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GM Logic
Someone explain to me how Vindicator and Statue have -ANYTHING- to do with eachother?
Apparently, according to Darcfae, a GM-Admin, a guild that kills Vindicator, the "gateway" mob to Statue, they lay full claim to Statue - when the fuck was this decided?
So...do I lay claim to Doomshayde if I kill Rumblecrush? Or does Arch Lich or Rhag 2 belong to the guild that kills Rhag 1? The logic just simply isn't there....to claim that Vindi, at this point an EXP fucking mob, is the first mob in the AoW "cycle" and thus gives you rights to Statue is simply ignorant...
I just wanna know where the logic is here?
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Apparently, according to Darcfae, a GM-Admin, a guild that kills Vindicator, the "gateway" mob to Statue, they lay full claim to Statue - when the fuck was this decided?
So...do I lay claim to Doomshayde if I kill Rumblecrush? Or does Arch Lich or Rhag 2 belong to the guild that kills Rhag 1? The logic just simply isn't there....to claim that Vindi, at this point an EXP fucking mob, is the first mob in the AoW "cycle" and thus gives you rights to Statue is simply ignorant...
I just wanna know where the logic is here?
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Well, by standard GM convention the mob is still theirs. However, I think it is pretty fucked of them for not giving you a response. However, your offer of letting them have Statue for AoW rights to you would likely have someone either telling you to blow off, or not say anything to you bro.
I know you did not mean it to come out anywhere near an ultimatium, it sort of sounds that way from their point of view.
Of course from yours, they ignored you and you pulled. That is valid as well.
So it comes down to GM convention.
Who was it that took Vindi?
I know you did not mean it to come out anywhere near an ultimatium, it sort of sounds that way from their point of view.
Of course from yours, they ignored you and you pulled. That is valid as well.
So it comes down to GM convention.
Who was it that took Vindi?
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KoE - after Statue died, because we felt it fair, since they were there first killing Vindi with a force of 23 - we offered them all the loot off Statue, they declined...
After Statue died, we pulled Idol, after Idol - AoW was up...our puller tried to pull him but the entire 30 man force of KoE stood in his way so he FD'd, in order not to train thru them and kill them....
The following I and several others watched with our own eyes - Sunmoon, a KoE ranger, tagged AoW (who was sticking out thru the wall), AoW ran for him, Sunmoon then proceeded to back up towards my raid...he died, AoW aggroed me, I died, then another one of my main tanks died - we eventually got control of the situation, but still...it was blatantly obvious what happened - to the entire raid, who witnessed it happen
After Statue died, we pulled Idol, after Idol - AoW was up...our puller tried to pull him but the entire 30 man force of KoE stood in his way so he FD'd, in order not to train thru them and kill them....
The following I and several others watched with our own eyes - Sunmoon, a KoE ranger, tagged AoW (who was sticking out thru the wall), AoW ran for him, Sunmoon then proceeded to back up towards my raid...he died, AoW aggroed me, I died, then another one of my main tanks died - we eventually got control of the situation, but still...it was blatantly obvious what happened - to the entire raid, who witnessed it happen
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Of course then you ask - "well why didn't you tell the GM KoE wasn't there in force" - we did tell the Gm this...The GMs response was that we cannot question whether or not KoE could have killed AoW with a raid force of 30 and because we did question it and pulled Statue based on us being there first in -FORCE- (meaning enough to actually complete the cycle), we are now being tagged as a "leapfrogging" guild over it because they killed Vindicator first
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Re: GM Logic
If they were clearing Vindi to get to Statue, then yes, the Statue should have been their mob. 23 people is a lot more than you need to kill statue.Fesuni Chopsui wrote:Someone explain to me how Vindicator and Statue have -ANYTHING- to do with eachother?
Apparently, according to Darcfae, a GM-Admin, a guild that kills Vindicator, the "gateway" mob to Statue, they lay full claim to Statue - when the fuck was this decided?
So...do I lay claim to Doomshayde if I kill Rumblecrush? Or does Arch Lich or Rhag 2 belong to the guild that kills Rhag 1? The logic just simply isn't there....to claim that Vindi, at this point an EXP fucking mob, is the first mob in the AoW "cycle" and thus gives you rights to Statue is simply ignorant...
I just wanna know where the logic is here?
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Neither guild was camping Statue - when he spawned (as we had expected him to) - we got to Kael, when we had 60 people in our raid grouped, KoE still only had 24 and hadn't killed Vindi yet - they then pulled Vindi, killed him and claimed Statue...we waited, offered them the deal, which they declined so we pulled.
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Acies - the purpose of my post isn't really to flame KoE (altho the training of AoW on my force was sorta fubar) - my point with the post is trying to figure out where the logic is in giving a guild "rights" to Statue because they killed Vindi...
Fuck, I can list many times in the past when guilds have killed Statue and still another guild kills Idol and AoW - and those guilds who kill Idol/AoW haven't gotten "tagged for leapfrogging" before.
Fuck, I can list many times in the past when guilds have killed Statue and still another guild kills Idol and AoW - and those guilds who kill Idol/AoW haven't gotten "tagged for leapfrogging" before.
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If a GM wants to bust somebody's chops for "leapfrogging" "gateway" mobs, they should ass-rape Farstorm for when they took Idol and then AoW after we killed Statue (last week sometime, I think it was.)
Darcfae really needs to remove head from sphincter and THEN make decisions ... Vindi has nothing to do with AoW event at all. He's just A_Mob_01 that's in the way.
/shout in Kael, Guard Stormcaller is KILLED! AoW event is CLAIMED!!!!!
Yeah, it's just like that.
Darcfae really needs to remove head from sphincter and THEN make decisions ... Vindi has nothing to do with AoW event at all. He's just A_Mob_01 that's in the way.
/shout in Kael, Guard Stormcaller is KILLED! AoW event is CLAIMED!!!!!
Yeah, it's just like that.
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thought only 2 rules applied on veeshan
1) first in force has claim to a said mob
2) if a mob-B spawns because mob-A is killed, or because an item is turned in to make mob-B spawn. then the killer of mob-A or person who turned in item. has rights to that mob. now if he can´t gather a force within a reasonable amount of time, especially true where a mob will depop after a certain amount of time, then it´s just good manners to pass the right to someone else who is there first in force.
that said yah , i say a force that kills rhag1 , owns rhag2 unless they give it away or leave. same goes for rhag2--> AL. you made that mob spawn, so it´s yours.
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1) first in force has claim to a said mob
2) if a mob-B spawns because mob-A is killed, or because an item is turned in to make mob-B spawn. then the killer of mob-A or person who turned in item. has rights to that mob. now if he can´t gather a force within a reasonable amount of time, especially true where a mob will depop after a certain amount of time, then it´s just good manners to pass the right to someone else who is there first in force.
that said yah , i say a force that kills rhag1 , owns rhag2 unless they give it away or leave. same goes for rhag2--> AL. you made that mob spawn, so it´s yours.
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If KOE was there first, killed vindi and wasnt leaving after vindi then you shoulda just sat back and waited. They wanted a shot at AOW maybe? So what? Shoulda let them have it, they wouldnt have won and then you coulda pulled. BTW, Darcfae owns all cept Saiphos, she is great most of the time. Very helpful usually but hates it when people fight over mobs.
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Can force of 23 kill AoW? Maybe a few top guilds can. Bescides, it isnt really nice ignoring others when they try to communicate. It doesnt really hurt to communicate your intent if wanting to try AoW.
Can I claim all the big mobs with 15-20 people raid size knowing I may have problem of killing them? Isnt that like cockblock situation?
If you want it, say it out loud, be frank, instead of playing mind games.
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Can I claim all the big mobs with 15-20 people raid size knowing I may have problem of killing them? Isnt that like cockblock situation?
If you want it, say it out loud, be frank, instead of playing mind games.
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Fes, your example is flawed. Clearing the force that kills R1 gets to lay claim to R2 then AL, otherwise a guild could just go sit in AL while another guild killed the first two. R1/R2/AL is the same situation as Statue/Idol/AoW.
That said, clearly a mob that can be killed by a single group (Vindi) should not be in anyway relevant to AoW claims.
That said, clearly a mob that can be killed by a single group (Vindi) should not be in anyway relevant to AoW claims.
I am going against my own policy about posting here. It is just to set straight a couple of facts.
KoE have never claimed that killing Vindicator gave rights to claim Statue.
Koe had every intention of going for Statue and AoW after Vindicator as was told to Bangador before Vindicator was even pulled.
Soes, representative of the PE/LOV force, was not ignored, we were in discussion for about 20 minutes.
Sunmoon, the epitome of honor, didn't intentionally trained PE/LOV.
KoE have never claimed that killing Vindicator gave rights to claim Statue.
Koe had every intention of going for Statue and AoW after Vindicator as was told to Bangador before Vindicator was even pulled.
Soes, representative of the PE/LOV force, was not ignored, we were in discussion for about 20 minutes.
Sunmoon, the epitome of honor, didn't intentionally trained PE/LOV.
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