according to Darcfae, a GM-Admin, a guild that kills Vindicator, the "gateway" mob to Statue, they lay full claim to Statue - when the fuck was this decided?

So...do I lay claim to Doomshayde if I kill Rumblecrush? Or does Arch Lich or Rhag 2 belong to the guild that kills Rhag 1? The logic just simply isn't there....to claim that Vindi, at this point an EXP fucking mob, is the first mob in the AoW "cycle" and thus gives you rights to Statue is simply ignorant...

I just wanna know where the logic is here?

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If they were clearing Vindi to get to Statue, then yes, the Statue should have been their mob. 23 people is a lot more than you need to kill statue.
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Post by Fesuni Chopsui »

Actually Statue popped after they had formed to kill Vindi - they went to kill Vindi, not Statue, he spawned shortly before they killed Vindi, no way they can lay claim to Statue based on that - they formed a raid to kill Vindi, not Statue.
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Hey look at this!


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I get the feeling Acies is trying to avoid flames :roll:
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PE was camping Statue with 60 people before it popped?
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Too much bad blood as is right now, just trying to keep the waters somewhat clear bro. Actually, if it is needed and you feel warranted by it, please continue. I cant avoid this even if I put porn up ;)
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Post by Fesuni Chopsui »

Neither guild was camping Statue - when he spawned (as we had expected him to) - we got to Kael, when we had 60 people in our raid grouped, KoE still only had 24 and hadn't killed Vindi yet - they then pulled Vindi, killed him and claimed Statue...we waited, offered them the deal, which they declined so we pulled.
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Post by Fesuni Chopsui »

Acies - the purpose of my post isn't really to flame KoE (altho the training of AoW on my force was sorta fubar) - my point with the post is trying to figure out where the logic is in giving a guild "rights" to Statue because they killed Vindi...

Fuck, I can list many times in the past when guilds have killed Statue and still another guild kills Idol and AoW - and those guilds who kill Idol/AoW haven't gotten "tagged for leapfrogging" before.
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If a GM wants to bust somebody's chops for "leapfrogging" "gateway" mobs, they should ass-rape Farstorm for when they took Idol and then AoW after we killed Statue (last week sometime, I think it was.)

Darcfae really needs to remove head from sphincter and THEN make decisions ... Vindi has nothing to do with AoW event at all. He's just A_Mob_01 that's in the way.

/shout in Kael, Guard Stormcaller is KILLED! AoW event is CLAIMED!!!!!

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It's fucking Velious. I mean, really. Who gives a shit?
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Go back to licking your mother's twat and getting SARS Searyfuck
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thought only 2 rules applied on veeshan

1) first in force has claim to a said mob

2) if a mob-B spawns because mob-A is killed, or because an item is turned in to make mob-B spawn. then the killer of mob-A or person who turned in item. has rights to that mob. now if he can´t gather a force within a reasonable amount of time, especially true where a mob will depop after a certain amount of time, then it´s just good manners to pass the right to someone else who is there first in force.

that said yah , i say a force that kills rhag1 , owns rhag2 unless they give it away or leave. same goes for rhag2--> AL. you made that mob spawn, so it´s yours.

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Post by Fesuni Chopsui »

Perhaps Rassporti - but the fact remains that Vindi does -NOT- spawn nor is linked to Statue...

Whoever kills Statue spawns Idol and hence lays claim to that cycle
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Searyx wrote:It's fucking Velious. I mean, really. Who gives a shit?
Funny because you are still in seblis hollering for pickup trak raids.

Oh show us more screenshots of your exciting adventures in the plane of hate you stupid fucking gimp.
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Rofl Kyou
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Acies, it works much better with pie. Show the pie some love. :)
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I didn't say you could speak, now did I, Kyoukan? Best to be quiet until the men ask you to speak. You might accidently lodge your foot in your mouth.


Hmm... Sebilis seems to have changed a bit.
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Wait, that wasn't Sebilis. HERE is a Seb pick. I'm there constantly, so I would know.


Wait a minute... Is this Seb? Please tell us, Kyoukan. This is Seb, right?
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Ah! Here we go. This is a recent screenshot of my last killing of Tolapumj. That guy SUCKS! We killed him on the first try though, which I was very happy about.


Hold on. I think I might have my pics mixed up. Is this a picture of Tolapumj?
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Oh yes! Our first trak kill! Took us a dozen tries almost just to REACH Trak, but in the end, we prevailed! Didn't have to zerg, either. Did him with around 60 or so. He's not as tough as all his adds.


I don't remeber... you'll have to remind me, Kyoukan. Did you quit before killing Trak? Oh wait, you never did much of that stuff. I remember now.
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Full Disclosure: I was actually ON a Trak raid earlier today. A guildmate wanted to epic is alt.
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Someone fucking ban this fucktard for spamming whatever the fuck he's spamming.
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How the fuck did Searyx get off of my ignore list?

Can you do us all a favor and ban this Fuxing donglu once and for all?

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Did your L34 warrior on Veeshan get there Searyx? If not STFU and go back to the hell hole of Sol Ro.
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Someone fucking ban this fucktard for spamming whatever the fuck he's spamming.
Why ban when you can just <a target="_blank" href="http://www.veeshanvault.org/forums/igno ... >Ignore</a>?

By the way, whatever happened to TheMachine? Is he still around?
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show the searyx some respect
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Fash wrote:show the searyx some respect
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Post by Asheran Mojomaster »

If KOE was there first, killed vindi and wasnt leaving after vindi then you shoulda just sat back and waited. They wanted a shot at AOW maybe? So what? Shoulda let them have it, they wouldnt have won and then you coulda pulled. BTW, Darcfae owns all cept Saiphos, she is great most of the time. Very helpful usually but hates it when people fight over mobs.
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Post by Drakoslay123 »

Can force of 23 kill AoW? Maybe a few top guilds can. Bescides, it isnt really nice ignoring others when they try to communicate. It doesnt really hurt to communicate your intent if wanting to try AoW.

Can I claim all the big mobs with 15-20 people raid size knowing I may have problem of killing them? Isnt that like cockblock situation?

If you want it, say it out loud, be frank, instead of playing mind games.

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Post by Aaeamdar »

Fes, your example is flawed. Clearing the force that kills R1 gets to lay claim to R2 then AL, otherwise a guild could just go sit in AL while another guild killed the first two. R1/R2/AL is the same situation as Statue/Idol/AoW.

That said, clearly a mob that can be killed by a single group (Vindi) should not be in anyway relevant to AoW claims.
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Post by Shae »

I am going against my own policy about posting here. It is just to set straight a couple of facts.

KoE have never claimed that killing Vindicator gave rights to claim Statue.

Koe had every intention of going for Statue and AoW after Vindicator as was told to Bangador before Vindicator was even pulled.

Soes, representative of the PE/LOV force, was not ignored, we were in discussion for about 20 minutes.

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