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PostPosted: November 29, 2019, 10:54 am 
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My new build is based around a AMD 3950x 16 core CPU that was released on Nov 25th.

I've been with Intel ever since I've built PCs but while they still hold their own for gaming, AMD has passed them in every other way.

I'm ordering up my parts, including a new PC Case for the first time since the Antec 180 I got...what...12-14 or more years ago...I honestly can't remember. Long time!

3950x is extremely hard to find. Sold out in a few minutes on Amazon and whenever one pops up at quite a markup to the $750 suggested retail price, it sells out within a few minutes. Their 12 Core 3900x has also been pretty much sold out the past few months. (AMD stock is up over 300% this year)

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CPU - AMD Ryzen 9 3950X 16-core, 32-thread Unlocked Desktop Processor,- $750 Retail whenever it becomes less scarce (I paid quite a bit more than that)
Cooler - NOCTUA NH-D15 chromax.Black, 140mm Dual-Tower CPU Cooler (Black)
OS Drive - Sabrent 1TB Rocket NVMe 4.0 Gen4 PCIe M.2 Internal SSD Extreme Performance Solid State Drive (SB-ROCKET-NVMe4-1TB)
Memory - G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model F4-3200C14D-32GTZR
Motherboard - MSI Prestige X570 Creation Motherboard (AMD AM4, DDR4, PCIe 4.0, SATA 6Gb/s, M.2, USB 3.2, AX Wi-Fi 6, 10G Super LAN, Extended-ATX)
Case - Corsair CC-9011030-WW Carbide Series Air 540 High Airflow ATX Cube Case - Black

Already have:

Nvidia RTX 2070
CORSAIR RMX Series, RM750x, 750 Watt, 80+ Gold Certified, Fully Modular Power Supply
Craploads of SSDs and HDs

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Build Cost including Graphics/PSU I already had: about $2,600, not including displays, keyboards, mouse, controllers, storage beyond OS drive, etc.

Hoping to get about 4 years out of it with maybe a graphics card upgrade or something before that. I should have everything by next weekend so I can build it!


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PostPosted: November 30, 2019, 2:54 am 
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My current PC is still pretty ok. i7-6700K CPU actually still holds it's own. I decided to buy a few more things, 850W PSU for the new PC so I can leave the 750W in my old pc, a budget graphics card capable of pushing 4K video and playing games on low settings, etc to put in my old PC. I'll keep it as a 2nd PC for now and also, a lot less headache building new PC when you have one that's currently working! When my PC died back in April, it was a major headache getting it up and running without using another PC to research, download, etc stuff. I can take my time with building it now and won't be the end of the world if it's not up and running by the end of next weekend.

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Don't know if Amazon image will link, but I really like that my new motherboard has a ton of USB ports. There's only 2 USB 2.0 then there's x10 USB 3.2 Gen 1, 1x USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type A and 1 Type C. There's also a motherboard connection for USB 3.2 for the front as well, x9 more USB not located on the back panel. Glad that they're all not just 3.0 but 3.2 gen 1/2. Speedy!

Amazingly, it's hard to find any motherboard (expensive or not) that has a lot of USB port (especially the new 3.2 ones).

-wireless keyboard
-wireless mouse
-game controller
-wireless headset
-Oculus Quest (can connect to PC to play normal PC VR games when not wireless)
-external USB SSD drives x3
-external USB SATA x2 HD hot swap dock

There's 9 USB ports taken already for me with 5 or them requiring high speed.

My motherboard is also PCI 4.0 so the M.2 NVMe Gen 4 fast drives work on it which is why I bought that new 1TB NVMe drive listed in the previous post. Intel boards don't have PCI 4 yet. The motherboard can handle 2x m.2 on and also comes with a PCI4 expansion card that allows for 2x more M.2 drives. I suppose I might start buying M.2 drives for storage when they drop a little more. I'm ok with the few normal 2TB SSD drives I already have. The board comes with Wifi 6 and 10G Super Lan. Not sure I'll ever use 10G lan but the Wifi 6 I will with the next generation of phone and other new wifi devices.

My new PC case isn't an expensive or a newer one, but it's roomy!

If not familiar with AMD Ryzen 3950X, here's the press conference: (about 9 minutes)

AMD Ryzen 9 3950X Official Tech Briefing

faster, cheaper and at 2.34 more per watt performance than Intel while running on a cheaper platform. Intel's chips still hold their own for gaming (although less efficient) but get destroyed in anything using more than one core. For pure gaming, you could use the AMD 3700x or a nice in between the two would be the 12 core 3900x. the 3950x I bought is overkill unless you're editing video etc but it will still be noticeable to me when I'm compressing, decompressing, multitasking, etc. I run emulators for Android, etc on three screens, play 4K movies while gaming, etc...I'm sure the also awesome 3900x 12 core would still be plenty but anything that will use multiple cores will be super speedy. The PCIe 4 NVMe is also another nice boost to overall system performance. Hoping I have a little future-proofing in this!


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PostPosted: November 30, 2019, 9:50 pm 
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As you said, more than likely overkill for your usage and the $900 (probably) you spent on the CPU. More cores are only helpful if software takes advantage of them. But hey if you got the money why not spend it? You only live once! Personally if I was primarily gaming I'd just get a 9900K at this point. For myself I couldn't see spending $2600 on a computer.

Sounds like you need to invest in a USB hub (or two). I don't think your USB usage is typical.

As a NAS is on my horizon eventually I do wish my MB had 10Gb LAN. ASUS is slacking in the motherboard department these days for the most part. I've stuck with them for awhile now but for my next upgrade I will seriously consider others.

As far as cannibalizing older PCs during an upgrade goes that's not something I do anymore. The past 3 or 4 I've always gotten a new case because as you said it makes things much easier. I have them running side by side until I have most things running on the new PC and then I shut off the old one. I have it around though in case I ever need it for something.

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PostPosted: December 1, 2019, 4:57 am 
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Aslanna wrote:
As you said, more than likely overkill for your usage and the $900 (probably) you spent on the CPU. More cores are only helpful if software takes advantage of them. But hey if you got the money why not spend it? You only live once! Personally if I was primarily gaming I'd just get a 9900K at this point. For myself I couldn't see spending $2600 on a computer.


16 cores is most definitely overkill but I have the money and I will get a little use out of them and hopefully over the 4-5 years I plan having this build, they'll become used more in games etc. Not proud of it, but I paid more than $900 BTW. I'll immediately get some speed benefits from the PCIe 4 SSD which any Intel board can't match. This is the first PC that I haven't "value" shopped on. Previously it's been "best bang for the buck", now it's whatever performs really well with not much tweaking.

I'm definitely not a fanboi of AMD as I've never even owned one and up until the past year wouldn't have even considered it. Intel is in trouble. AMD's 7nm chips are killing Intel. Intel gave up on 10nm much less 7nm and it will be a few years before they can compete again. I will reserve my thoughts on AMD satisfaction until after I actually build my PC and see how it goes!

Better, faster, cheaper, more efficient. AMD earned my business due to that as well as PCI 4 which Intel boards don't have. A part of me likes to reward companies for not sitting on their asses and instead being innovative. Intel cut their prices in HALF and their chips still cost more and under perform AMD's in most things except gaming where it's close to even now.

Intel is getting a little shady in their practices as well:

Intel’s behavior is PATHETIC – Core i9 10980XE Review

I know we tend to focus on gaming here but the Threadripper CPUs released the day after Intels rehashed chips, destroy them.

AMD can't make product fast enough because so many of their high end CPUs use the 8 core chiplets.

For gaming, it's a tossup as to whether you might go for Intel or AMD. For everything else, AMD.

Intel is STILL using 14nm process because they failed at 10nm while AMD is already at 7nm. Big deal when it comes to power consumption.

Here's a video that further explains Intel's shadiness about their product release, he addresses fanboism as well:

Intel REALLY needs to rethink it's priorities...

He does rip Intel, deservedly so, but also mentions at the end that gaming is ok on the Intels. If you can make it through the part where he rants about the packaging, he makes some good points. (jump to about the 2 minute mark to skip the less important stuff) I don't care for either of the above two youtube personalities but they do demonstrate Intel is kind of fucked right now and are lucky they have the OEM market for the time being.


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PostPosted: December 1, 2019, 8:31 pm 
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The first PC I ever bought with my own money was an AMD 386/40 (with a Cyrix math co-processor.. remember when those were a thing?!) so I'm not against AMD. I even had another during the Athlon years whenever those were. I have nothing against AMD I just prefer Intel these days.

However I am glad AMD is around because it's helping to keep Intel (and NVIDIA) in check because without the competition we'd be way behind where we are now when it comes to price and performance. So I'm all for AMD kicking the competition since it only benefits everyone.

But I have seen reviews and they say if you're mostly gaming then the 3950 doesn't make sense over something like a 9900K. If you're doing media type work then sure spend the extra on the AMD. I'm doing neither so spending $1000 on a CPU would be dumb.

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Aslanna wrote:
However I am glad AMD is around because it's helping to keep Intel (and NVIDIA) in check because without the competition we'd be way behind where we are now when it comes to price and performance. So I'm all for AMD kicking the competition since it only benefits everyone.


Should really be more than glad AMD is around, Intel has been so complacent that AMD blew right by them and now they can't even match performance even with a 50% price drops. The days of just picking Intel because it's Intel are long gone. 4 primary reasons: faster, cheaper, more efficient, PCI 4.

Makes no sense to buy AMD if you just recently purchased a new PC but definitely worth a hard look at AMD the next round. For the time being, at least for the next couple years, they have the better technology. The few FPS difference between Intel and AMD specifically for gaming isn't enough to stick with them when everything else is better with AMD.

Besides Intel having the better CPUs the past 20 years, the other reason to stick with them was compatibility but I think that's pretty much resolved. I'll know soon enough. The reason I didnt update my CPU sooner is that the 6700K still does very well, also meaning Intel hasn't done much since.

Top ten CPUs sold on Cyber Monday on Amazon:

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If Image is too big, there are ZERO Intel CPUs in the top ten. 3900x is 10th because you can't find it in stock, same with the 3950x, otherwise it'd be the top 11 CPUS AMD.

From top to bottom, high performance to budget, AMD is killing it right now while Intel tries to squeeze out a few more MHz with their 14nm process.

That's pretty impressive considering Intel's name brand.


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PostPosted: December 2, 2019, 8:23 pm 
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You go on and on about Intel but not a mention of NVIDIA. NVIDIA is even more evil than Intel imo! The whole reason the Super was released was because AMD embarrassed NVIDIA and their whole fucking RTX lineup.

Regardless, I am all for competition. However there's no AMD CPU I would buy at this time since I just put together a PC a year ago and it's more than functional for my needs. Not everyone, probably even including you, needs 16 cores. But it's good for bragging rights!

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Aslanna wrote:
You go on and on about Intel but not a mention of NVIDIA. NVIDIA is even more evil than Intel imo! The whole reason the Super was released was because AMD embarrassed NVIDIA and their whole fucking RTX lineup.

Regardless, I am all for competition. However there's no AMD CPU I would buy at this time since I just put together a PC a year ago and it's more than functional for my needs. Not everyone, probably even including you, needs 16 cores. But it's good for bragging rights!



I agree on both points. Nvidia is worse than Intel and I definitely don't need 16 cores although I think the 3900x (12 Cores) might be a nice trade off for people that want to spend $500 or less on a CPU.

Well I got my CPU today (I fucking hate having to go the post office to pick up a package) All of my other stuff arrived early yesterday was Amazon Prime. CPU was not prime and got stuck with ass backwards US Postal service delivery.

1. My new build booted up on the first try! Pretty stoked about that!

2. Hardest part was getting the freaking massive Noctua NH-D15 Cooler installed. It's HUGE.

3. Hugeness of the NH-D15 makes me happy I bough the very roomy Cube Corsair case. It's been an awesome case to work in.

Ran into an issue and then solved it.

The Case and Cooler combine for 5 large fans but it was louder than I expected. I checked the bios (which is really nice compared to Asus bios(s) I've been using the past 10 years. Turns out my chipset fan was max speed 5000 RPB and it's a small can compared to the other 5 Fans. The fan isn't even supposed to spin unless under heavy workload. I did a quick search and some other person had the same problem. Turns out the 1 of the 4 pins was bent to the side and so the fan was acting like a 3 pin fan (no speed control) instead of a moderated 4 pin. I pulled of the super small connector and sure enough my 4th pin was smashed to the side. It's so freaking small (way smaller than normal system fan socket) I really couldn't even see the 4th pin, tried magnifying glass, etc, I finally used a pin to dig it out and managed to adjust it so it fit in the 4th hole. Rebooted and fan works as it should, spun up on boot and then stopped. Whew! PC pretty quiet now, although not super quite because designed for high airflow.

Will be awhile before I have the system entirely setup but happy so far.


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PostPosted: December 7, 2019, 2:41 am 
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Update and some comments on AMD 3950X upgrade project.

- smoothest PC guild I've ever experienced

Wi-Fi 6 is all it's cracked up to be. I'm downloading Steam game updates right now at over 900Mbps using Wi-Fi 6 (802.11ax). I don't think I'm going to need to hook my PC up to ethernet.

I bought a NETGEAR Nighthawk AX8 8-Stream WiFi 6 Router (RAX80) - AX6000. It was on sale for $279 through Amazon, original retail was $399. It looks like Kylo Ren's space ship. That Gigabit Wifi to Mobile devices is no joke. I'm consistently getting 980Mbps on my iPhone using my Wi-Fi at home. Didn't even know that was possible. My average download speeds on my PC are around 650-850 Mbps using Wi-Fi 6.

The Netgear Nighthawk has been great for me (for the 2 days I've had it), but it gets it's share of bad reviews. I think routers, more than other PC items, depends more on the intelligence of the end user. To be fair, there has been a few recent firmware updates that fixed a lot of the early issues. Most of the setup and configuration is done on an IOS/Android app.

Transfer of Windows 10 license to my new PC went fairly smoothly. Only issue I ran into was that after removing my license from the old PC, it didn't recognize my Windows 10 Pro Product Key on the new PC. For some reason is still used my Windows 8 Product Key so I'm good to go with Windows 10 Pro. I'll continue to use unlicensed Windows 10 on my old PC which won't get much use, more of a backup type thing.

As for my new PC parts:

-Corsair CC-9011030-WW Carbide Series Air 540 High Airflow ATX Cube Case - Black

I'm extremely happy with this case. The way it's divided with PSU, SSDs, 5.25 bays on one side and Motherboard on the other side makes for a super clean setup, no messy wires on the motherboard side, wide open for great airflow. It's surprisingly quite despite the 3 case fans, 2 fans on the CPU cooler, system fan and GPU fans. System fan doesn't even spin unless heavy workload. CPU fans purr along at a very low rpm, same with the case fans.

-NOCTUA NH-D15 chromax.Black, 140mm Dual-Tower CPU Cooler (Black)

Looks aren't that important, but the all black version of this cooler is OK. I was the most nervous about installing my AMD 3950x and this behemoth cooler but if you take your time, it goes smoothly. I haven't stressed tested anything or decided if I'm going to OC anything but this cooler keeps my CPU at 29-32C. That's really cool.

-Sabrent 1TB Rocket NVMe 4.0 Gen4 PCIe M.2 Internal SSD Extreme Performance Solid State Drive (SB-ROCKET-NVMe4-1TB)
-G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model F4-3200C14D-32GTZR

Not much to say except I've had zero problems with my RAM and PCI4 NVMe SSD. Work perfectly, maybe more to say if I decide to OC anything.

-MSI Prestige X570 Creation Motherboard (AMD AM4, DDR4, PCIe 4.0, SATA 6Gb/s, M.2, USB 3.2, AX Wi-Fi 6, 10G Super LAN, Extended-ATX)

Stupendous. ZERO issues with this motherboard. Everything just works like it's supposed to. OK the smooshed system fan pin was a minor issue, potentially big one if I hadn't found the solution right away. First time ever that everything I plugged into a motherboard worked the first time without troubleshooting. Bios update was easy and smooth. The bios itself has some drag and drop UI in places, seems clean and straight forward. Haven't had to adjust anything at all yet. Will follow up if I OC anything.

-AMD Ryzen 9 3950X 16-core, 32-thread Unlocked Desktop Processor

So far so good. This CPU sleepwalks through the normal things I've thrown at it so far. Going to play around with virtual machines and maybe get a few emulators up and running while playing a power hungry game and see how things go.

I was able to transfer over my Steam and Blizzard game folders (just moved over my game SSD that included those folders) so that saved me probably a half terabyte of downloads. I set up a shared folder with my old PC so I was able to easily send over config/preset, etc for my file manager, game controller, etc etc etc. For future full PC upgrades, it's useful to have things like that on something other than your OS drive.

Some testing later but very satisfied with the new PC and unexpectedly surprised about 802.11 ax (Wi-Fi 6) My old router was slowing me down a bit I think. It was always really hot while this new router runs much cooler. There's also a fan in it that can spin up if needed but I haven't heard it do so.


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