Presidential debate - October 7th

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » October 7, 2008, 10:13 pm

Three questions in now, McCain has directly answered all three, Obama has not, and has instead used all three as opportunities to make jabs and skirt what was asked. Pretty typical.

Glad he already got scolded. Maybe he'll clean his act up for the rest of it.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » October 7, 2008, 10:54 pm

The title of this thread made me think you were going to talk about the debate on TV right now. Apparently, we're not watching the same thing. You should change the title to reflect the content of your post.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » October 7, 2008, 10:58 pm

Xyun wrote:The title of this thread made me think you were going to talk about the debate on TV right now. Apparently, we're not watching the same thing. You should change the title to reflect the content of your post.

Oh no, we are. Care to explain to me why your homeboy seems to think the rules he agreed to don't apply to him (especially after being reminded of that, what, a half a dozen times already)? It's offensive and it's making him look like a totally arrogant douchebag (not that he didn't already.)

EDIT: To clarify, my original post was not a matter of opinion. Watch a replay of the debate when it's over, there is no way you can spin FOR SURE the first three questions as being answered by him. He didn't even attempt to.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » October 7, 2008, 11:05 pm

McCain's jokes are bombing. lol. They are so horrible and out of place.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » October 7, 2008, 11:09 pm

Answer the question. Why don't the rules apply to him?

Spang · Post by **Spang** » October 7, 2008, 11:10 pm

Because McCain is being such a good little angel.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » October 7, 2008, 11:12 pm

Funk is not worth responding to in this, or any other thread. What a moron.

Again this looks similiar to the first debate. Obama comes off as cool, collected and to the point, making valid diversions into criticism. McCain looks like an angry old befuddled twat. Who seems to lie a lot.

It's not over yet, but barring any major fuck ups it seems pretty similiar to the debate a few weeks ago.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » October 7, 2008, 11:13 pm

You have GOT to be fucking kidding me. What an arrogant fucking piece of shit. (obama, not the guy above me that isn't worth anybody's time here.)

How can you possibly defend his right to continue to interrupt the way this debate is supposed to go for his own arrogant reasons? Fucking ridiculous.

Obama coming off as cool and collective, I'm sorry but I can't help but ridicule you on this you immature, idiotic little tool. Yeah, the guy that is so pissed he has to keep talking out of turn is calm and collective. Talk about delusional, jesus..

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » October 7, 2008, 11:18 pm

Spang wrote:Because McCain is being such a good little angel.

Did he talk out of turn before Obama did it for the 30th time? (rhetorical question, btw)

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » October 7, 2008, 11:19 pm

They're both doing it, you stupidity-blinded little bitch, and they've been doing it from the start. The whole format for this "town hall" that's not a town hall meeting is ridiculous. It's nearly impossible to meaningfully address any of the topics raised by the questioners. It's pretty much a waste of time, but in terms of who is delivering the better performance, I'd say it's about even in terms of delivery, but Obama is crushing him when it comes to details and facts. McCain is doing a much better job of spewing lies, half-truths and snark. I don't think that will work for him.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » October 7, 2008, 11:21 pm

Xatrei wrote:They're both doing it, you stupidity-blinded little bitch, and they've been doing it from the start. The whole format for this "town hall" that's not a town hall meeting is ridiculous. It's nearly impossible to meaningfully address any of the topics raised by the questioners. It's pretty much a waste of time, but in terms of who is delivering the better performance, I'd say it's about even in terms of delivery, but Obama is crushing him when it comes to details and facts. McCain is doing a much better job of spewing lies, half-truths and snark. I don't think that will work for him.

BULLSHIT dude, you are flat out fucking lying to my face. McCain finally said something, after the prick had done it about a half dozen times, because it's only fair if Obama is going to continue doing it.

Put aside your fucking love for the piece of shit and admit it for christ sake.

What a fucking_joke.

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » October 7, 2008, 11:24 pm

I would like to add an ASS for emphasis.

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » October 7, 2008, 11:25 pm

The only one mistaken in this thread is your crazy, delusional ASS*, Sir Spitsalot.

*added in honor of Kal's post.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » October 7, 2008, 11:26 pm

As soon as the video is posted on youtube then, I'm gonna post it, and I want you to show me specifically where McCain did it before he got tired of Obama doing it and said something.

Jesus christ I've never listened to such blind bullshit lies in my fucking life.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » October 7, 2008, 11:27 pm

I sandblasted a toilet at Target today.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » October 7, 2008, 11:27 pm

Gobama!

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » October 7, 2008, 11:32 pm

Seriously, this thread so far could be summed up by:

Funkmasterr: Grass is green.

Xatrei/nick/xyun: Um, no. It's purple, you idiot.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » October 7, 2008, 11:42 pm

Umm, usually the losing side is the crybaby.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » October 7, 2008, 11:46 pm

Q: How far will you go fear-mongering about Iran nuking Israel?

McCain: I'll go pretty far. Surprised? Hey, why not a Holocaust reference? That scary enough for you?

Obama: I acknowledge your desire for fear-mongering, and let me make clear I'm no wuss. But diplomacy and sanctions are also things that exist.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 7, 2008, 11:49 pm

McCain called the person in the audience who asked a question Allen when his name was Oliver, but other than that he did Ok.

Obama made a big speech about how he was able to go to the best colleges despite some hard times and then said that you couldn't do that anywhere else in the country when he meant the world.

Gaffes were about equal tonight. Our nation is pretty fucked no matter who gets elected for a couple years minimum. Euros and Asians are screwed as well!

Seems to me that Barry Obama has been spoiled his whole life and doesn't know when to shut up. BO needs to move on and adhere to the rules sometimes.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » October 7, 2008, 11:56 pm

THAT ONE

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » October 8, 2008, 12:05 am

Do you really want the President of the United States to be dictated to by the likes of Tom Brokaw? Pahlease....

valryte · Post by **valryte** » October 8, 2008, 12:12 am

McCain knows how to get Osama bin Laden!!!

holy shit dude, where the fuck have you been all these years?!?! Why didn't you tell us earlier, we could have gotten him and avoided that BS war...oh yeah, forgot...keep it a secret so you can win the presidency.

Siji · Post by **Siji** » October 8, 2008, 12:26 am

Nick wrote:THAT ONE

That's going to be a talking point for quite awhile. It really shows McCain's true side and his condescending barely ever bare to look at Obama attitude.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » October 8, 2008, 1:14 am

Obama won this one again with cool and even answers. They both repeated many points they made in the first debates which sucked.

McCain is wasting everyone's time. Let me explain.

It starts when McCain will make some vague, half truth comment about Obama. I'll take "Obama turned down a bill to fund our troops" as an example. Obama is then compelled to correct the point by stating that the orginal bill had no withdrawl timeline and was basically a blank check. When the bill was rewriiten to include a timeline, he signed the bill. We can take McCain's other favortie "Obama chose to give Big Oil some huge tax breaks". Once again, Obama is forced to clarify that it's the only big oil bill he has passed becasue it is the only bill that included portions dedicated to alternative energy, while McCain has been giving tax breaks to big oil over his entire career. It goes around and around and detracts from what they should have been talking about. McCain has done this in both debates and I see him continuing in the 3rd. He is simply trying to drive home all his talking points. These are things his staffers tell him may swing the undecided voters. It's contrived and more than a little bit annoying.

Keep the fucking bullshit out of the debate and talk about the issues. Stop muddying the waters.

My idea for a debate would be to place both of them in soundproof booths. Give them the same question, and give them 3 minutes to answer. Your time to answer is cut by 30 seconds everytime you mention your opponent or try pointing out his flaws.

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » October 8, 2008, 2:08 am

Funkmasterr wrote:As soon as the video is posted on youtube then, I'm gonna post it, and I want you to show me specifically where McCain did it before he got tired of Obama doing it and said something.

Jesus christ I've never listened to such blind bullshit lies in my fucking life.

With my trusty stopwatch in hand, I accept your challenge, dipshit.

Each candidate has 2 minutes to answer the question, with a one minute follow-up period for each candidate to follow with the order reversed from the primary question's order.

Question 1 - Obama: 2:03 (+3) McCain: 2:04 (+4)
Follow-up 1 - McCain 1:13 (+13) Obama: 1:10 (+10)
Question 2 - McCain: 2:12 (+12) Obama: 2:32 (+32)
Follow-up 2 - Obama: 0:46 (-14) McCain: 1:05 (+5)
Question 3 - Obama: 1:01 (+1) McCain: 1:40 (+40)
Follow-up 3 - McCain: 1:27 (+27) (at this point, Brokaw cut short McCain's answer and admonished both candidates to mind the clock) Obama: 2:08 (+68).

As you'll note, they both were guilty of violating the agreed upon time limits from the very start. Obama had 100 seconds of time in excess of the limits to McCain's 101 seconds, so they were both pretty bad about it. Obama didn't receive a smackdown from Brokaw, he admonished both candidates to behave, and only after McCain had gone over by 67 seconds during his two consecutive question periods.

Don't let something as trivial as reality get in the way of your ranting stupidity, though.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » October 8, 2008, 2:11 am

All polls of viewers say that Obama won. I agree, but I actually found McCain to be more likable tonight than I have recently.

I was watching it on CNN where they have the little dial insta-reactions, and it was interesting to note that every time a candidate attacked their opponent, the dial testers reacted negatively.

Ultimately, this was a moderate win for Obama that's actually a big win because of the dynamics of the race at this point.

Siji · Post by **Siji** » October 8, 2008, 2:21 am

I got a headache watching it, honestly. Obama seemed somewhat weary and tired. He's ahead, and most likely going to win, but it's definitely taking a lot of work. That said, he was still calm, collected and mostly cool in reaction to a man standing there outright lying about him when that man should/could have been answering questions and explaining why he was the one to choose, instead of the normal republican tactic or explaining why the other guy wasn't the one to choose. People are sick of it. I'm sick of it.

To be fair, there were a few times that I was talking to the TV telling Obama to wrap it up or to answer the question that was asked. (The last question was one for example) He (Obama) certainly wasn't perfect but he was better than McCain, again. It's getting so tedious watching McCain repeat the same lies over and over, even after they've been fact checked repeatedly since he started them. Does he think people are just ignorant? I guess so, it worked for Bush twice.

Oh, and nothing like making new huge financial plans (McCain's buying out bad mortgages) public at a debate. Curious where that money is coming from, and why we as taxpayers are going to finance people's bad decisions for buying houses they kenw they couldn't afford.

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » October 8, 2008, 2:22 am

btw - I'll concede that my time measurements might be off by a second in either direction for each measurement, so there is a margin of error here of a second or three to be considered. That however is not relevant since even when taking that into consideration, they were both pretty damned close to each other on their time mismanagement, which thoroughly disproves Funk's claim that Obama was the only one to abuse the limits until McCain got sick of it and joined in.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 8, 2008, 2:37 am

Xyun wrote:Do you really want the President of the United States to be dictated to by the likes of Tom Brokaw? Pahlease....

Think of it like that lame thing called college. College in no way demonstrates your intelligence over someone else. All it demonstrated to potential employers is that you can force yourself to go through something structured and complete it.

Obama needs to treat these debate rules in the same way. They don't prove anything other than the candidate can follow directions. Just think when/if he has absolute power. He'll be cutting off anyone else who wants to speak. His advisers won't be able to get a word in because Obama can't STFU.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » October 8, 2008, 2:42 am

Xatrei wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:As soon as the video is posted on youtube then, I'm gonna post it, and I want you to show me specifically where McCain did it before he got tired of Obama doing it and said something.

Jesus christ I've never listened to such blind bullshit lies in my fucking life.
With my trusty stopwatch in hand, I accept your challenge, dipshit.

Each candidate has 2 minutes to answer the question, with a one minute follow-up period for each candidate to follow with the order reversed from the primary question's order.

Question 1 - Obama: 2:03 (+3) McCain: 2:04 (+4)
Follow-up 1 - McCain 1:13 (+13) Obama: 1:10 (+10)
Question 2 - McCain: 2:12 (+12) Obama: 2:32 (+32)
Follow-up 2 - Obama: 0:46 (-14) McCain: 1:05 (+5)
Question 3 - Obama: 1:01 (+1) McCain: 1:40 (+40)
Follow-up 3 - McCain: 1:27 (+27) (at this point, Brokaw cut short McCain's answer and admonished both candidates to mind the clock) Obama: 2:08 (+68).

As you'll note, they both were guilty of violating the agreed upon time limits from the very start. Obama had 100 seconds of time in excess of the limits to McCain's 101 seconds, so they were both pretty bad about it. Obama didn't receive a smackdown from Brokaw, he admonished both candidates to behave, and only after McCain had gone over by 67 seconds during his two consecutive question periods.

Don't let something as trivial as reality get in the way of your ranting stupidity, though.

Where did I say anything about time spent answering?

What was pissing me off about Obama was him consistently thinking he got special treatment and could keep making a response after he had his turn to answer the question, even though it was clearly stated in the rules and reiterated to him several times that he was breaking the rules he agreed on.

I guess it's justifiable though, cause McCains just so gosh durn stupid and Ogenius just had to set things straight.

Get over yourself.

Traz-KOE · Post by **Traz-KOE** » October 8, 2008, 2:49 am

Where did I say anything about time spent answering?

What was pissing me off about Obama was him consistently thinking he got special treatment and could keep making a response after he had his turn to answer the question, even though it was clearly stated in the rules and reiterated to him several times that he was breaking the rules he agreed on.

I guess it's justifiable though, cause McCains just so gosh durn stupid and Ogenius just had to set things straight.

Get over yourself.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » October 8, 2008, 2:58 am

Whar did ah say ennythin' about time spent answerin'?

Whut in tarnation was pissin' me off about Obama was him cornsissently reckonin' he got special treatment an' c'd keep makin' a response af'er he had his turn t'answer th' quesshun, even though it was clearly stated in th' rules an' reiterated t'him sevahal times thet he was bustin' th' rules he agreed on, as enny fool kin plainly see.

ah guess it's jestifiable though, cuz McCains jest so gosh durn stoopid an' Ojunius jest had t'set thin's straight.

Git on over yo'seff.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » October 8, 2008, 4:33 am

Where did I say anything about time spent answering?

What was pissing me off about Obama was him consistently THINKING HE GOT SPECIAL TREATMENT and could keep making a response after he had his turn to answer the question, even though it was CLEARLY STATED IN THE RULES and reiterated to him several times that he was breaking the rules!!1!!1! he agreed on.

I guess it's justifiable though, cause McCains just so gosh durn stupid and

[Show]: Ogenius just had to set things straight.

Get over yourself.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » October 8, 2008, 8:21 am

McCain has had 26 years to talk.

Barack Obama won this debate.

Chmee · Post by **Chmee** » October 8, 2008, 9:14 am

I watched about 5 seconds before deciding i had far better things to do.

After looking at some online accounts of it I remain of the firm opinion that I would like two different candidates please.

Kluden · Post by **Kluden** » October 8, 2008, 9:23 am

I got sick of McCain mudslinging the same old lines and Obama having to waste time responding to them rather then these two actually answering questions.

My favorite response of the night is McCain's about "This is america, we can fucken multitask, bitches!" In the history of the USA, I ask, when has congress multitasked on bills? That there is a flat out lie since everyone knows that the only way to work through a set of problems, is to prioritize, and methodically correct deficiencies...being as productive in that process as the law allows. When congress "multitasks" in a bill, its never approved...that goes back to the earmark argument we had to endure for 33% of the debate as well.

It was that one question and the responses by the candidates that showed who knows what to me. It was simple, and probably forgotten by most, but it was the biggest separation the two had on an issue discussed for the time I watched.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » October 8, 2008, 9:23 am

Chmee wrote:I would like two different candidates please.

Me too

Canoe · Post by **Canoe** » October 8, 2008, 9:48 am

Chmee wrote:I watched about 5 seconds before deciding i had far better things to do.

After looking at some online accounts of it I remain of the firm opinion that I would like two different candidates please.

Took the words out of my mouth.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » October 8, 2008, 9:56 am

Of the people that wish for new candidates, who did you guys vote for in the last election?

Fash · Post by **Fash** » October 8, 2008, 9:57 am

I voted present.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » October 8, 2008, 10:13 am

From my perspective it appeared that both candidtates were taking the facts of each others plans out of context and trying to fear monger a bit.

I did like the question about healthcare being a Right, Responsibility, or a Privilege. On this point I had to agree that it is both a Right and a Responsibility. The American people have the Right to affordable healthcare and the government has the Responsibility to make that happen. In my eyes that is the job of the governement, to protect its people.

miir · Post by **miir** » October 8, 2008, 10:16 am

Where it said something about answered expense times?

This he was orinandolo it are of about d'Obama was it constantly thinking he it got the special treatment and could it to be able continuous are to make answered after; endossement had its to answer to the question, despite it was declared clearly in the rules and repeated it diverse times that arrived the rules has accosentito on. I guess it' ; the justifiable is in any way, durn of McCains of thus gosh badly dull cause and d' Ogenius dès they had to fix the right things.

Exceeded you.

Psyloche · Post by **Psyloche** » October 8, 2008, 11:26 am

miir wrote:Where it said something about answered expense times?

This he was orinandolo it are of about d'Obama was it constantly thinking he it got the special treatment and could it to be able continuous are to make answered after; endossement had its to answer to the question, despite it was declared clearly in the rules and repeated it diverse times that arrived the rules has accosentito on. I guess it' ; the justifiable is in any way, durn of McCains of thus gosh badly dull cause and d' Ogenius dès they had to fix the right things.

Exceeded you.

This made my head spin and I had to read who posted this because I thought it was an entirely different person. Then I laughed when I saw who posted it and why.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » October 8, 2008, 11:27 am

Fash wrote:I voted present.

lol

By the way, I'm still waiting for someone to show me where McCain was trying to talk out of turn (again, before he called Obama on it for doing it half a dozen times or more).

Why don't the rules apply to him? Why is he so important? Is this some kind of reparation that he gets?

Keep in mind, just because I'm posing this doesn't mean I'm saying McCain did a great job at the debate or that it was a worthwhile debate at all. It was worthless on both their parts even by the already low standards/expectations I hold for debates. Neither one of them will just shut their fucking yaps about each other and answer a question. Not that this is new, I think I just get more and more sick of it every election.

Still, I want to know why people feel the need to defend Obama when he is obviously being arrogant.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » October 8, 2008, 11:32 am

Obama had to refute the lies that McCain was spewing out of his elderly mouth.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » October 8, 2008, 11:41 am

I don't know who they voted for, but I know that Chmee is a strong libertarian type, and while I could be wrong I believe Aab and Canoe lean in that direction also (correct me if I'm wrong, guys).

No surprise that libertarian-leaning folks are turned off by Barack Obama and a national-greatness style Republican.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » October 8, 2008, 11:43 am

Still, I want to know why people feel the need to defend Obama when he is obviously being arrogant

Because, back in reality, he isn't?

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » October 8, 2008, 11:46 am

Nick wrote:
Still, I want to know why people feel the need to defend Obama when he is obviously being arrogant
Because, back in reality, he isn't?

Ok, rules were made, one of them was that they each got 1 minute to speak, then on to the next question. He continuously started talking again after him and McCain both had their minute (and probably more) to talk, even though it was spelled out to him clearly and he was reminded multiple times that he wasn't supposed to do that.

This says to me that he thought he was important enough that he was above that rule, which was reinforced when he was reminded that he was not supposed to get a chance to respond and continued to do so anyhow.

Now, lets read this:

ar·ro·gant /ˈærəgənt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ar-uh-guhnt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. making claims or pretensions to superior importance or rights; overbearingly assuming; insolently proud: an arrogant public official.
2. characterized by or proceeding from arrogance: arrogant claims.

Not really a matter of opinion, buddy.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » October 8, 2008, 11:56 am

Nick wrote:
Still, I want to know why people feel the need to defend Obama when he is obviously being arrogant
Because, back in reality, he isn't?

Arrogant in this case is Neocon code for "uppity".