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Leonaerd wrote:While we're being douchey...

Second hand smoke is the nastiest fucking thing in the world.
Your cigarette vomit breath gets into my lungs. Legally.
I'm going to piss into your beer and get insulted when you opt to pour it out.

Zaelath wrote:I'll take 2nd-hand smoke over farts, thanks.

Spang wrote:Smoking cigarettes, electronic or otherwise, is about as dumb as eating animals.

Aabidano wrote:Which makes for stinkier farts though?

Tyek wrote:oh that wacky Spang, he is at it again.

E-cigarettes are at the center of one of the most contentious debates in public health, and a subculture of vapers is flourishing.

A new study out of Johns Hopkins University looks at e-cigarettes' effects on mice, and it finds that exposure to their vapor limited of the mice's immune systems and impaired their lungs' ability to fight off viral and bacterial infections. They also found that the vapor contained harmful molecules known as free radicals.

Winnow wrote:Still not sure why you'd choose either when there are other options like not smoking.

A health watchdog group took legal action against some of the country’s largest e-cigarette manufacturers for failing to properly warn consumers about the risk of such products after tests show that most produce high levels of toxic chemicals.

The Center for Environmental Health conducted tests of 97 e-cigarettes and other “vaping” products from two dozen makers including Imperial Tobacco’s Vuse brand, NJoy, and RJ Reynolds’ blu brand for the report [PDF] titled “A Smoking Gun: Cancer Causing Chemicals in E-cigarettes.”

The report – which the group claims is the first-ever large sampling of actual e-cigarettes and vaping products tested simulating real-world use – found that 50 out of the 97 e-cigarettes tested pose a serious cancer risk.

According to the report, 90% of the companies had at least one product that produced high levels of formaldehyde or acetaldehydeone or both, representing a violation of California safety standards

Funkmasterr wrote: If that's even close to true, they are a much safer alternative,

Funkmasterr wrote:There's a lot wrong with that. I've seen recent studies that have claimed that while they aren't good for you they are something like 90% better than cigarettes.

Aslanna wrote:"One bullet streaking towards your head is much safer than two bullets" -scientific study

Funkmasterr wrote:

Aslanna wrote:"One bullet streaking towards your head is much safer than two bullets" -scientific study

"I have an unfounded, unsubstantiated view on something I'm unfamiliar with, and even though this thing I speak of could help many people break their nicotine addiction, I'm going to put my view out there and help further demonize this thing by spreading my ignorant opinion, just like the media has taught me to do."

- Aslanna

Zaelath wrote:

Funkmasterr wrote:

Aslanna wrote:"One bullet streaking towards your head is much safer than two bullets" -scientific study

"I have an unfounded, unsubstantiated view on something I'm unfamiliar with, and even though this thing I speak of could help many people break their nicotine addiction, I'm going to put my view out there and help further demonize this thing by spreading my ignorant opinion, just like the media has taught me to do."

- Aslanna

I don't buy "this thing I speak of could help many people break their nicotine addiction".

I tried multiple methods, smoked for 25 years, only thing that has had long term success was cold turkey. That's a pattern that's confirmed by research too.

If you wanted to say "vaping nicotine is probably safer than burning tobacco", I don't think there's an argument for that. But as a quit aid? Bullshit.

Funkmasterr wrote:
I don't know, just because it didn't serve that purpose for you doesn't mean it's bullshit. I used it to quit (and no longer use the e-cig, either) and I know several other people that have done so as well. I know that alone doesn't mean much, but just calling it like I see it. I guess at least my opinion on them was based on experience and actually looking into the effects of using them in earnest, and not on bullshit biased pseudoscience articles like others in the thread (not you).

P.S. Good to see you around again, hope all is well.

Some e-cigarette flavors contain chemical linked to 'popcorn lung' disease

By Loren Grush on December 8, 2015 04:54 pm @lorengrush

Some flavored electronic cigarettes may contain a chemical flavoring linked with a severe lung disease. The chemical, diacetyl, was found in over 75 percent of flavored e-cigs and refill liquids tested by Harvard researchers, along with two other compounds that are potentially harmful to human health. The chemicals were found in many sweet-tasting flavors, such as cotton candy, "Fruit Squirts," and cupcake.

Diacetyl is a chemical additive that's sometimes added to foods give them a buttery flavor. Inhaling the substance has been associated with a severe respiratory condition known as bronchiolitis obliterans, in which the tiny airways in the lungs called bronchioles get inflamed and are then obstructed. Bronchiolitis obliterans is also referred to as "popcorn lung," after numerous workers at microwave popcorn plants inhaled the artificial butter flavorings and came down with the disease.

The Harvard researchers looked for the presence of diacetyl in 51 different e-cigarette flavors, as well as two other flavoring chemicals, acetoin, and 2,3-pentanedione. These compounds are often used alongside diacetyl, and may also be hazardous to respiratory health. To single out these chemicals, the researchers put the flavored e-cigarettes into a chamber and drew air out of them for eight seconds a time. The air stream was then analyzed for its chemical components. Of the 51 flavors tested, 47 contained one of the three chemicals the researchers were looking for.

Winnow wrote:

Some e-cigarette flavors contain chemical linked to 'popcorn lung' disease

By Loren Grush on December 8, 2015 04:54 pm @lorengrush

Some flavored electronic cigarettes may contain a chemical flavoring linked with a severe lung disease. The chemical, diacetyl, was found in over 75 percent of flavored e-cigs and refill liquids tested by Harvard researchers, along with two other compounds that are potentially harmful to human health. The chemicals were found in many sweet-tasting flavors, such as cotton candy, "Fruit Squirts," and cupcake.

Diacetyl is a chemical additive that's sometimes added to foods give them a buttery flavor. Inhaling the substance has been associated with a severe respiratory condition known as bronchiolitis obliterans, in which the tiny airways in the lungs called bronchioles get inflamed and are then obstructed. Bronchiolitis obliterans is also referred to as "popcorn lung," after numerous workers at microwave popcorn plants inhaled the artificial butter flavorings and came down with the disease.

The Harvard researchers looked for the presence of diacetyl in 51 different e-cigarette flavors, as well as two other flavoring chemicals, acetoin, and 2,3-pentanedione. These compounds are often used alongside diacetyl, and may also be hazardous to respiratory health. To single out these chemicals, the researchers put the flavored e-cigarettes into a chamber and drew air out of them for eight seconds a time. The air stream was then analyzed for its chemical components. Of the 51 flavors tested, 47 contained one of the three chemicals the researchers were looking for.

I can see why the E-Cig manufacturers wouldn't care much about including disease causing chemicals in their product as their clientele was already smoking cancer sticks so it's not like they care either.

But the study, published in the journal ERJ Open Research, says both e-cigarettes and heated tobacco devices causes the same type of damage to cells seen in people with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), asthma, bronchitis and emphysema who struggle to breathe

Professor Charlotta Pisinger is Chair of the European Respiratory Society’s Tobacco Control Committee and was not involved in the research.

She said: ‘These new heated tobacco devices are marketed as producing 95% lower levels of toxic compounds because the tobacco is heated, not burned. However, the first independent studies have shown that combustion is taking place and toxic and carcinogenic compounds are released, some in lower levels than in conventional cigarette smoke, others in higher levels.

‘A review of the tobacco industry’s own data on these devices has shown that, in rats, there is evidence of lung inflammation, and there is no evidence of improvement in lung inflammation and function in smokers who switch to heated tobacco.’

‘The introduction and vigorous marketing of new devices is very tempting to smokers who want to stop smoking and mistakenly believe they can switch to another harmless tobacco product.

‘It is also opening another avenue for attracting young people to use and become addicted to nicotine. This study adds to evidence that these new devices are not the safe substitute to cigarette smoking they are promoted to be.’