Lincoln

[Winnow]

Great man. Average movie. I suggest reading a book about Lincoln, the Civil War, and the 13th Amendment as opposed to seeing this movie.

Couldn't stand the soundtrack. Think of all war movies and "great moment" historical type movies and you'll already have heard the uninspired music.

Abraham Lincoln and Benjamin Franklin belong in any top five most important American lists. Fill in the other three and rank them as you see fit.

[Bubba Grizz]

• Bill Gates
  Steve McQueen
  Betty White

[Spang]

Abe and Ben wouldn't make my list.

[Winnow]

Abe and Ben wouldn't make my list.

That's because you're a moron.

[Spang]

I'd be concerned if you considered me intelligent.

[Funkmasterr]

Yeah, the Emancipation Proclomation was overrated. If he would have put people before color - different story.

[Spang]

Yeah, the Emancipation Proclomation was overrated. If he would have put people before color - different story.

Yes, fuck the abolitionists. Fuck the whole goddamn movement and just slobber all over Lincoln's log.

[Funkmasterr]

You must be proud.

[Aslanna]

Lincoln must not have been a vegetarian.

[Funkmasterr]

Oh great. A murderer and a racist. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT'S TRUE ANYMORE.

[Aabidano]

Killed the crap out of some vampires though.

[Spang]

Oh great. A murderer and a racist. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT'S TRUE ANYMORE.

Actually:

December 26, 1862: thirty-eight Dakota Indians were hanged in Mankato, Minnesota, in the largest mass execution in US history–on orders of President Abraham Lincoln. Their crime: killing 490 white settlers, including women and children, in the Santee Sioux uprising the previous August.

The execution took place on a giant square scaffold in the center of town, in front of an audience of hundreds of white people. The thirty-eight Dakota men “wailed and danced atop the gallows,” according to Robert K. Elder of The New York Times, “waiting for the trapdoors to drop beneath them.” A witness reported that, “as the last moment rapidly approached, they each called out their name and shouted in their native language: ‘I’m here! I’m here!’ ”

Lincoln’s treatment of defeated Indian rebels against the United States stood in sharp contrast to his treatment of Confederate rebels. He never ordered the executions of any Confederate officials or generals after the Civil War, even though they killed more than 400,000 Union soldiers. The only Confederate executed was the commander of Andersonville Prison—and for what we would call war crimes, not rebellion.

[Zaelath]

I'm not sure I see a point there, Spang.

As ex-military, I'd think you'd regard wholesale slaughter of kids and their mums a bit differently to soldiers killing each other.

White-man morals perhaps, but still pretty consistent with everything else your society believes in.

[Spang]

I'm not sure I see a point there, Spang.

Lincoln is given far too much credit for "ending slavery". He wasn't an abolitionist, and if it weren't for the movement there wouldn't have been any so-called end to slavery. But slavery was still alive and well, just with a new name: Black Codes.

White-man morals perhaps, but still pretty consistent with everything else your society believes in.

I don't share those beliefs and values.

[Winnow]

Because you're a moron.

[Zaelath]

I don't share those beliefs and values.

Time to move then.

[Spang]

I don't share those beliefs and values.

Time to move then.

Yes, it's so easy and inexpensive to move to a whole other country.

[Funkmasterr]

The murderer remark was more about his diet of tasty animals, but keep on preaching, brother. It's amusing.

[Spang]

The murderer remark was more about his diet of tasty animals...

I couldn't care less.

[Funkmasterr]

I knew we had to have something in common.

[Winnow]

Abraham Lincoln is one of the most famous Presidents in the history of United States, because of his strong and direct involvement in the abolishment of slavery in the country. However, despite his notoriety and all of the references in popular culture to him, there are some things you haven’t heard about Lincoln.

Abraham Lincoln, as a young man, was an incredible wrestler due to his strength and the length of his limbs. Allegedly, Lincoln only lost one out of the 300 matches he had fought during his wrestling career. His immaculate wrestling abilities earned him an “Outstanding American” award, and he was inducted into the Wrestling Hall of Fame.

Fun Facts!

The founding fathers of the US loved to drink.

In 1787, two days before they signed off on the Constitution, the 55 delegates to the Constitutional Convention partied at a tavern. According to the bill preserved from the evening, they drank 54 bottles of Madeira, 60 bottles of claret, eight of whiskey, 22 of porter, eight of hard cider, 12 of beer and seven bowls of alcoholic punch.

In their defense, we must mention that getting drunk and not losing control was socially acceptable and perfectly normal back in those times. Of course that would slowly change and become less acceptable, until the US had alcohol prohibition in the early 20th century.

[Fairweather Pure]

I don't share those beliefs and values.

I don't think hardly anyone shares the same beliefs and values as the people from 150 years ago. An interesting thought experiment to ponder is that if you actually were alive and an adult on the day of this execution you posted, chances are you would have been one of the men cheering in the front row.


This thread makes me think of Bioshock Infinite btw.

[Spang]

I don't think hardly anyone shares the same beliefs and values as the people from 150 years ago.

I don't share many beliefs and values of most Americans in 2013.

[Aslanna]

I don't share many beliefs and values of most Americans in 2013.

That makes sense when you're a much better person that most Americans.