I've been a vegetarian for two days.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » August 31, 2011, 3:51 pm

I think it a soy product. I imagine Taco Bell does something similar. It's like drug dealers cutting their product to improve margins. Still though, the occasional fried grease things are totally acceptable in my book! Need to give a shout-out to !CORNDOG! as well.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » August 31, 2011, 4:07 pm

Canelek wrote:I think it a soy product. I imagine Taco Bell does something similar. It's like drug dealers cutting their product to improve margins. Still though, the occasional fried grease things are totally acceptable in my book! Need to give a shout-out to !CORNDOG! as well.

Our state fair is going on right now, I'm probably going to go tomorrow, get a corn dog, a deep fried reeces peanut butter cup, and who knows what else. My stomach is going to hate me.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » August 31, 2011, 4:08 pm

miir wrote:I just went to the Jack in the Box site to check the nutritional information on two tacos and got a 404

They're made with kittehs!

miir · Post by **miir** » August 31, 2011, 4:12 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:
Canelek wrote:I think it a soy product. I imagine Taco Bell does something similar. It's like drug dealers cutting their product to improve margins. Still though, the occasional fried grease things are totally acceptable in my book! Need to give a shout-out to !CORNDOG! as well.
Our state fair is going on right now, I'm probably going to go tomorrow, get a corn dog, a deep fried reeces peanut butter cup, and who knows what else. My stomach is going to hate me.

I could totally get into this vegan thing...I had a deep fried pickle at lunch and it was delicious!

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » August 31, 2011, 5:16 pm

miir wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:
Canelek wrote:I think it a soy product. I imagine Taco Bell does something similar. It's like drug dealers cutting their product to improve margins. Still though, the occasional fried grease things are totally acceptable in my book! Need to give a shout-out to !CORNDOG! as well.
Our state fair is going on right now, I'm probably going to go tomorrow, get a corn dog, a deep fried reeces peanut butter cup, and who knows what else. My stomach is going to hate me.
I could totally get into this vegan thing...I had a deep fried pickle at lunch and it was delicious!

One of those might make the cut too. Depends on whether or not I wander by the stand.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » August 31, 2011, 5:30 pm

miir wrote: just went to the Jack in the Box site to check the nutritional information on two tacos and got a 404

Seems rather appropriate.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » August 31, 2011, 5:44 pm

I tried deep fried pickle slices...not really that good imo. Deep fried zucchini, however, is wonderful.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » August 31, 2011, 6:00 pm

Canelek wrote:I tried deep fried pickle slices...not really that good imo. Deep fried zucchini, however, is wonderful.

Deep fried zucchini with bacon crumbled into the breading is even better.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » August 31, 2011, 6:31 pm

Of course it is! Damn fine idea.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » August 31, 2011, 7:01 pm

Extension of a "don't feel like cooking" summer dish from when I was a kid, fresh zucchini|squash, tomatoes, bacon|leftover meat all fried up in a pan served with rice on the side.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » August 31, 2011, 7:27 pm

Fried green tomatoes are mmm mmm good

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » September 1, 2011, 11:32 am

miir wrote:That's definitely not beef in there.

I just went to the Jack in the Box site to check the nutritional information on two tacos and got a 404

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » September 1, 2011, 1:38 pm

miir wrote: I just went to the Jack in the Box site to check the nutritional information on two tacos and got a 404

I redd that somewhere...

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » September 1, 2011, 1:56 pm

Beef Regular Taco Filling Ingredients: Beef, Water, Textured Vegetable Protein (Soy Flour, Caramel Color), Defatted Soy Grits, Seasoning (Chili Pepper, Maltodextrin, Spices, Wheat Flour, Salt, Dry Garlic, Hydrolyzed Soy Protein, Corn and Wheat Gluten, Monosodium Glutamate, Dry Onion, Disodium Inosinate, Disodium Guanylate, Succinic Acid), Salt, Tomato Paste, Worcestershire Sauce (Distilled Vinegar, Molasses, Corn Syrup, Water, Salt, Caramel Color, Garlic Powder, Sugar, Spices, Tamarind, Natural Flavor, Sulfiting Agent).

http://www.examiner.com/chain-restauran ... ef-and-soy

Drolgin Steingrinder · September 5, 2011, 8:05 pm

I could go vegetarian and switch to a diet of just the fries I experimented with this weekend. Nothing but wonderful potatoes. Fried in duckfat and beef suet. Mmmmmmmm.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » September 5, 2011, 8:19 pm

Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:I could go vegetarian and switch to a diet of just the fries I experimented with this weekend. Nothing but wonderful potatoes. Fried in duckfat and beef suet. Mmmmmmmm.

I'm not sure that qualifies as vegetarian!

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » September 5, 2011, 9:50 pm

Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:I could go vegetarian and switch to a diet of just the fries I experimented with this weekend. Nothing but wonderful potatoes. Fried in duckfat and beef suet. Mmmmmmmm.

I wants!!!

Spang · Post by **Spang** » September 7, 2011, 3:06 am

Aslanna wrote:
Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:I could go vegetarian and switch to a diet of just the fries I experimented with this weekend. Nothing but wonderful potatoes. Fried in duckfat and beef suet. Mmmmmmmm.
I'm not sure that qualifies as vegetarian!

It doesn't. McDonald's fries don't, either.

miir · Post by **miir** » September 7, 2011, 9:52 am

Spang wrote:
Aslanna wrote:
Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:I could go vegetarian and switch to a diet of just the fries I experimented with this weekend. Nothing but wonderful potatoes. Fried in duckfat and beef suet. Mmmmmmmm.
I'm not sure that qualifies as vegetarian!
It doesn't. McDonald's fries don't, either.

In Canada, they do.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » September 7, 2011, 10:30 am

miir wrote:
Spang wrote:
Aslanna wrote:
Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:I could go vegetarian and switch to a diet of just the fries I experimented with this weekend. Nothing but wonderful potatoes. Fried in duckfat and beef suet. Mmmmmmmm.
I'm not sure that qualifies as vegetarian!
It doesn't. McDonald's fries don't, either.
In Canada, they do.

Canadian fries don't have feelings.

miir · Post by **miir** » September 7, 2011, 11:21 am

Boogahz wrote:
miir wrote:
Spang wrote:
Aslanna wrote:
Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:I could go vegetarian and switch to a diet of just the fries I experimented with this weekend. Nothing but wonderful potatoes. Fried in duckfat and beef suet. Mmmmmmmm.
I'm not sure that qualifies as vegetarian!
It doesn't. McDonald's fries don't, either.
In Canada, they do.
Canadian fries don't have feelings.

Nope.
No beef flavour (yes, with a motherfucking U) either.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » September 7, 2011, 12:07 pm

What kind of crazy flavour programme is that??

And I can't believe y'all are comparing mcdonalds fries to double fried duck fat! That brings the potato to a whole new level not seen since vodka or the potato gun!

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » September 7, 2011, 12:49 pm

Canelek wrote:What kind of crazy flavour programme is that??

And I can't believe y'all are comparing mcdonalds fries to double fried duck fat! That brings the potato to a whole new level not seen since vodka or the potato gun!

What about a duck gun?

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » September 7, 2011, 12:59 pm

Boogahz wrote:
Canelek wrote:What kind of crazy flavour programme is that??

And I can't believe y'all are comparing mcdonalds fries to double fried duck fat! That brings the potato to a whole new level not seen since vodka or the potato gun!
What about a duck gun?

S&W Model 1000 20GA Auto always worked fine for me.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » September 7, 2011, 1:13 pm

Canelek wrote:
Boogahz wrote:
Canelek wrote:What kind of crazy flavour programme is that??

And I can't believe y'all are comparing mcdonalds fries to double fried duck fat! That brings the potato to a whole new level not seen since vodka or the potato gun!
What about a duck gun?
S&W Model 1000 20GA Auto always worked fine for me.

can you launch a duck with it?

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » September 7, 2011, 1:18 pm

Boogahz wrote:
Canelek wrote:
Boogahz wrote:
Canelek wrote:What kind of crazy flavour programme is that??

And I can't believe y'all are comparing mcdonalds fries to double fried duck fat! That brings the potato to a whole new level not seen since vodka or the potato gun!
What about a duck gun?
S&W Model 1000 20GA Auto always worked fine for me.
can you launch a duck with it?

I suppose one could rig up some sort of sling mechanism since it has a 28in barrel. That would be wasteful though! Duck is goooodddd.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » September 7, 2011, 1:24 pm

Does it shoot ducks wielding crossbows that shoot chainsaws?

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » September 16, 2011, 8:57 pm

Aabidano wrote:They're running "sugar is sugar, my body doesn't know the difference" commercials here. Right after the "petroleum taxes are bad" ads.

Seems the FDA doesn't care much for high fructose corn syrup being called "corn sugar". At least not yet...

LOS ANGELES — The Food and Drug Administration has cautioned the corn industry over its ongoing use of the term “corn sugar” to describe high fructose corn syrup, asking them to stop using the proposed new name before it has received regulatory approval, The Associated Press has learned.
...
The Corn Refiners Association wants to use “corn sugar” as an alternative name for the widely used liquid sweetener currently labeled as high fructose corn syrup on most sodas and packaged foods. They’re attempting an image makeover after some scientists linked the product to obesity, diabetes and other health problems.

Obviously changing the name of a substance makes it totally new and unique.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » September 16, 2011, 10:06 pm

Wikipedia wrote:HFCS is cheaper in the United States as a result of a combination of corn subsidies and sugar tariffs and quotas.[15] Since the mid 1990s, the United States federal government has subsidized corn growers by $40 billion

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Hfcs
Would suspect that the processing is certainly part of it, your body isn't made to deal with it properly similar to many other "value added" foods. The inability to practice moderation is another.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » September 16, 2011, 10:13 pm

Another recent article I read:

Corn sweetener to cost 30% more next year, Cargill warns

U.S. agribusiness Cargill has warned its customers in North America to expect corn sweetener prices for calendar 2012 to rise by at least 30 percent, according to a letter obtained by Reuters on Wednesday.

"The persistent increase in demand, which has significantly tightened capacity utilization ... along with significant increases in raw materials, will be reflective of a minimum 30 percent price increase for calendar year 2012," the letter said.
...
The letter added that "factors such as weather, income growth in the developing world and dangerously low U.S. feed grain stocks, had created conditions never before seen in our corn wet milling business."

30%.. Minimum! I wonder if it's cheaper yet to use actual sugar.

Yeah those corn subsidies definitely need to go. Also corn is food not fuel.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » September 16, 2011, 10:30 pm

Cargill should be warning its customers about its turkey.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » September 16, 2011, 10:53 pm

Aslanna wrote:Another recent article I read:

Corn sweetener to cost 30% more next year, Cargill warns

U.S. agribusiness Cargill has warned its customers in North America to expect corn sweetener prices for calendar 2012 to rise by at least 30 percent, according to a letter obtained by Reuters on Wednesday.

"The persistent increase in demand, which has significantly tightened capacity utilization ... along with significant increases in raw materials, will be reflective of a minimum 30 percent price increase for calendar year 2012," the letter said.
...
The letter added that "factors such as weather, income growth in the developing world and dangerously low U.S. feed grain stocks, had created conditions never before seen in our corn wet milling business."
I try to stick with tortillas and cobbed-corn. Meat in one and butter on the other!

30%.. Minimum! I wonder if it's cheaper yet to use actual sugar.

Yeah those corn subsidies definitely need to go. Also corn is food not fuel.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » September 17, 2011, 8:21 pm

Spang wrote:Cargill should be warning its customers about its turkey.

Think they just did another salmonella recall, 2nd this summer.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » September 17, 2011, 8:24 pm

Aslanna wrote:30%.. Minimum! I wonder if it's cheaper yet to use actual sugar. .

Tree huggers hate sugar growers.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » September 17, 2011, 10:36 pm

Aabidano wrote:
Spang wrote:Cargill should be warning its customers about its turkey.
Think they just did another salmonella recall, 2nd this summer.

Yup.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » September 18, 2011, 10:25 am

Listeria Contamination of Cantaloupe in the United States‎

Fruits can kill!

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » September 18, 2011, 12:09 pm

Lynks wrote:Listeria Contamination of Cantaloupe in the United States‎

25% mortality rate too, nasty bug.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 18, 2011, 6:59 pm

Aabidano wrote:
Lynks wrote:Listeria Contamination of Cantaloupe in the United States‎
25% mortality rate too, nasty bug.

I got a letter from Costco last month saying that the Guacamole in the bean dip I purchased potentially had listeria monocytogenes. There was a recall for the expiration date on my container.

Warning signs are flu like with sore neck. It so happens that I was sick the same time I got the notice. Incubation period is about one week. For a few days I was concerned I might actually have ingested the baterium.

I gave it a few days since I hate going to the doctor and it went away.

When listeric meningitis occurs, the overall mortality may reach 70%, from septicemia 50%, and from perinatal/neonatal infections greater than 80%

I'm sticking to meat products.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » September 18, 2011, 7:10 pm

Well for one thing you shouldn't buy dips you can easily make yourself!

Spang · Post by **Spang** » September 19, 2011, 12:07 pm

Winnow wrote:I'm sticking to meat products.

Cancer, heart disease, stroke and Alzheimer's thank you.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 19, 2011, 1:55 pm

Spang wrote:
Winnow wrote:I'm sticking to meat products.
Cancer, heart disease, stroke and Alzheimer's thank you.

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Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » September 19, 2011, 2:07 pm

Don't even bother arguing with him. We all know being a vegetarian means you'll never get cancer, heart disease, stroke or Alzheimers.

I recently watched Scott Pilgrim and that one scene with Todd the Vegan X reminded me of Spang.

Envy Adams: Didn't you know? Spang's vegan.
[Spang flings Scott through a brick wall into an alleyway outside.]
Scott Pilgrim: [standing up.] Vegan?
Spang : It's not really that big of a deal.
Scott Pilgrim: No kidding. Anyone can be vegan.
Spang: Ovo-lacto-vegetarian, maybe.
Scott Pilgrim: Ovo-what?
Spang: I partake not in the meat, nor the breastmilk, nor the ovum, of any creature with a face.
Envy Adams: Short answer: being vegan just makes you better than most people.
Spang: Bingo.
[Spang punches Scott and sends him, screaming, high into the air and out of sight.]
Stephen Stills: Hey, man, question: I always wondered, how does not eating dairy products give you psychic powers?
Spang: [rolls eyes.] Okay, you know how you only use ten percent of your brain? That's because the other 90 percent is filled with curds and whey.
Kim Pine: [dismissive.] Did you learn that at vegan academy?
Spang: Go ahead and get snippy, baby, but if you knew the science, maybe I'd listen to a word you're saying.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » September 19, 2011, 2:12 pm

All that and scientific study is showing that veganism turns most into gigantic vaginas.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » September 19, 2011, 2:48 pm

You once were a ve-gone, and now you will be gone.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » September 19, 2011, 3:35 pm

Spang · Post by **Spang** » September 19, 2011, 5:14 pm

Aslanna wrote:We all know being a vegetarian means you'll never get cancer, heart disease, stroke or Alzheimers.

A well-balanced vegan diet will not be the cause of any of those inconveniences.

Post by **Sylvus** » September 19, 2011, 5:39 pm

Spang wrote:
Aslanna wrote:We all know being a vegetarian means you'll never get cancer, heart disease, stroke or Alzheimers.
A well-balanced vegan diet will not be the cause of any of those inconveniences.

THAT'S NOT FUCKING TRUE AT ALL!!!! PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD I KNOW YOU ARE NOT THIS STUPID!!!!

The fact that some studies show a CORRELATION between meat consumption and INCREASED risk of those diseases DOES NOT MEAN THAT MEAT IS THE ONLY CAUSE OF THOSE DISEASES OR THAT A WELL-BALANCED VEGAN DIET WILL NOT CAUSE ANY OF THOSE DISEASES.

I think Spang is going to be the cause of me having a stroke.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 19, 2011, 5:41 pm

http://www.healthiertalk.com/vegans-may ... -risk-3472

Vegans may increase heart disease risk

By Dr. Allan Spreen on 03/03/2011

Have you noticed how people always assume that vegan=super healthy?

Frankly, I've encountered many vegans who are just downright smug. They think they are healthier than everyone else is. But I disagree. I think veganism is a serious mistake. In fact, a new study found that eliminating meat from your diet could harm your health.

Here's why...

Scientists recently analyzed dozens of vegan studies from the last 30 years. They found that men and women who follow a strict vegan diet (no meat, poultry, fish, or animal by-products) tend to have elevated homocysteine levels. And that's not good. Too much of this amino acid in your blood greatly increases your risk for heart attack or stroke.

But that's not all the scientists discovered...

They also found that vegans seem to run a greater risk of developing blood clots and atherosclerosis. They also tend to have lower HDL (or "good") cholesterol.

I really don't have anything against vegans. It's just that I'm an omnivore. Specifically, I make sure to eat a few servings of organic chicken and wild-caught fish each week. I'm not even opposed to eating lean organic red meat (that's been grass-fed) occasionally.

Simply put, we need the protein and the saturated fats. We also need vital nutrients like CLA, l- carnitine, iron, zinc, B12, vitamin A, and omega-3 fatty acids. But the only place most of us get these nutrients is through meat, fish, and fowl.

Plus, vegans tend to rely on lots of TVP (textured vegetable protein). This is fancy term for non- fermented soy, which is loaded with phyto-estrogens and phytate. These compounds block your absorption of nutrients and disrupt your hormones. Some scientists also link them with cancer.

In addition, if you look at the intestinal tracts of pure carnivores and pure herbivores, humans are somewhere in the middle. We were designed to eat some meat.

I don't recommend you go out and treat yourself to a rack of greasy ribs every night. But you can -- and should -- enjoy salmon, chicken, and even flank steak on a weekly basis. You need the protein and the nutrients these foods deliver.

cut n pasted Spang style

Spang · Post by **Spang** » September 19, 2011, 7:33 pm

Simply put, we need the protein and the saturated fats. We also need vital nutrients like CLA, l- carnitine, iron, zinc, B12, vitamin A, and omega-3 fatty acids. But the only place most of us get these nutrients is through meat, fish, and fowl.

Not true. Every single one of those vital nutrients (including protein and saturated fats) can be found in non-animal foods. B12, for example, can be found in nutritional yeast and B12-fortified cereals and soy milk.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » September 19, 2011, 7:36 pm

Sylvus wrote:
Spang wrote:
Aslanna wrote:We all know being a vegetarian means you'll never get cancer, heart disease, stroke or Alzheimers.
A well-balanced vegan diet will not be the cause of any of those inconveniences.
The fact that some studies show a CORRELATION between meat consumption and INCREASED risk of those diseases DOES NOT MEAN THAT MEAT IS THE ONLY CAUSE OF THOSE DISEASES...

I never said that meat was the only cause of those diseases.